We need to send Congressman Obey our thanks.

The Washington Post editorial page is a national disgrace. It has been for years and years. Back in the Watergate days, the Post was worthy of respect. Those days are long gone.

Hurray for Dave!

Fred Hiatt is on a mission to turn his editorial domain into the equivalent of the WSJ's: that is, a set of pages divorced from what's reported in the news section.

Obey's not a liberal? You are kidding me.

awesome! thanks for bringing to our attention.

it will be interesting to see if hiatt lashes back (one somehow assumes he will).

Quite amusing. Nice to see it, finally. Maybe we can get Broder called out by name at some point.

Now, speaking as someone who actually gave money to the TPM empire this week: can we finally get a link to Horse's Mouth on the main TPM site? It has links to Election Central, TPM Cafe, and Muckraker (and Mickey Kaus!) -- why not Horse's Mouth, too? Or am I an idiot and somehow missing it?

...and they don't mention how the Republicans have turned into "penny-pinchers", as if they are concerned about the deficit and pork-barrel spending. C'mon Washington Post, at least mention this point.

you can email Congressman Obey here:

http://obey.house.gov/HoR/WI07/Miscellaneous+Information/email+sign+up+form.htm

urgh, my mistake -- that's for WI-7 residents only. still might work though.

Obey has openly opposed the war and the Bush administration at just about every turn. I have no idea where the meme came from that he is not a liberal. He's one of the good guys!

Divorced from the news pages? Would that it were. The funny thing about the WSJ is that for the most part, the news side manages to keep that wall up. I don't think there's ever been such a wall at The Post, going by their typically awful coverage and the fact that they've consigned their few prescient reporters, like Pincus, to the back pages.

Careful! You'll require Howie Klein and firedoglake to re-examine all their favorite assumptions about David Obey the man, his politics, and everything he stands for.

And you know, once those two reach a conclusion about their latest favorite enemy, they really, really hate to go back on that. Because they're never, ever wrong.

But this is great, because David Obey's always been a leading progressive, one prone to tell it like it is.

Hey, Fred, how does that boot feel in your ass?

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Way to go David Obey! That was a remarkable and important speech on several levels. This is about the Iraq War obviously, but it is also helps undermine the "liberal bias" frame that has driven so much of our discourse for so long.

FYI--Obey is far more liberal than you give him credit for. Love your work, but don't mistake his pragmatism for moderation.

the post deserves the criticism. however the "babysitting" comment and patronizing tone toward Iraqis is one of the unfortunately common talking points used to obscure the fact that the US has brought about the destruction of a country.

Watch and Listen to Obey's message and you'll do a Neo "Whoa!" This guy must be a free human from Zion who slipped into the Matrix to try to influence this vote!
SM

What I noted was that Hiatt is concerned about some 20 billions; what his leader spends in Iraq in, what, a week?

Whether it's the Washington Post or any other news media, the fact is that the mainstream media LIED about the evidence for attacking Iraq. Nor can that media say differently.

Millions of Americans smelled the rat and there is no excuse for the American media not to have smelled it also.

Sunday morning talk shows are no different.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ingnorant one to deny it.

Intelligent, accurate, contextual attack! Essential, effective defense; sharp offense. Point out the hypocrisy. The wrong facts, the failure to report on facts, or to give them their proper meaning. Point out the consequences for us all, including the enabling of the lies. Ask why they continue to do it. Make clear what the Dems are FOR.

Be Direct. Omit Needless Words.

See? That wasn't so hard was it? Take notes, Dems. SMACK the lying liars in the mouth; no apologies. In fact, strike the word "apology" and its derivatives from your vocablulary.

I've been waiting a long time to see this in
Congress.

Congressman Obey deserves a big old "attaboy" from us all.

Can I get an Amen?

Where was the WAPO's concern about saving money before we went on a $500 BILLION snipe hunt for nonexistent weapons of mass destruction?

I wish they'd been as skeptical about the fairy tales this administration was telling before we went in there. We don't have the luxury of nitpicking anymore. Iraq is a catastrophe, bin Laden is still on the loose, terrorist attacks are rising, and our army is approaching the breaking point. The most important thing now is getting our troops out of there and back to protecting the US. If it takes a little pork to make the politics work, then so be it.

Talk about penny-wise, pound-foolish.

ALL RIGHT! The Dems have finally found their sea legs. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!!!

Both the Post as well as the NY Times are mere shadows of their former selves.
I can now find whatever news/opinion I need in the blogosphere.

I miss Katherine Graham so much!! We need real journalists with spines. Not too many of those left anymore.

It's really a simple point: actions have consequences.

Way to standup and tell it like it is!

If you're from his district, you can congratulate Obey at http://obey.house.gov/HoR/WI07/Miscellaneous+Information/email+sign+up+form.htm

"The arc of moral universe is long, but it curves toward justice."

Now if we can begin to address the strange notion that we can destroy a country then blame its citizens for not repairing it quickly enough to suit our needs.

Exhilierating. Thanks for posting this.

My whole life, we've been on our heels, and the word "liberal" has been nothing but an insult.

No more.

Leave a message for Fred Hiatthere.

I don't know why anyone subscribes to the WAPO, NYT, or so many MSM behemoths anymore.

Of course investigative journalism needs to be done, and most bloggers don't. But the way I see it there are n potential good, trained, motivated journalists in the world, and potential $ to be made from the news business, and the behemoths have swallowed both the journalists and the $ and precious little useful news comes out the other end.

There has to be a more efficient way.

For example, TPM lost a good writer to ABC. Probably he went for the big bucks, or the ABC brand name or such. TPM was crackign big stories all the while he was here. He was a great contributor. TPM still is breakign big stories. What is he doing now?

There is a real problem with the MSM. It just makes hacks of people. It encourages hackitude and mediocrity.

woo hoo!

you tell em.

oh, wait... is he saying that such important decisions as war declarations (not) get made based on what the WaPo has in the editorial that day?

"i was mislead by Bush and by a newspaper editorial page!"

"note to congressional staff: find a more accurate newspaper editorial page to base votes on. how about the post-intelligencer?"

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Is that what they're calling it these days?

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I like my house a lot but it is in the 8th , just three miles outside of Dave's district....... as soon as I finish this I'm gonna check on how much it would cost to have it moved into the 7th..... Dave is a Wisconsin treasure and Hero!!!!!!!!!!

oh yea?

Josh Marshall could knock this guy out twenty seconds into the first round, hog tie his feet and throw him a mile outside the arena.

so there.

the email works with any zip....
you can add your State/Prov after your city/town

I'll bet they reading them and not minding a temp blip in email from WI

Rep. Obey THANK YOU

My brother-in-law was a Washington Correspondent then he was chief-of-staff for a republican representive and he was not a fan of the Clintons. Right before he died he made the statement that the Washington Post was out to get Clinton. Knowing someone that worked for the Post I ask them if they agreed with that statement. Their only comment was YES.
This was in 1996 several months before the elections. I wonder what he would say now after six years of garbage that the Post, NYT and others have but out.
I just hope the Democrats have the courage to keep up the heat.

Yeah, Obey just got pissed off at some liberal recently -- I do too, all the time, even as I proudly label myself one. But he's definitely an old school liberal Dem.

Between this and the recent Democratic withdrawal from the Fox pit of lies, you can see the relatively newfound influence of smart media criticism and the effects it can have on politicians, if not yet the media itself.

And we all know that The Post wasn't alone in its call to war. Recently, I heard Chris Matthews bemoaning this war and saying "I just wonder who they were listening to in the run-up to the war, because nothing they told us would happen has happened."

And the thought occurred to me: I'll bet they were listening to Hardball and all those other pundit shows, because the people who thought this was was a disaster waiting to happen were not allowed on those shows.

The pundit class deserves what it has sown, but our troops don't.

Thank heaven that Dems are starting to expose the complicity of our not-so-liberal media in the Bushevik agenda.
A compliant press is one step toward fascism.
It CAN happen here. Our civil liberties were flushed down the john with our "Patriot Act" -- for Christ's sake. Ever hear of anything so ironically named?

FDL hates Obey because, among other things, Obey went off on an FDL-fan in a hallway of the Capitol, one who urged him to filibuster a bill in the House. For those who know, this is like telling the pitcher to blitz.

Obey went off on the good-hearted know-nothing, giving him the civics lesson he should have gotten in high school, but with more volume and, frankly, disgust.

Shame the recorders were on. I feel sorry for the little FDL-er.

The Post's responsibility RE Iraq starts in mid-March 1999, when the paper began its endless war against Candidate Gore. Ceci Connolly invented bull-roar about Gore for the next two years, strongly driving the prevailing press narrative (along with the magpies at the NYT). You may recall that this election ended up being decided rather narrowly.

A real conservative would be against the war.

But there are none left.

Eureka, Obey has solved my dilemna. I live in Rep. John Kline's(RetiredUSMC I carried the" football" i.e. nuclear codes for Pres. Regan and a transplanted Texan) district. He is finally having a town meeting for his constituents( he usually has them and I get a notice to attend 2 days after the event, guess I must be on the wrong voting list). We have had a lake cabin in Obey's district for the last 20 yrs. guess I'll just have to move my self permanently to our lake cabin in Obey's district. On second thought, maybe I will stay put and wait it out. Our formally pretty red suburban state senate district went blue. In Minnesota we overwhelming returned our State legislature to blue and our Gov. Tim ( I am McCain's waterboy) Pawlenty won by a slim margin.Minnesotans have long memories and they do not liked to be fooled, take that to mind Norm Coleman. We are watching the votes. The spirit of Wellstone lives.,

A real conservative would be against the war.

But there are none left.

This is deja vu. Finally a congressman is willing to stand up and say what my wife did years ago after that specific editorial, which ended in a decision to stop subscribing. Who does media serve and who do they listen to?

I grew up in the 7th district of Wisconsin that Obey has represented since 1969, and he's always been one of the most honest and straight-forward politicians out there. And he's also not just any Representative, but is Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, and thus wields a huge amount of influence in the House. I think he's #3 in seniority, also. When he speaks, I'll be the rest of the members are listening.

Way to go, Dave!

Isn't part of the problem with the Post the fact that Donald Graham is so weird and dumb? He went to good schools and so forth, so he doesn't seem obviously imbecilic, but then you could say the same about George W. Bush (at times). Question 1: So, tell me, people, does Donald Graham write any of the stupid crap at the Post. I can't believe the Post would be so bad if it wasn't owned by spoiled rich kids like the Grahams who have no conception of what life is like for the vast majority of people, and therefore don't care about a government that helps only the rich in the most fascist way possible. Question 2: But isn't the WSJ the single worst editorial page in the country? When I've read it, it seems to me that their technique is to write an editorial that seems reasonable and balanced, and then they stick the shiv in at the end with a line or two that are completely unjustified, wrong, obscene, strawman-ish, and democrat hating.

So happy to read this.

I wish more Democrats would do this.

The GOP challenges the MSM all the time. And their base cheers.

Dems have a history of defensiveness with the MSM. It is time they aggressively challenged GOP tools like the WP editorial page.

Bravo!

Unbelievable! Yesterday, Obama's pastor called out the New York Times, and today this!

"FDL hates Obey because, among other things,..."

FDL posted the same Obey youtube that has been posted here today. And the FDL blogger and author of that post, Jane Hamsher, praised Obey for what he said about the Washington Post Editorial board. So, I would easily conclude that your assessment that FDL "hates Obey" is bunk.

Obey rules!

The Washington Post today is not even a shadow of the great paper it was when Katherine Graham was the publisher. I had renamed it as Pravda on the Potomac. I canceled my subscription in July 2004 and don't miss it one bit. I do, however, miss the old Washington Post.

And, dare I say that Katherine Graham had balls that Fred Hiatt can only dream of. He is a stenographer and nothing more for the biggest bunch of crooks I have ever seen hold the highest offices of this country. Also, I tend to believe the Bob Woodward who worked with Bernstein died a long time ago; and, the one we see around who still puts out books is actually one of those pod people in The Body Snatchers.

Excuse me for spitting on the dead, but my recollection of Katherine Graham was a newspaper owner who undertook an aggressive campaign to bust the unions at the Washington Post in the mid-70s. The Newspaper Guild--Woodward and Bernstein's union--played a fairly cowardly role, all but encouraging its members to cross the line to keep the paper going. Those who don't care about the union movement may revere her; those who do don't.

I got this link from FDL. They know good work when they see it.

Washington Post reads like the Wall Street Journal. Their news pages are so so. Their editorial page is neocon.

WP editorial page like the WSJ editorial page is willing to distort, smear, lie, to advance a neocon ideology. The only reason to read them is for a good laugh.

Their op-ed page is not much better. Most of their columnists tilt heavily to the right with a few mild centrist/centre left voices for "balance".

I don't know why people subscribe to the WP. They are banrolling dishonest GOP propagandists like George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Jim Hoagland, Anne Applebaum, Bob Novak, Fred Hiatt......................the list goes on and on.

Instead of paying to read these dishonest hacks they can get intellectually honest opinions on the Internet for free.

Goodness, after years of being bullied by the left, the left is finally speaking up lately! It feels better than Silver Oak from Napa Valley!!
Thanks, Rep. Obey. As a fellow Wisconsinite, now in (gulp) Texas, I salute you!

"Isn't part of the problem with the Post the fact that Donald Graham is so weird and dumb?"

This is a common misperception.

WP made a right turn in the 80s under his mother. He has simply moved the paper further to the right. My understanding is that it is for business reasons. WP has all kinds of business interests aligned with GOP policies. It is about the money. It is always about the money.

"The Washington Post today is not even a shadow of the great paper it was when Katherine Graham was the publisher."

Again, this is not true. It was Mrs Graham who moved the paper to the right. Fred Hiatt's editorials are not that different from Meg Greenfield's, who was hired by Mrs Graham.

People are forgetting that WP was very kind to Reagan and Mrs Graham was best friends with Nancy.

WP has been moving to the right since the 80s. Its editorial page is now fully neocon.

The question now becomes what the WP will do: realize what a gang of destructive fucks they have been and are, go on a counter-attack, or continue playing chickenshit, passive-aggressive games against Democrats, both in its features and on its editorial pages. The last, almost certainly. And then the Dems are going to have to start amplifying Obey's long, long overdue message.

I love this! (I guess I'm not alone...;-)

This coming along with Gonzalez-gate and Bushit's public hissy fit over legal congressional actions (the first in quite a while?)

Also,...this guy's name is "Obey"! !!ROFL!!

I'm LATE getting into this....no regret! I'm into strange territory even speaking to the great majority of you. But I do have to ask....Of what significent is passing a bill that can not pass in the Senate, of what does this bill do...besides "stall" passage of a real bill to support OUR troops? It is unfortunate that so many of you have signed on to this bill. Not only is it "wrong", but the 24 Billion dollars of bribes will haunt you in 2008. Be careful of what you wish for, for it will surely come back to eat you up. The AMERICAN people do NOT like to lose, nor will they back losers. Too bad for the receipients of the "bribes." But they don't need the money anyway.
I'll sign off....wishing you all well...But don't forget to consider what "real" America wants. I'll gurantee you...it is NOT surrender.

Swede Nelson

As someone ancient enough to remember the delighted shock that occurred when David Obey won the special election to replace Melvin Laird when he entered the Nixon Cabinet, I have never doubted that he was both a strong progressive voice and a strong opponent of our unjust wars like Vietnam and Iraq. I'm not surprised at his comments, but boy do they make me happy. Go, Melvin!

Just prior to the US invasion, the WashPost went after Scott Ritter--using Victoria Toensing.

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Yes Pol let's send our thanks. Maybe the best way is to contribute to A Lot of People for Dave Obey • P.O. Box 1322 • Wausau, WI, 54403 • 715-849-2534
http://www.daveobeyforcongress.com/ no ?

I gave $10.00 (it's the thought that counts).

I also e-mailed him here http://tinyurl.com/b9kxy.
He demanded my 9 digit zip code !
There must be a better way no ?

Go Obey! I am your bitch!

Kitt @ 04:19 PM
"FDL posted the same Obey youtube...And.. Jane Hamsher, praised Obey for what he said about the Washington Post,"

No she didn't. She pointedly didn't. There are no words of praise in her text. She wrote "more like this, please." She wrote, "move over, Atrios." But in no way did she explicitly praise Dave Obey. Not implicitly, really, either.

FDL ALSO posted the video of Obey being accosted by Tina Richards. And laid into him good, as though he were Joe Lieberman. Rather than the antithesis.

Snap judgments made from a position of ignorance just aren't going to win any arguments--let alone allies.

This is hardly the first speech in which Obey takes Bush, the Repubs, or the press to task. What kind of self- or political-awareness could Hamsher and Klein have? I've known who Chris Shays & Hoekstra & Porter Goss are--AND know their politics. So where has fdl been? Just b/c they hadn't heard of him doesn't mean he's an enemy. Obey's a fierce, passionate, and righteous guy. And NONE of them dared ambush Lieberman in the halls of Congress. Must be ok for Obey, though.

And IT IS THE Point that Klein & FDL knew nothing about Obey, the man, his history, or his politics--before slamming him. And Howie Klein DID consciously slime Dave Obey, and lied to do it. They did no research.

"So, I would easily conclude that your assessment that FDL "hates Obey" is bunk."

You'd easily be wrong. They may have been supplied with human charity, in the form of a clue, and revised their position. But far be it from them to acknowledge their mistake.

Same pattern with Matt Cooper: he's a friend, now; he thinks Jack Black will play him in the movie--see, he's funny! So committing precisely the same egregious lies and journalistic frauds perpetrated by Judith Miller don't matter to fdl. Cooper was and is Rove's poodle. Had it not been for Patrick Fitzgerald, he still would be.

Write or call a single media outlet every day and express distaste about one piece of happy horse hockey from a right wingnut.

Ask your friends to do it also.

Cancel a subscription or twelve over a steamy pile of propoganga. Heck, sign up for WSJ or the Washington Post - Check the bill me box - pick an article or op-ed - express displeasure and cancel the rag. Pocket-books are prime in modern day press.

Within a year or so the universe will shift. That's what the wingers did - It is time to take the press back.

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Reagan chased off the true conservatives in the GOP and replaced them with bible-toting hypocrites with drug habits and gay prostitute arrangements.

News flash, it's not those who are against the Iraq War who are the extremists. The neocons need to read some history and the Art of War.

I love this guy. Can we clone him so that he can represent all 50 states?

About time! I can actually remember when the Post was part of the watchdog media instead of the Beltway Poodle. Thumbs up to Rep. Obey.

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