February 01, 2007 -- 02:18 PM EST // View Comments (2530) // Post a Comment

MCCAIN: THINGS WERE GETTING BETTER IN IRAQ BEFORE THEY WERE GETTING WORSE.

Yep, more contradictions and more dissembling on escalation from John McCain. Today McCain grilled General George Casey at a Senate committee hearing, telling him that under his command things had gotten much worse in Iraq:

McCain, R-Ariz., criticized Casey for what he called misjudgments about the prospects for progress toward stabilizing Iraq during his tenure. McCain said he has "strong reservations" about Casey's nomination to become Army chief of staff.

"While I don't in any way question your honor, your patriotism or your service to our country, I do question some of the decisions, the judgments you've made over the past two and a half years," McCain, top Republican on the committee, told Casey. "During that time things have gotten markedly and progressively worse."

Let's review: In order to disparage and heap blame upon General Casey -- who's McCain's number one foil and scapegoat because Casey has questioned the wisdom of McCain's escalation plan -- the good Senator claimed that during the "past two and a half years" of Casey's tenure, "things have gotten markedly and progressively worse."

Wouldn't you know it, but during that same period -- that is, before the midterm elections, and before his Presidential campaign forced him get more serious about blaming the Iraq debacle on pre-escalation troop levels -- he repeatedly suggested something quite different:

CNN, March 30, 2006:

[WOLF] BLITZER: You just came back from Iraq, Senator. Glad you're back safe and sound from there. Your friend and colleague, Senator Chuck Hagel said the other day -- and he's always outspoken, Republican from Nebraska, "I don't think," he said, "Iraq's going to get better. I think it will get worse." You were just there. What do you think?

MCCAIN: May I say that I have great respect and appreciation for Chuck Hagel, who is one of the smartest men in the Senate. I think things are getting better. I think they are progressing. I think that the Iraqi military is improving. I think the Iraqi police training is improving, but much more slowly.

More examples after the jump.


CNN, March 2, 2005 (via Nexis):

MCCAIN: My sense is that General Abizaid, who is one of our finest military leaders, is correct, but I think we have to emphasize that it's a long, hard, difficult struggle. You got a combination of Baathist, criminals, people from outside Iraq, and other disgruntled Sunnis that are going to make life hell for a period of time. But we are showing some progress. Judy, I think the dynamic was changed from insurgents versus U.S. forces to insurgents versus Iraqi government. We win under the latter scenario, but it's going to be long, hard and tough.

[JUDY] WOODRUFF: How do you persuade the American people of that, though? Because you see these terrible incidents day after day and yet the officials and you are saying things are getting better?

MCCAIN: Well, first of all, I would say that the security that we had to be under on this last trip was greater than the first trip that I made to Iraq. I think we can tell the American people that the Iraqi military and police are being trained and they are gradually taking over more of these responsibilities. That the elected government, which was uplifting to all Iraqi people, is reaching out to Sunnis to bring them into the government. And I am optimistic over time.

WOODRUFF: Somebody who was with you in Iraq, Senator Russ Feingold, he came back and said he's very concerned about whether the situation is moving in the right direction. He said it's very much in doubt. How could the two of you have different views?

MCCAIN: Well, we're very close friends, as you know. But I believe that Russ and I just had some different impressions. But I also visited with many of our troops. They are excellent, their morale is good. They believe that they're making progress. As I mentioned, General Abizaid, the marines in Falluja we met with, are convinced that they're making progress there. [Editor's note: Recall that McCain said above that his sense was that Abizaid was "correct."]

And, finally, there's this one, which isn't as good, but still worth noting, from CBS' Face the Nation, on September 24, 2006:

Sen. McCAIN: I think the tactics have been flawed, and that's been well documented and chronicled. We didn't have enough troops over there, the looting shouldn't have taken place, the difficulties in not anticipating the enormous challenges of bringing democracy and stability to a place that has been ruled by an absolute, terrible, repressive dictator for many years. That doesn't mean to me that, therefore, we should then plan on leaving. It means that we should fix the mistakes, it means that we have to make progress.

[JOHN] HARRIS: What's your level of confidence that the administration is doing that, is fixing those mistakes?

Sen. McCAIN: I think we are getting better. I still think we need more troops over there. I notice that, quote, "maintaining troop levels" is basically a troop increase. I worry about neglecting Anbar Province, the real hotbed and base of a lot of this terrorist activity.

But I also believe we are making progress in certain areas. There's parts of Iraq that are very stable, there's significant progress being made in training of the Iraqi army. I guess, John, my answer is two steps forward, one step back, and we should not raise expectations of the American people as to the difficulties of this challenge.


Update: Some commenters have asked whether anyone's compiled a list of McCain's ever ballooning number of flip-flops and self-contradictions. Well, yes -- Steve Benen of The Carpetbagger Report has. It's right here.

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COMMENTS:

what does it take to ask this 'straight talk express' about his unending flip flops on a national interview? did at least someone try to ask him at least one of his flip flops?

Posted by: yugan
Date: February 1, 2007 02:49 PM

Something that one or another observer has alluded to from time to time, but which does not get said often enough, is that neither John McCain nor the administration actually wants Iraq to have a well-armed, well-trained army. An Iraq that is capable of defending itself will also be a powerful ally of Iran, which is the next stop on the Axis of Evil tour, of course. Furthermore, when the war with Iran does begin, that is very likely to annoy SCIRI and Bush's best friend Abdul Aziz Hakim sufficiently that a substantial part of the magnificent Iraqi Army which we are standing up will turn on the American enemy in its midst (as indeed it appears has already happened at times, although we seldom hear the truth about this). Remember that SCIRI was founded in Iran, is close to the Iranian clerical leadership, and that its spiritual mentor, Ayatollah Sistani is -- tah dah -- Iranian. SCIRI is the largest party in Parliament and the dominant faction in the Iraqi Army. In other words, the contradictions in the U.S. situation are simply insuperable.

Posted by: cervantes
Date: February 1, 2007 02:49 PM

The media darling/serious politican/"maverick"
McCain just keeps diggin that hole deeper by the day....

Just when you think he could not lsoe anymore credibility he goes and proves you wrong....

Posted by: lib4
Date: February 1, 2007 02:49 PM

Back in 2004, we had a name for this...I think it was:

flip-flop
flip-flop
flip-flop

right?

Posted by: Hank Essay
Date: February 1, 2007 02:50 PM

Looks like the "Straight Talk Express" has become the "Dissembling Disaster".

Posted by: NCBlueneck
Date: February 1, 2007 02:53 PM

Has mainstream media become so inept that it can't even catch the leading Republican contender committing serial dishonesty? Or is it left to Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart? They seem to be the only ones capable of pointing out that the "Straight Talk Express" has no clothes...and apologies for the tortured mixed metaphor

Posted by: CT Voter
Date: February 1, 2007 03:04 PM

"Has mainstream media become so inept that it can't even catch the leading Republican contender committing serial dishonesty?"

That, my friend, is a feature, not a bug of the MSM. Move along. Nothing to see here. Everything is AOK.

Posted by: nunya
Date: February 1, 2007 03:10 PM

Well, those "blasts from the past" were all on the "Stay the course" note cards, now he's on the "strong leadership" agenda and he needs to establish a stand that is slightly different than his next in line candidate. Anyway, any thinking person dismisses 90% of what most politicians say just out of reflex.

I couldn't agree more with cervantes post. While an attack on Iran is defiantly in the deck, the question of holding Iraq in an allegiance with us is a real problem. Once we are done raping and killing their young, defiling their holy places and destroying their homes and now move on to start murdering their neighbors, what can possibly stop them from joining forces? This is the sort of question, I am convinced, that keeps our "tactical nuclear" options on the table.

Hopefully Bush will be out of office before this begins to bear it's horrible fruit.

Posted by: phil
Date: February 1, 2007 03:11 PM

CT Voter, I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for Jon Stewart to call his great friend McCain to account. Stewart fawns over St. John nearly as much as the MSM does.

Posted by: KCinDC
Date: February 1, 2007 03:27 PM

Gosh, American soldiers are wonderful!!! Airplanes wear out, trucks wear out, even guns wear out. Supplies get depleted, and fuel gets used up. BUT THE AMERICAN SOLDIER JUST SOLDIERS ON, FOR LONGER AND LONGER TOURS, WITH NOBODY TO REPLACE HIM. He only quits when he's (or she's) badly wounded or dead! Quel patriotism!
Ya' see, fightin' in a war is just like having a job- the longer you do it, the better you get at it, and the more skills you pick up which can be valuable in job-seeking at home!
I might add that anybody who endures a couple years combat in Iraq will acquire a rock-solid mental stability which will stand them in good stead in today's noisy, fast-paced society.
So it's obvious, you can all see why even rotating and replacing troops is no more than denying these brave men (and women) the oppurtunities they deserve!
Now you can understand why Bush and McCain never talk about or plead for more Americans to sign up. Why, it would be like pulling the rug right out from under our troops. Sort of like laying someone off just before he(or she- aren't you proud of that, Americans! Female amputees are so sexy) gets his journeymens card, or right before he (or she) is vested in the pension plan.
Look at any study of soldiers- long tours, stop loss and IRR recall makes them more motivated and effective!
Gosh, and I thought the lack of people signing up in sufficient numbers was indicative of a lack of support for the war. How wrong I was! It's just the native genorousity and considerateness of Americans. Far be it from them to deprive our fighting men (and women) of the experiences and oppurtunities which will be of such inestimable benefit to them in the future.
Why, did you know that you never need to cut and file the nails on a prosthetic hand? Those lucky stumpers!

Posted by: Mooser
Date: February 1, 2007 03:27 PM

For some reason -- deadlines, stretched to thin, whatever -- the media can't seem to fact-check their own reports. In the rare case that they do, it's way after the fact and only under great pressure. Yet they blame the bloggers, who are incredible realtime fact-checkers, for their journalistic and commercial woes.

The media would be smarter stop beating them and join up with the bloggers -- let the bloggers fact-check their stories for them. Maybe each reporter should have in his notebook the name and phone number of a friendly blogger to call.

Or maybe the bloggers can hold teach-in for the media.

Posted by: bob
Date: February 1, 2007 03:46 PM

Great stuff. For gosh sakes someone in the national media please collect his flip-flops on an issue -- any issue -- and ask him to explain.

But Hilary's the calculated politician....

Posted by: Todd and in Charge
Date: February 1, 2007 04:01 PM

"CT Voter, I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for Jon Stewart to call his great friend McCain to account. Stewart fawns over St. John nearly as much as the MSM does. Posted by: KCinDC"

Um, KCinDC?

http://lincmad.blogspot.com/2006/04/john-mccain-on-daily-show.html

Fun quotes:

Stewart: Has John McCain's Straight Talk Express been re-routed through Bullshittown? You know who we could ask — Senator John McCain! Senator, what's going on? I heard this crazy story that Senator John McCain is giving the commencement address at Jerry Falwell's university.
...
Stewart: You're not freaking out on us? Are you freaking out on us? Because if you're freaking out and you're going into the crazy base world — are you going into crazy base world?

Posted by: mere mortal
Date: February 1, 2007 04:40 PM

ask and ye shall receive. I've just added an update with a link to a compilation of many of McCain's flip-flops and self-contradictions...

Posted by: Greg
Date: February 1, 2007 05:32 PM

Thanks for the compilation. My favorite line from that piece: "Maybe the various McCains could have a debate...."

The flip-flopping of McCain is recorded for posterity, and will prove to be useful material for campaign ads, no doubt.

Posted by: CT Voter
Date: February 1, 2007 06:25 PM

The entire time he was questioning Casey and bringing up quotes, from things Casey said in the past, to reinforce his disdain for how the general ran the war, I kept thinking, "Oh, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, you shouldn't be so quick to quote, when your own words can be brought back to bite you in your own ass."

Posted by:
Date: February 1, 2007 06:54 PM

Oops, sorry, I forgot to include my name in that last post!

Posted by: Maggie Mae
Date: February 1, 2007 06:55 PM

You almost feel sorry for Casey. Anyone with half a brain knows that he is merely carrying out Bush's policy in Iraq. Most military and one in particular, General Shinsiki, told the Congress more troops were needed going in. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld wanted to do it on the cheap. To bad they didn't send more troops and get a larger coilition of the "willing". But to blame Casey for those egregious error in judment like McCain did today shows you what a straight talker he is.

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