The BG's "killer" editorial was being too kind, IMO.
"the votes are an extraordinary challenge": an unequivocal rebuke
"misguided strategies and bungled efforts on the ground": major f(_)ck ups
"increasingly isolated": completely out of touch with reality

yeah, maybe...dunno, I took "extraordinary challenge" as a positive...and I find the point that the real history-maker here is bush's fuckups to be key...but maybe my bar is way too low at this point

Well it must be the wing nuts talking and voting.

Let me see I am a Liberal... I will add all kind of extra money not related to the war, in a bill that will fund our troops in Iraq.

Then I will blame Bush when he veto’s it.

When will liberals grow BALLS?

Put the Iraq War funding to a vote only. Nothing else! Nothing Extra!

Then let everyone’s vote be counted and Bush won't have to veto it.

No... the asshole Liberals can only get the votes they need if they put enough extra money in to payoff the Senators and Congressional Reps who otherwise would vote against it.

Oh and who ever heard of a timetable to end a war? Oh yea they had one in 1918. Then they waited until the next generation could finish it in 1945.

If we are so divided on this issue, why don't a few of you Liberal go over and talk to the enemy?

Maybe you could make them feel better. Make them some tea and get your fucking heads cut off.

Now a happier note:

Hey LIBS Where is your outrage about your own corrupt darling Diane Feinstein?

Dianne Feinstein is a Democrat and she is corrupt. She is as corrupt as Liberals believe Halliburton and Dick Cheney is.

As chairperson and ranking member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee (MILCON) from 2001 through the end of 2005, Feinstein supervised the appropriation of billions of dollars a year for specific military construction projects. Two defense contractors whose interests were largely controlled by her husband, financier Richard C. Blum, benefited from decisions made by Feinstein as leader of this powerful subcommittee. Blum was a majority owner of both URS Corp. and Perini Corp.

Does that mean she was in control of the money for Walter Reed Army hospital? Oh my she must have missed that her husbands company was inept.

Now I get it, its only bad when Republicans are bad. Liberals get a free pass.

Now, let's hope Bush continues to be stubborn (almost a certainty) and pushes congress to another historic impeachment of both pres and VP in one happy sweep. Later they can both be sent to the Hague.

hey phil -- or maybe they can be sent to Elba...

Steve? Just a heads-up here.. You're out of touch if you think Feinstein is the only corrupt public offical. And you're right. There was in fact a time table to END the "great war", which prolonged the fighting many days after Germany realized they couldn't win, but they'd only agree to surrender on 11/11/17 at 11:11 or some *#$) like that. We broke them so badly they eventually grew to deeply resent us because of our food blockades and the resulting famine, not to mention the gigantic debt they owed us and the other allies. But that's neither here nor there. Maybe you just don't like the bright light of accountabilty shinning into that cavernous neocon cave, but the stentch outside is too much for any citizen in this country to take.

How can shrub be wrong? He's got god talking in one ear and the devil(Cheney) in the other. One of them HAS to be right

Learn your history Darling.

An Armistice is not a peace treaty and the treaty of Versailles was negotiated way after the armistice, which was a plan for disaster in the future.

Like all Libs you need to find a way to blame the USA for everything, including Hitler and all that he did?

By the way the USA forgave Germany of all of its debt after WW 1. We never blockaded Germany you ignorant dolt. We sent them food. The Germans fell into financial chaos due to rampant inflation from the collapse of the mark against other world currencies.

The Germans could not afford food due to the inflation. They needed to bring wheelbarrows full of money just to buy a loaf of bread.

We even wanted our allies to reduce their war reparations against Germany and create a fair and just organization called the League of Nations to make nations accountable for their actions.

Unfortunately The League of Nations failed due the US Senate refusing to ratify our membership in it. The Senate of Democratic President Wilson abandoned him when he needed them. He may have been one of the greatest Democrats in the history of a failing political party. Now that’s some history to make a Lib proud.

Six million dead Jews, and over 50 million dead in Europe, yet the enlightened Democrats would not ratify our membership in an International body that could have prevented WW 2.

I get a kick out of Deems and Libs considering themselves enlightened and progressive. You do not own the moral high ground. In fact I cannot believe how racist and elitist Dems have actually are

I have a skylight in my earth cave. Do you have one in your BMW SUV? You just love to pay for terrorism. Twice.

I didn't say that Diane Feinstein is the only crooked Democrat. There are plenty more if the Republicans have the Balls to ferret them out.

I know how fond Dems are for witch hunts and obstruction of government. Just watch them hang our troops out to dry. But hey you all hate the military anyway.

As for accountability, how about that Diane Feinstein getting her hubby all of those contracts. Can't swallow your own poison can ya?

Yes there are crooked Republicans but why is it shouted when it’s a Republican and whispered when it’s a Democrat.

She is a liar and a crook just like the not covert CIA bitch Plame and her lying bastard husband Wilson. She got him a job too...

Why can't libs concentrate on your own ideas? Or is your only original idea impeaching Bush and Cheney?

What is the Democrats plans for world peace? Tea and cookies with Osama?

I just wish you had moved to another country like you promised if Bush was re-elected. Yet another DEM lie.

When Democrats want to stop playing GOTCHA maybe our government will function like it is supposed to.

Maybe we can get something done then.

Hey aren't you Libs pissed off by all of the Senators and House Reps running around doing fund raising to run for President. All the while we the people still pay them to do their job. I know having only one working Senator in NY is a great thing. One less Lib.

Love ya Darling

sigh, there goes the neighborhood.

always, i ask myself, how did idiots like steve learn to type?

more seriously, greg, i think nffcnnr is being too hard, myself. we can't expect an editorial page for a major newspaper to be written like a blog; by editorial page standards, that was a very tough editorial by the globe.

yeah, that was my sense, too, howard...that struck me as going out on a limb for them...

I would like to reply to what Steve said:

"When Democrats want to stop playing GOTCHA maybe our government will function like it is supposed to.

Maybe we can get something done then."

Oh, but Bush & friends did get lots of stuff done. Helped increase the gap between rich and poor with mega tax breaks for the wealthy. Tried to dismantle a system that keeps old people from sleeping on the street. Used 9/11 to expand executive powers. And started a war of choice based on lies and without actual support for the troops in terms of numbers, protective gear, or health services. For once, I've got to root for the beaurocracy. In this case, less is more.

Fucj Yopu Howard if u cant read my tynping.

Hey T, You are so right bush did get a lot done. He would have done even more like take away the social security money from the congress and make them spend only the money they had.

Then us citizens would have Social Security money to look forward to in the future.

If congress had to pay for everything they vote into law there would be a whole lot less spending.

You do realize that the money congress spends comes from the general fund, including all of the social security taxes collected from last week’s paychecks.

And do you want to pay more taxes assuming you are middle class or poor.

If I work hard all week to make a $1 I sure as hell don't want the government taking 60% of it away from me. If I make a million dollars I would feel the same way. So what’s the big deal about how much you make. This is America the land of opportunity, where people can earn as much as possible. There shouldn’t be a penalty for success.

My father in law was a town supervisor for 10 years and he told me, the Federal, State, and County mandated 90% of the towns spending. He had control over 5% for DPW, Fire and Police. You can't cut that. The rest was for the little things like libraries, senior citizen programs, and recreation department, meals on wheels and other little services that make living in the town nice.

We have to get together and cut spending in this country. And I don't care if it’s a Republican or A Democrat they are addicted to spending, like the country is addicted to oil.

We have to stop Name Calling and playing GOTCHA. What do you really have against W? The man wants to make our country safe. He wants a vibrant thriving economy for us. He wants opportunity for everyone.

If I had a complaint, it is that he fails to communicate what he is doing and why. Before the Liberal attack dogs can twist it around.

Just like the firing of the 8 federal attorneys.

They were serving in a position that is a political patronage position, (Clinton Appointees) and they serve at the pleasure of the President. They were not performing up to the Presidents standards. So they have to go.

What if there was a Liberal President and 8 conservative judges from a previous administration who would not prosecute hate crimes against a minority? You know he would have to fire them.

I just don't understand what liberals think about. Do they want chaos?

Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, or Bush 1 should have gone into the Middle East and cleaned out the Islamic Fascists. They are a menace to world peace that cannot be reasoned with. War and Jihad is all they understand. Where are the voices of the good Islamic people?

Oh and by the way if you talk to Rosie let her know that Gulf of Tonkin incident was caused by and during a Democratic President, Senate, and House. We had to have Richard Nixon fix that one for you. I didn’t really care for him, the man scared me like Bush scares you.

Most of the wars this country has fought started when a Democrat was President. Except Lincoln, he started the Civil war on a pretense about slaves working in the south.

Lastly I have to say I have enjoyed our conversations. My typing and grammar included.

Here is something a Conservative believes in:

1 Make the Middle East irrelevant.

2 Grow our own fuel for our cars (ethanol)

3 Americans will make that fuel, as it cannot be
pumped great distances like gas or diesel,
and hopefully Exoxn Mobil can be cut out of it.

4 Stop trying to take on responsibility for all of
the worlds problems.

5 No more un-funded mandates or laws. If you vote
for it you have to fund it. Like the border
fence

6 Build energy independence with solar and wind power.
power. Funny thing here in NY. No one likes our
extremely high priced electric. (Lots of Lib Taxes
added onto the already to high natural price)

7 Demand accountability from all of our elected
officials with no partisan political agenda.
This one is impossible I know, But in Utopia
maybe.

But it seems no one wants to have to see a windmill in his or her back yard. At least 4 local towns were going to have wind projects near me, all 4 have meet extreme opposition not from conservatives but the tree huggers. They feel it will detract from the natural beauty of the environment.

Hog wash. Nothing is prettier than a barrel of crude not purchased from an Islamic terrorist country. Let them drink oil, and lets face it friends we are all infidels in their book. All we are good for is our money to buy their crude oil and then to buy bombs from to kill us.

I hope you have loosened up your bow ties now and can see the light. It’s not Bush, it’s the system, and we are a part of that system.

Gotta go for few days friends I am still working on that first million of which I will see 400k of I am lucky.

Liberals weak on defense the cut and run party.
Fact Check

FDR--WWII
Truman-WWII
Truman-Korean War
LBJ-Vietnam War

NIXON/FORD cut army troops by 41%

CARTER increased military spending by 50% in four years.
His last budget proposed a 5% "real" dollar increase each year for five years.

Reagan said he would not let Carter be known as Defense President so put in big time spending
in first term. In second term he cut spending in real dollars and cut number of troops.

Clinton spent 281 Billion per year and Reagan 249 Billion in current dollars.

Clinton sent our young men into combat and all(100%) came home.

Which party would you prefer to control your military and it's dollars?

clarence swinney
political research historian of Reagan-Clinton-Bush II administrations since 1991
president-Retired-Lifeaholics of America
burlington nc
cwswinney@netzero.net

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Funny how all those Democrats were in power when wars began. Don't forget Woodrow Wilson he was a Democrat too when WW I started. But maybe he didn't increase the defense spending.

Maybe its the presumption of weakness that our enemies see in Democrats no mater how much they increase defense spending.

I heard the Democratic debate last night and all of the candidates preached their anti war stance.

Well since no one could come up with a rebuttal to my previous post. Except for proof of the gratuitous defense spending of Democratic Presidents, I bet that would play well with the Liberal Party faithful.

Let me ask you all this.

How do you fight an enemy who hates Democracy and openly speaks about nuking Israel and the US?

By the way how much is the Democratic Party paying Tim Russert? He should be disqualified as a member of the press and designated a lobbyist for the Democratic Party.

He is the Anti Rush Limbaugh. If you had him on air America it might not have needed to steal money from the Boys Clubs of America.

Why he is so openly anti Bush he said that all of the candidates proved that they had defeated President Bush's war policy.

Good job guys! Keep on fighting Bush while you are running for President, not against Bush.

That’s ok, while the Democrats continue to run against Bush, we will all be voting for the next President of America. His name is Rudy!

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