Time to put Broder out to pasture. You've had a good run, ol' fella, enjoy the clover.

indeed. it will never happen, tho...

old dave is waaaaaay past his sell-by date. why just last month he assured one and all that chimpy, er bush, was 'regaining his footing'.

On Sunday, Broder was trotting out the "Wilson said Cheney sent him to Niger" story and was promptly put in his place by David Corn and George Stephanopolis who both, said, and this is my best memory of their actual words, "He didn't say
that." At which point Broder shut up about Wilson's "lies." Either the Dean of DC Correspondents did not know what he was talking about (though it IS his job to know, right?) or he was deliberately spreading tired old misinformation long after the sell-by date. Shameful.On Sunday, Broder was trotting out the "Wilson said Cheney sent him to Niger" story and was promptly put in his place by David Corn and George Stephanopolis who both, said, and this is my best memory of their actual words, "He didn't say that." At which point Broder shut up about Wilson's "lies."

Either the Dean of DC Correspondents did not know what he was talking about (though it IS his job to know, right?) or he was deliberately spreading tired old misinformation long after the sell-by date. Shameful.

So the question arises-- Is he that stupid and ignorant or is he that incompetent? Honestly, does anyone listen to him anymore?

I'm glad that Broder is intellectually consistent and makes the same argument when the Times (or the Post) writes an article about problems in the Democratic party.

Oh wait, he doesn't.

What a hack.

T O T A L journalistic whore if there ever was one. A Novak, a Hannity, for ex, makes no effort to hide their partisanship. This jerk pretends to be some impartial oracle. He would defend Bush if the latter was caught on tape devouring babies.

maxbaer has it right. Put this bozo out to pasture.

From linda:

"So the question arises-- Is he that stupid and ignorant or is he that incompetent?"

...or that Republican?

OK. But isn't it a little hyperbolic on our part to say that Broder was incenced at the "besmirching of the honor" of the GOP? This is one of those "let's make up something to fight about" fights.

maybe you're right, rnb...that perhaps was indulgent, though it wasn't meant literally...and doesn't change the fundamental dishonesty of Broder's column...

Shorter Broder: The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it."

We revoked Mr. Broder's 'No-nonsense Mid-westerner's Diner's Club Card' awhile ago for crap like this, but I'll cut him some slack nust this once. After all, the old coot is just trying to protect his 'Bush-Bounce' prediction. How can Bush bounce up if his party is headed down?

Hey you kids, get off my lawn!!!

And let's not miss Davey's slap at "A great many Democrats I know still have trouble admitting that their candidates lost to George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. They are still mentally counting votes in Florida and Ohio that they are convinced were overlooked."

It's long past time for Davey to retire. He's just trashing the place now and it's not his place to trash.

.

Snore--the usual dusty, soporific, and predictable Broder formula:

1. Some people's conventional wisdom says X.

2. But if you look closer, it might say Y.

3. Only time will tell whether X or Y stands the test of time.

Either the Dean of DC Correspondents did not know what he was talking about (though it IS his job to know, right?)

Silly rabbit! Facts are for kids!

Posted in comments to Broder's column on the WaPo website:

MEMO TO WASHINGTON POST EDITORS: Many of your readers have begun to wonder whether Mr. Broder suffers from some sort of cognitive disorder, perhaps attributable to senility, a stroke or a substance abuse problem. In the wake of the GOP wipeout in the November elections, amid the catastrophe that is the Irar war and the burgeoning scandals at DOJ, despite the nearly-monolithic repudiation of the Surge by the American public, as a Democratic Congress initiates multiple investigations backed by its new subpoena powers, Mr. Broder asserts that *none of the vital facts* that will play in the next election are currently known, and that he has *no idea* what concerns will animate the electorate 18 months from now... If my grandfather made statements like this as to matters that he had been knowledgeable about throughout his adult life... we would probably have a family meeting to discuss whether it is still safe to let him drive a car. Mr. Broder now routinely makes statements so unhinged from reality as to suggest he might have a hard time using a television remote control or operating an ATM machine without help from a geriatric nurse. Do editors at the Washington Post have confidence that Mr. Broder remains sufficiently lucid to be writing a regular column?

Me, I like the trenchant analysis that says that we don't know what is going to happen over the next 18 months (see quote below). Gee, Dave, stipulating that you are correct, then why not just shut the fuck up since it's all just hot air.

"...the only thing we know for certain about the 2008 election is that we know none of the vital facts that will determine its outcome"

"The rush to bury the GOP is as hasty as it is premature...."

The rush is hasty (and premature)? As opposed to a slow, mature rush? That's not just hackery, it's really crappy writing.

aww, c'mon. give davey a break; the election-qualifiers in the times article were farther down in the article. he probably never saw them. nappy-time interrupted his reading.

Oh! for those halcyon days of January 2005 when Bush was being lauded as the one true king of the universe! Political capital was abundant! Expansive, idealistic inaugural speeches didn't have to have any grounding in reality!

Broder might have a point if it were not for the results of the 2006 elections out there for all to see. The Republicans took one of the largest hit in memory in 2006 and both the momentum and issues from that election are firmly in place.

Let's recap for Broders sake.

Democrats won over 6 Republican Senate seats without losing a single seat of there own.

Democrats won over 6 Republican Governorships without losing a single seat of there own.

Democrats won over 30 Republican House seats without losing a single seat of there own.

When is the last time a political party threw a shut-out at the opposition party?

Broder is simply sleepwalking here. Long term, of course the Republicans will bounce back. That bounce back, however, may well not start until about 2014.

"The rush to bury the GOP is as hasty as it is premature...."

The rush is hasty (and premature)? As opposed to a slow, mature rush? That's not just hackery, it's really crappy writing.

Here, here. The writing was as weak as it was lame.

I've been posting challenges to Broder at my [ ]blog for a while now, as well as sending him e-mails pretty regularly.

Some people would be surprised that he hasn't responded to my challenges, others would say that I'm being premature in my expectations.

On the other hand, it could be that Mr. Broder simply doesn't read his mail from the people.

It would be rude and indulgent to think he's just a premature little petty hack too gutless to face his critics, but the jury is still out on that!

Where I live Broder is considered a "liberal" :(

The Shorter Broder has always been:

"I am all for bi-partisanship as long as it doesnt damage the Republican Party."

Times up Dave....

When reading Dean Broder's new incantations of Kumbaya, I always ask myself 'where was he when the Rethugs controlled Congress, and tried to crush the Democrats?' He reeks of hypocrisy.

If I was lennert skinert and asked to comment on Broder's views I'd be compelled to issue the following: "ooh ooh, that smell".

Isn't this the same David Broder that leapt to the nonorable defense of GWBush when he was incredibly rude to Jim Webb about the query of how were things going and Webb replied I would like my son home and Bush retorted, I didn't ask you about the war I asked how you were?

And Broder omitted Bushes' retort all together?

Broder is a duplicious deceitful debris of humanity whose only purpose in like is being a sycophant for the GOP.

I don't remember Broder coming to the defense of the Dems when not to long ago everyone was talking about a "permanent Republican majority that will last for generations".

What enraged Broder so much about this piece? I'd venture it's the statistic he didn't mention:

Asked what was more important to them in a nominee, a commitment to stay in Iraq until the United States succeeds or flexibility about when to withdraw, 58 percent of self-identified Republican primary voters said flexibility versus 39 percent who said a commitment to stay.

Damn, it sucks to be a war profiteer these days.

For Broder, like the GOP its all about the money. If the GOP is percieved as weak or "can't win in 2008", or even "might not win in 2008", the fund raising gravy train is damaged. Big Business has almost exclusively financed GOP candidates in the last two election cycles, a far change from the days of hedging all bets and backing both parties. But business will back who they think will win. They want a seat at the table, and will not risk being shut out by GOP losses. If business starts shifting their support to both parties, and Dems hold their supporters from 2004 and 2006, the GOP will loose the financial edge (and the more disattisfied the electorate, the bigger advantage they will need).

So no wonder Broder went nutso. I'm sure GOP heads all over the country exploded after reading that article.

Hey, I got it. Mr. Broder is an Ent!

"Mustn't be too hasty! mmrumble"

"He would defend Bush if the latter was caught on tape devouring babies."

Look Clinton dveoured babies too. It's a standard practice well within the priveleges of the executive branch. It's also an essential step in the war on terror. If you criticize the president for devouring babies you are giving our troops in Iraq a vote of no confidence.

Broder won a Pulitzer in 1973. That would be almost 35 years ago. Nixon was president. Maybe he gets his information from someone he thinks is Deep Throat.

Who in the everlovin' HELL actually reads or pays any attention to the likes of David Broder??? It continually amazes me that the progressive blogosphere gets its panties twisted in a knot every time it sniffs the air and finds a skunk stinks.

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

Hmm. Let's see.

The Republican president is the least popular since WWII.

The Republican VP is even less popular than the POTUS.

The Democrats took back the Congress last year.

The top Republican in the House, Delay, was indicted and had to resign.

The AG may well have to resign.

Several Republican congressman either have or will have to resign.

The Republican head of the CIA had to resign.

The Republicans led us by force of fraud into the worst strategic disaster in our nation's history.

Only 13% support the Republican president's Iraq policy

Republican presidential candidates are losing in the polls to the hated Hillary Clinton and a black guy.

Etc., etc., etc.

What WOULD a party in trouble look like to David Broder?

Wow, lots of venom at crusty ol' Broder. I'm actually worried he could be right for an unintended, different reason - that the Dems' leadership will keep looking incompetent in trying to engineer the pullout in Iraq. The cowed public may well prefer a "daddy party" centrist (who repudiates the Bush junta) in '08 if Pelosi, Reid and co. don't raise their game a bit and show they can be trusted to manage a world getting a little scarier by the day.

Some good meta-zombie narrative embedded in the comments here:

if Pelosi, Reid and co. don't raise their game a bit and show they can be trusted to manage a world getting a little scarier by the day

First, the Democrats are actually getting things done, legislatively, substantively and politically (unless you don't think that getting rid of Rummy and having Abu Gonzalez on the ropes is much of anything). Additionally, they are providing oversight where there was none for six years and the Iraq issue, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, may take more than two months to 'solve' (and yes, sadly, that has to include some political considerations, unless you think that all the Republicans questioning the war today won't spend the next 40 years refighting it to their party's advantage. In which case, you must have missed the last 40 years). Second, who is making the world a scarier place by the day? The same people who made it scary in the first place -- and he's still in charge for the next two years. So WHY is it so imperative to blame two months of Democratic Congressional control for the problems manifestly created by the party that has been in power (and still retains a great bit of it) since 2000? If you're a liberal, you're every knee-jerk stereotype rolled into one. If you're a conservative, where have you been while your party rolled us into this mess?

Who in the everlovin' HELL actually reads or pays any attention to the likes of David Broder???

The fallacy of the intertubes. WAAAAAAYYYYYY more attention is paid to Broder, in the Beltway and nationwide, than almost anyone online. It's orders of magnitude different. And then there are the ripples: Rush will now cite Broder's column as a reason not to worry -- and smash the Times for no particular reason. And who's Rush? He has 20 million listeners.

The Broder brand represents the 'acceptible' mainstream of discourse has a very large and very influential audience (and by influential, I mean middlebrow and self-styled 'independent'). The best way to counter this mind-numbing pablum is to critique it and even then, as Bob Somerby can attest to, you can do it for about a decade online and STILL people don't really get how this game is played.

Classy of you Greg to change the before-the-jump intro text . . . And I agree, the dihonesty of the Broder piece is clear and worthy of comment.

can it be the Dean's actually a Republican? way deep down in his squishy parts where it really counts?

sadly, there's no denying his royal panty-sniffingness is a tastemaker. best response seems to be that alluded to above: push back in the loudest possible fora. good sign that broder got slapped down on this week for chronic regurgitation of the wilson canard.

Jay B. is absolutely right about Broder's wide influence among self-styled independents and moderates. The narrative is that Broder is absolutely even-handed and can be counted on as an impartial referee. That the narrative is a myth will not come as a surprise to anyone here, but it's important to make that case to the general public by pointing out instances when he is clearly leaning Republican/conservative, as Greg has here.

For a comprehensive debunking of the "Dean Broder" myth, I recommend Eric Alterman's book "What Liberal Media?".

I think Broder is responding to something bigger than the Times story. There's a gathering sense that 2008 is going to be the biggest GOP disaster since the Watergate election of 1974 or maybe even the Johnson/Goldwater landslide. disastrous for the Republicans. That's what I've been posting since last December and it's what I've been hearing from just about every Republican I talk with. It may be that Republicans are even more depressed about their chances after seeing their candidates on display at the CPAC conference and then being embarrassed by Ann Coulter.

What Broder's doing is trying to head off the Landslide08 talk at the pass. But Broder can huff and puff all he wants. There's going to be a Democratic landslide if the war doesn't start going better. But who actually thinks that the war is going to start going better?

Hmmm, anyone else know that David Broder was born on 9/11 in 1929. The year of the Great Depression. I think he may be the devil.

What will animate voters in 2008? It won't be David Broder. At least a fifth of his audience will die before then.

"The rush to bury the GOP is as hasty as it is premature." So says David Broder. Would that be the same David Broder who wrote, 100 days after Bill Clinton took office, that his presidency was "a calamity that reached beyond our borders" and "That this is happening to a man who will remain president for the next 43 months is an international disaster."? That David Broder?

"Isn't this the same David Broder that leapt to the honorable defense of GWBush when he was incredibly rude to Jim Webb ... and Broder omitted Bushes' retort all together?"

I believe that was the equally wankerific George Will.

yes, it was indeed George Will:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/nov/30/george_will_distorts_wapos_own_reporting_to_smear_jim_webb

Yeah, George Will, heh heh. All of those guys have been forced so far off the conservative base by Cheney/Bush that it isn't even funny. They just look insane,

can it be the Dean's actually a Republican? way deep down in his squishy parts where it really counts?

No, he's worse than that: he thinks he owns the place, and so inclines towards others who share the same view.

Broder bought into Karl's "liberal phobia," hype, I mean, what if an African American took control of the Office of the President of the US. Whatever would poor Broder do - grow a beard or commit suicide?

Oh my gosh, the liberals are coming, and just as Klein protested that Broder was "NO" armchair pundit...gosh, so what do you know? Guess who blossom like turd blossom - it's Broder/Rove.

Broder is a true elephant turd in the rough (frankly, I've always known that Broder was simply a partisan cheapshot and cheap hack.

Time to go back on Tim Russert's show and talk about those foul mouth liberal bloggers one more time, just for partisan sack.

Jeebus:

The Times, not normally solicitous of Republicans' feelings, also reported widespread concern among those it interviewed "that their party had drifted from the principles of Ronald Reagan, its most popular figure of the past 50 years."

THERE IS NO SUCH THING A "LIBERAL" PRESS.

And what was Judith Miller but a Bush lackey.

What is Broder really, but a partisan hack.

Broder is simply getting mad when members of the press point out the truth, what the Bush administration has brought about and it has nothing to do with "liberal" but everything to do with name calling, cheap shots and a passionate hatred for the truth of the situation (the press simple let Bush lie to Americans for far too long) thereby Broder, along with other armchair pundits now labels anything they don't agree with as “liberal media”.

Broder is reverberating Ann Coulterism – there was no such thing as a liberal press, and Judith Miller was not a journalist but rather an access loving slut. Broder employs labeling whenever the articles in of press don't simply let the Bush administration and the GOP lie the way Broder likes his press, faux or FOX, blind or partisan.

he polls show that the most Americans find the GOP and Bush rather unpopular and Broder can’t and deal with nor anything but lies, but is the fact in issue.

You call that thundering, Greg?

QUOTE You would have to be a clueless Republican not to be worried. UNQUOTE Thanks for explaining why you*re not worried, Mr. Broder.

By ifthethunderdontgetya | Mar 15, 2007 11:53:10 AM | Request Removal

David Broder is a cocksucker. And not in a good
way.

David Broder: A man who clutches his pearls while he sniffs other people's panties.

Ah me, the ravages of aging.

Perspicacity, the most important cerebral posession of a journalist, is the first to go it seems. Past history and experience is ignored. With Broder it went big time.

If ever there was a time the viability of the republican party was in trouble it is now. If ever there was a time where a party could reasonbly be accused of making this country less safe from terrorism it is now. The goosestepping cacaphony of the republican party in enabling the misfit in the white house to bring this country to its current low standing in the world was stunning.

Congressional oversight was one big joke.

Goose stepping republican party's unwavering support of a misfit who thought the consitution was "just a god damned piece of paper" justly deserves the observation that the republican party is a sick one, and a stunning fascistic danger to our country's democratic form of government.

For Broder in his column to boost the moral of the republican party with such a sick record, is saddening.

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