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Bent double, like old beggars under sacks...knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge


A race, at least in the notional sense, is a competition of speed.  There’s usually a finish line somewhere, and the principle objective for everyone involved is to try and reach that point ahead of all other runners.  Get to the end of the line, get the gold, get the Gatorade endorsement, get the girl/groupie, and so on.

For a while, the Democratic Primaries were fundamentally following the essentials of this race metaphor. Hill and Barry were stumping from state to state, racking up votes and delegates, campaigning in an exciting realm of infinite possibility.  Back then, Hillary was running under inevitability, but after suffering twelve consecutive defeats, she lost it.  Then, on Super Tuesday, among not-so-hushed whispers confidently forecasting her demise, Hillary whipped out a butterfly knife and fought back.  Obama had grown pudgy on good press and 55 million dollars, and when Hillary got down n’ dirty, he wasn’t prepared.  So she spanked him, causing a huge upset with a modest win in the Texas primary and a not-so-modest victory in Ohio.  Jaws dropped, hats flew off heads, and I’m going to guess a shrill cheer rose up among her claque of winged monkeys over at Hillaryis44.org. Anyway, she claimed momentum—since momentum, like a big penis, is something you can claim to have without other people testifying to it—and the media obviously snatched up the story and started in with horse-race metaphors.

Since Super Tuesday, Hillary has once again begun running under inevitability.  But this time, it’s the wrong kind of inevitability.  After being coddled for the better half of March by press coverage that treated her as a viable contender, it’s finally registered within the MSM that the odds against her are staggeringly high. With a roughly 20 percent chance of actually winning the nomination, even Joe Scarborough is beginning to wonder if she will drop out of the race.

But there's nothing to drop out of, because this isn't a race.  It’s a war of attrition.  This contest is no longer about moving forward, or competing abilities, or issues.  Its priorities have ceased to be on amassing delegates, and even the popular vote is fast becoming irrelevant. Now, Hillary has dug her trenches, and is gearing up to relentlessly pound Obama with attacks until he crumbles and surrenders.  She’ll blacken the landscape, choke the sky, and gas Obama’s character beyond all recognition before she concedes an inch.  Whether it's an acceptable plan is a matter of debate, but I think it's a malicious, vindictive, and generally ugly way to campaign. It reminds me of the same winning strategy that made World War I such a resounding triumph for all nations involved.

As much as I love him, I can't say I'm not beginning to worry about Obama.


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Actually a 20% shot at a mjaor party nomination that is likely to end in winning the presidency of the United States is a really good shot. If you had a 1 in 5 chance at becoming president in exchange for a few more months of a primary campaign, wouldn't you do it?

I mean, I'm not sure if it's a "really" good shot. Maybe a good shot, or not a half bad one. Either way, she can stay in. I'm not baying for her to quit. But the odds are still against her in a way that's more than insignificant. If the only way she can *really* win is by trying to "destroy" someone, is it worth it? It's not by rising above Obama, it's by trying to see him fail and looking less shitty in comparison. I suppose for some this isn't troublesome, but it'd bother me.

I also don't think she'll have any easier a time against McCain in November, so I'm not sure if "the greater good of the party" is a reason to soldier on. The Republicans can use her little Bosnia 'misstatement' in a way just as lethal as Reverend Wright.

Evidently, according to the most recent Op-Ed by David Brooks of the NYT, it's less than twenty percent. He says that with Florida and Michigan off the table (and they ARE off the table) and her campaign hemorrhaging superdelegates, Hillary is left with a 5 percent chance of winning. So, if you have less than 1 in 5 chance of winning the presidency, would you do it?

The thing is, even though Hillary has the chance to win, Obama is still most likely our nominee. This goes beyond wonky speculation. All snide commentary and contrary links from Desidero and Billy Glad notwithstanding, all supremely confident posts by Amber or Merlot about why Hillary can't win aside, in all probability, Obama is going to be pulling the line for us. He has the charisma, he has the self-penned historical speeches on race, he has the thoughtful Iraq strategy, he has the post-partisan message of a constructive tomorrow, he has galvanized a generation of self-obsessed youth to strive towards something bigger, and he has the pledged delegates, the most won states, the popular vote, and growing superdelegate support. I know you're a Hillary supporter and want her to stay in, but you have to admit the odds do favor him, if ever so slightly, right? What worries me about her new tactics is that they will amount to little more than this unremitting immaturity for the next three months. I don't expect to see dynamic arguments on NAFTA so much as I do more "Judas" barbs. Stumping will continue, but it will be glazed over in the press for the latest ill-advised slip of tongue as patience begins to buckle on both sides. I think Obama, at one point forever transcending this mudwrestling match, now stands to sucked into this conflict, as we're seeing the latest, utterly inane and reaching "McCarthy" comment and the weekly blizzard of accusatory memos by Plouffe Daddy. In a way, I can't blame him. I mean, love Hillary or love to hate Hillary, if you had to deal with the way she campaigns for an extended period of time, you know you'd eventually let your worst instincts get the better of you. Still, though, it hurts his image. Hillary can take the hits, because not only does she thrive in this kind of toxic environment, but she has less to lose. In fact, she's already at the bottom. She just needs to get Obama to an worse point than where she is now. However, the uglier Obama starts the look, the worse off he is as the nominee--and it's something to consider given the odds.

I respect you, destor. I think you're one of the best Clinton supporters on this site. You're thoughtful, considerate, and best of all, not disgustingly snide. I'm not demanding for her to drop out, but I do think she should take pause and think about if what she's doing will *really* get her the nomination or if it will just hurt everyone...her own career, the party, Obama, the voters, and our chances against McCain.

My father works on Broadway. Which, potentially offensive intimation notwithstanding, is naturally kind of a barrack for Hillary stalwarts. Well, one aforementioned stalwart works in my father's office. He has been an advocate of Hillary throughout her political career...contributing oodles of money to both of her senate bids as well as her presidential campaign. He has defended her vociferously since she began running...through all the flaps and criticism, he stuck proudly by his girl. He weathered earlier press firestorms and violently asserted the media bias argument. He wasn't like most, dare I say the rest, of us whose enthusiasm lives for and dies at Denver. He was a true fan, a season ticket holder, his giant foam #1 hand proudly enveloping the better part of his arm. He didn't just like Hillary as President, he was enamored with the whole Hillary institution. He was a genuine Clinton loyalist who kept tabs on his girl even during the dry, tumbleweed-lolloping banality of the senate season. I'm running away with the verbal imagery here, but don't be fooled by the hyperbole. He really liked her.

But this man, this Stan, this Hillaryvangeical, told my father yesterday that he's renounced her. His reasons had nothing to do, at least on the surface on things, with the dread of inevitability. He's far too loyal to go Judas. It wasn't her chances, he said, it was her tactics. The kitchen sink of Ohio was nasty, and though he winced, he had initially stuck by her. However, as he has seen this contest drag into a fresh hell of jejune sniping and unremitting finger-pointing, of wild-eyed Geraldine Ferraros riding ass-backwards into battle helmeted with colanders and wielding wooden spoons for swords, of Mark Penn, of imaginary thresholds, of Bosnia and casual misstatements...he says he's just grown so nauseated with Hillary's strategy that he's switching to Obama. Which is, if you think about it, kind of big. Imagine Lalo angrily saying, "You know what? These tactics make me sick! I'm done with Hillary forever. Let's go Obama!" Granted, I'd probably be too distracted by all the flying pigs to probably appreciate the full impact of this conversion, but evidently, the nature of this guy's defection bears similar significance. This is only one man, and hardly an indication of any larger loss on her part, but if she's potentially doing this to more of her staunch supporters, don't you think that says something?

I don't know. Stay in if she must, but I think it suggests a certain amount of pathos.

If Hillary, by some strange twist of fate, is the nominee, I will vote for her because her policies are more palatable than McCain's. So I have vowed. And yet...

Joe Higashi, you have one mean way with words. Your Stan, as described, is poetically potent.

Aw shucks. But you're living in 日本! You have the luxury of staying away.

Of course we as democrats wouldn't want the entire country to have a say in the nominee. What is wrong with Obama supporters that they don't seem to want voters in Penn., Ind,. W.Va., Puerto Rico, Mich., Ore., S.D., and Fla. to count? Some democracy gig you guys are running.

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So in other contests, where all the nominees drop out except one, does that hold true?

Or is it just a way of saying: We want our best shot at second place?

The football analogy of the third quarter is inept and overlooks the right of any contestant to concede. If one cannot wind, they drop out.

I can't imagine how all the states who did not get a chance to vote for Kucinich or Richardson or Edwards feel. Obviously the Obamaistas hate democracy by making them drop out.

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I thought that certain states don't matter anyway?

And what if some of those states run caucuses? Do they still count?

No caucus states don't count. Don't be ridiculous in your assumptions. It makes us both look stupid. Kucinich, Edwards and Richardson dropped out because they wanted to and ran out of cash. To my knowledge no one insisted they get out while the game was still being played, like so many of you would like to see Hillary do. I say stay in until the end, until the last vote has been counted and the last Superdelegate has made her (his) choice. The race is only getting ugly because people want it to be. If you and I can manage not to be snarky, there won't be any hard feelings come Nov.

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I fail to understand why caucus states don't count.

is it a Y2K thing?

I don't understand either.

In previous primary seasons, was there so much talk about the lack of legitimacy, the out-and-out disenfranchisement that results from holding caucuses? Was this terrible injustice not obvious to all of us prior to 2008? Or does 2008 exist all by itself, divorced from any precedent? In prior Presidential primaries, why did't we continue with voting all the way through to the convention, thereby giving EVERYONE a chance to vote? Oh, I guess until Hillary came along, no candidate CARED about the voters enough to demand it.

And the FL and MI problem? Apparently, we missed Hillary's grave concern and outrage on behalf of those voters' franchise during the Democratic Party's arguments over the primary schedule during 2006 and 2007.

It's not about voters (the people) for her, and it never has been. It's about their votes (what they have that's of use to her). If I knew Hillary to be less expedient and self-serving than she undoubtedly is, I could sympathize with her over this (although sympathy is the only thing that's owed to the FL MI non-issue). But I know what her response would be if Obama was in her position, and I know what the response of her supporters on this website would be, and so I simply don't care.

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