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Mukasey Interview on Lehrer


They should have Lehrer question nominees for positions in the administration before they take office. Lehrer gave Mukasey a thorough going over, in what was a refreshing return to form for the news program, from the recent campaign grind. 
Of course, such interesting and important news comes at a cost, the cost of America's innocence and naiveté regarding our judicial system. 
Mukasey was explicit and deliberate in his answers, the most interesting of which elucidated the legality of waterboarding. According to Mukasey, right now, waterboarding is neither legal nor illegal, because it's use  has not been requested by intelligence gatherers. According to Mukasey, he and his subordinates will decide whether or not waterboarding is illegal, when they are asked permission to use it. 
The debate on all this is heating up because 6 gitmo detainees, including Kalid Sheik Muhammed, are being brought to trial. Kalid was waterboarded, and the evidence gathered from that torture might be admissible in court. If the presiding judge, Susan Crawford, thinks it's torture, it won't be admissible. If she doesn't think waterboarding is torture, the evidence will be admissible. In general, the standards for evidence are much lower than in civilian trials, based essentially on a test of "reliability" issued by the tribunal of judges.  
Mukasey looked and sounded like he was operating independently from the White House, but I don't take much comfort in that. If Mukasey is independently coming to these conclusions I worry they will only be that much more difficult to unravel under a new administration. 
Did anyone else see the interview? I'd love to know what the lawyer readers thought. 

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I watched the interview and listened to it on the radio. It seemed that Lehrer was covering bases the way a defense lawyer would- asking only the questions necessary to refute some fact established by the prosecution.

If he would have wanted to ask the tough question, it would have been about the tapes. As long as there is no real "proof" of what Sheik-yer-booti was asked and answered while he was drowning, any of the "hearsay" evidence contained in the filing can be a valid charge. Any of his "testimony" can be used against him (and probably is) and none can be used to support the claims of torture.

Oh, wait. I forgot. They have a DOJ sanctioned transcript of his drowning sessions. Silly me. That should be good enough for us.

Nevermind.

Alphonse (Al) Kada

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I think you're right, Lehrer never asked that tough question. Had he, I'm sure Mukasey would have ignored it, don't you think?

And yer darn right that transcript should be good enough for us, it's good enough for them!

Yikes.

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I thought the answer to the question, "are you independent enough?" was interesting.

"I'm as independent as I need to be."

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"I'm as honest as I need to be."

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I agree that Lehrer asked tough questions.With Mukasey mostly demonstrating his impressive legal skills with his very restricted answers.

At one point , however, I felt he succesfully dodged and got away with it. As I recall Lehrer returned to water boarding in the context of the just announced trial of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. Intending to raise , I thought , the implicit question of whether that was going to taint the trial.

Mukasey responded by saying that the interrogators were protected because they were operating under authority of a Justice Department opinion . And then , quite unlike his other answers he expanded on why such opinions must be respected.

Which I thought was running out the clock . Successfully since when he ended Lehrer never returned to the possible effect upon the trial.

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Important point. The interrogations will certainly taint the trial, at least in the public eye. That Mukasey dodged is no surprise, it's too bad Lehrer didn't press him on it. Thanks for pointing that out.

"According to Mukasey, he and his subordinates will decide whether or not waterboarding is illegal, when they are asked permission to use it."

This is fascinating. Does that mean that if I want to park in front of a fire hydrant, it will only be decided if parking there is illegal when I ask permission to park there?

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Yes. And, permission granted.

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