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Washington Compared to Weimar


Perhaps it is another example of what can happen to someone who has been disabled for too long but I do a lot of things to stave off boredom. One of these things is to reread a lot of good books. Therefore, I have a habit of rereading William Shirer's classic, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, once a year or so. Don't worry about this becoming a comparison between Bush and Hitler. I haven't even reached the part of the book where Hitler takes office. I've been reading about the Weimar Republic and it looks awfully familiar to me.

People have been known to state that Hitler was inevitable. When the unpopular Weimar Republic was faced with a world wide depression, some dictator had to rise and take power. Serious historians never buy into inevitability arguments but I wonder if there isn't something to be found here.

Just as in Washington today, Berlin was run by a peculiar type of politician. These politicians hated the Republic that they served and sought to either twist it or overthrow it. Organized violence was used by former military officers to counter the liberal government that the people wanted. After the liberals were cowed by violence, that majority of politicians who wanted to make the government work never dared cross the conservatives again. Therefore, the conservatives ran the Weimar Republic no matter what the political breakdown in the Reichstag suggested.

Our government in Washington did not result from an army that fought in the streets to chase off a liberal Congress. On the other hand, conservative institutions including certain churches and the organized gun lobby threw money at Congress until it reflected their views. Those who claimed to hate government were chosen to participate in it by voters who were overwhelmed with disinformation.

Both today's Washington and the Weimar Republic ignored debt and its economic impact. In Germany, a massive amount of new currency was printed to pay on these debts. The common people saw their savings become worthless literally overnight. No business could take place when no one knew what the money they had would be worth tomorrow so all sorts of essentials were hoarded and those common people suffered. This avoided taxing the conservatives who would have overthrown the regime. At the same time, it made it almost certain that the regime would fail eventually as those common people lost faith in it. Therefore, the only people with a stake in the Republic's success were turned against it.

The United States has not turned to massive inflation to keep conservatives happy. Washington has what appears to be an unlimited power to borrow and spend. This keeps the conservative backers of this government happy with artificially low taxes and high subsidies. The common people suffer through poor health care and disappearing jobs. Just as seriously, government is not there to take care of the various crises that take place. Since government exists for the rich to get richer, incompetence becomes institutionalized. Thousands died and suffered when Hurricane Katrina hit because the government did not do its supposed job. Those suffering poor and middle class people lost a lot of faith in government.

Do I believe that Bush can be compared to Hitler effectively? No. Bush has caused hundreds of thousands to suffer but Hitler killed millions by direct action. On the other hand, Hitler told everyone what his plans were while Bush pretended to be compassionate. Bush and Hitler have too little in common for a fair comparison.

My fear is that there is a chance of an American Hitler rising eventually. Washington's ability to borrow is not infinite. If we do not restore sane taxation and find a peace dividend of a sort soon, that debt will be devastating. Our household debt is already a massive problem but those human costs could take place on a governmental scale.

If a hurricane that hit hundreds of miles away could shake this writer's faith in our system, imagine what an almost total lack of government could do. We could end up with a dictator who would make Bush's assault on liberty seem pleasant.

For now, it seems that a Democratic Congress with a Democratic President could still fix matters. President Clinton's policies left us with a surplus to be squandered. Unfortunately, Bush and his fellow thieves are inflicting even greater damage than Reagan or Bush's father. It won't be easy to fix and that pain could make people resent government even more.

We need to stop government kleptomania at our very next opportunity. We need a Democratic Congress to investigate the problem and see how it can be fixed. We need a Democratic President to lead the repair efforts. We need a Democratic people to enforce these efforts, to back them and to prevent this from ever happening again.


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Didn't they use the hyper inflation as a kind of back door way to reduce the draconian reparations imposed at Versailles?

One thing that disturbs me is that the methods of mind control are several orders of magnitude more sophisticated and effective today than they were then. PBS had a documentary based around Nazi propoganda minister Geoebels (sp) diary. They show him making speeches that, to my ears seem totally frank and sincere compared to Bush's upside down rhetoric. He tells a hall of people something like "A great nation needs great propoganda." Imagine Rove making a speech like that!

Just today on NPR Denny Hastert asserted that to withdraw from Iraq is to lose freedom in the US. In fact Hastert's the one responsible for helping Bush play dictator - he's blown off oversight completely! They pass a tax cut for the wealthiest and literally label it the "jobs creation bill." I mean Jesus Christ - what the hell is that? Oh and a bill to allow more coal/mercury emissions? It's called "Blue Skies." When they pass a law restricting right of movement they'll call it the "Travel Freedom" act.

The level of Orwellian double-speak in the US now is likely greater than in Nazi Germany.

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Didn't they (Germany) use the hyper inflation as a kind of back door way to reduce the draconian reparations imposed at Versailles?

Doubtful; reparations weren't payable in marks.

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According to Shirer, the penalty was imposed as 132 billion gold marks. The hyperinflation may have been more of an attempt to get out of paying war debts. In WWI Germany, the tax rates for the rich were kept low. Therefore, the war was funded by debt.

Hopefully, you can see the comparison I'm making here. We're trying to get out of taxing the rich through deficit spending. The Weimar Republic did the same thing. We helped them make the attempt through the Dawes Plan. That loaned Germany money to make reparations payments. It collapsed due to the Great Depression.

If China decided to stop loaning us money or suffered an economic setback that prevented them from doing so, this nation could collapse. The first time we went through a Great Depression, we changed the party in power. Most other nations changed forms of government or failed to act because they knew their forms of Republic would fall.

One can only hope that we Democrats can vote some people into office who are, at least, interested in fixing the problem.


John
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Assuming that the treaty called for reparations to be paid in gold marks and that Shirer wasn't just converting the reparation obligation into German currency for ease of comparison with other German economic statistics (for example, national product, trade and investment balances, etc.), it may be noted, still, that a "gold mark" is, by definition, convertible into gold and thus, not unilaterally depreciable.

I do agree with your view that von Hindenberg and Ludendorff refused to raise taxes to pay for the war; they expected to win it and to charge France and England for the war's costs. But the hyperinflation which caught up finally with the German middle class in the '20s and presented it, justly, with the war's overdue bill was not an intentional plan. Printing marks month after month to pay the wages of the striking coal miners in the Saar was enough to do it.

 

 

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I can't believe it but I lost another reply. This one wasn't quite as long so I'll try to sum it up quickly.

  • I do not believe that the Weimar Republic allowed the hyperinflation to develop in order to pay reparations. As Ellen mentioned, the language in the treaty was a total of 132 billion gold Reichsmarks with certain payments in kind accepted. If the French had been foolish enough to allow a devaluation loophole, they wouldn't have had the legal authority to occupy the Ruhr.
  • Ellen, weren't you among our resident conservatives at some point in the past? I'm just asking and not trying to score points. After all, I admire people who can change their minds.

John
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Conservative? Never; I'm a yellow dog Democrat -- but a skeptical one.

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I was just foolish enough to lose an extended response to your comment. In short, I suggested that Weimar is a better comparison to Republican misdeeds than Hitler. Weimar and Washington will both do anything to avoid taxing the rich to pay their debts. Goebbels was just one of many right wing propagandists in that era.

Despite all the problems of the Weimar Republic, it could have survived had the people not been so misinformed and disillusioned. Therefore, I'm most scared of the conservative mission to make our government fail while blaming liberals. That could allow a dictator who has the skill to manipulate the masses and the backing of the rich elites to take over. Liberals would probably end up being the murdered scapegoat.


John
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