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Cilliza from WashPO: Don't underestimate Olbermann's Influence


I'm spending entirely way too much time on TPM today.  But there seems to be some good articles out there that I've ran across, I thought might be interesting to TPM readers... well, most likely Obama supporters. 

To the point, Cilliza blogs about the Olbermann Special Comment on Clinton and Ferraro.  He describes the special comment and then provides a video link to it.  Some people have liked it, some think it was too forceful.  I myself, liked it.  But its interesting nonetheless to see if it will affect the campaigns either way.  I hope it tells both Obama and Clinton to tone it down a notch.

It also speaks to the rise of talk radio (Air America specifically) and people like Keith Olbermann who are countering the Coulter/Limbaugh/Savage type radio/tv programming that has rallied the Republican Right in the past.  I think it represents a direct response to the tepid comebacks of Democrats in the past elections.  For whatever reason, Democrats have not fought back hard enough, and these shows are starting to show that they will.

Anyways, Cilliza doesn't really pass much judgement on what Olbermann said, other than to say this:

But the tenor of his comments, coupled with the influence he wields among progressive activists, could well hurt Clinton's cammpaign as she seeks to make the case to the remaining states why she should be the nominee.

As Democrats learned in the 1990s, underestimate the power of Limbaugh at your own peril. Clinton's campaign would be wise to heed that lesson when it comes to Olbermann.


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Got a link?

I dig the avatar bro.

I'll say this. When she spoke the day after his comment, she looked positively shaken.

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Ridiculous.

Not entirely (though it's a tad overstated). Remember that Ferraro hasn't opened her mouth since she virtually promised in her 'resignation' letter to never shut up about this. Whether the campaign is waiting for an opportune moment to unleash her, or whether she's out of this for good, it does indicate a sudden shift in this re-birth of the Clinton campaign's 'Southern Strategy' in Pennsylvania.

No... not really ridiculous. You can see it on Clinton's face, sort of a glassy stare and a mouth that doesn't seem to know if it should frown or smile. It's what happens when she's screwed up. It probably wasn't all Olbermann's doing, it was just the overall reaction to Ferraro taking this bizarre suicide dive into bigotry.

I suppose that would help, huh? Thanks for catching that.

Link:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/03/the_wrath_of_olbermann.html

Thanks! Ohlberman hit the nail on the head. I was very disappointed in the remarks by Ferraro. Even more disappointed when she stood by them.

Great post.

I like KO!

Funny. Olbermann flew too close to the sun. He's a joke with low ratings on the Offical Cable News Network of Barack Obama for President, MSNBC.

Get your press conference ready Senator Obama, tomorrow there's hell to pay on talk radio. I think tonight the Obama camp has an issue and BIG Pastor Wright problem.

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You remind me of another wishful thinker from before the 2006 elections, which I'll just call Sarge.

I have always considered Keith Olberman to be a phony. His jowls quiver with outrage as he rebukes whomever he decides has offended him.
The first couple of time I saids "Fine , the rightgeous rage thing. Okay."
But I guess the kudos went to his head and like the rat in the experament who pushes the pleasure button instead of the food button until it dies, Keith just kept coming back with his phony Edgar R. Murrow imitation until, frankly it got a little old to me.
Fact is, he'll have more of an opportunity to bitch if Democrats lose again. If everything was great, who'd watch his old man ass complain anymore. Then he'd just be crotchedy and Andy Rooney like.
There's Keith's future you know- he's the soon to be Andy Rooney replacement!
Also, he dates a woman half his age. EEWWW! Old-people love!

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While I find Olberman over the top regularly, at least he talks about important stuff. I agree the anger thing is kind of a gimmick.

But Gerry was also over the top.

OPEN LETTER TO KEITH OLBERMAN

Dear Keith,

I am one of your ardent viewers. For five years now my wife and I never missed any of your show. You have shown courage and fairness and proved to be a beacon of light when the other members of the media were cowed. I love it when you insinuate, the other members of the media who parrot the right wing propaganda, are the modern Rasputins.

Lately however, the fairness has ebbed. You have put Sen Obama in a pedestal as a candidate who is pure and holy and a candidate without stain. As for treatment of Sen Clinton, you have pictured her as the source of problem and controversy. You have pictured her as a person to be treated with disdain. You are quick to point out any controversy around the Clintons yet any controversy regarding Sen Obama was downplayed or not even investigated. Two days ago you slammed Sen Clinton for taking time to renounce the comments of one of his followers. A day after, a similar controversy surronded Sen Obama. Worse, the comments made by his spiritual adviser happened years ago. Yet you invited Sen Obama in your show to let him explain. You now have shown to be one of the Rasputins or Goebel of Sen Obama.

Eight years ago, a man who proclaimed himself as a Uniter charmed the American people as a man of change. The media bought him and even gave him a second chance four years after. Where are we now as a country?

Right now I DOUBT the sweet talk of change of Sen Obama simply because the media has been giving him the free pass and YOU ARE ONE OF THEM. I hope I am wrong with my doubts and you, the people of the media are right this time. Sen Obama’s campaign has skillfully used race as an issue to his advantage – very much the same way the lawyers of O J Simpson used race to their advantage. Lately, he has been disingeous with his explanations regarding his relationship with his pastor and Mr. Rezco.

When the campaign started, I said to myself that I will vote for any of the Democrats. As the campaign unfolds and I saw how the media has constantly dirtied the Clintons and put Obama on a pedestal, I started wondering. Why this unfairness? Is there an agenda? Do you intend to really put Sen Obama in the White House by hook or by crook? Are you now one of the disciples of Micheavilli?

Unfortunately you proved yourself no different from the man you love to chastise – Bill Oreilly. The only difference is that you are in the opposite side of the political spectrum and have opposite agenda.


Respectfully yours,

Raul

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We surely have achieved the goals of Civil Rights if being black is an advantage. Three cheers!

Anyone stupid enough to eequate the head of Harvard Law Review with W is too clueless to explain anything to.

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I think it would be a entertaining exercise to associate IP addresses with various screen names and see how many overlap.

how paranoid are you? better get your doctor to up your meds!

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there are a number of things I might say about your "open letter", but I thought this line seemed fairly representative:

Lately, he has been disingeous with his explanations regarding his relationship with his pastor and Mr. Rezco.

Care to impart some knowledge as to how he has been disingenuous? I definitely want to know how he has been disingenuous about his relationship with his pastor. Is he a submissive in some kinky dominatrix love triangle? What exactly is lurking in the un-known that you are so privy to?

I think I know the answer, but where is his disingenuousness regarding Rezko, other than the fact that Rezko gave money to a plethora of Democratic politicians in the Great State of Chicago(sic)? I am sure you are up to date on the property transaction and the details behind it, so there clearly must be more information you are privvy to.

Enlighten me.

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First, Hillary isn't running the "southern strategy" which is a Republican strategy.

As for Ferraro, she's just doing what she said she would: she didn't apologize for no reason and if Obama wins the nomination he'll ask for her support and will find out that he antagonized her and that the answer will be no.

Are you saying Hillary Clinton will not endorse the Democratic candidate for President?

If that's not enough to make any Democrat not vote for her, I don't know what is. How can you still support her?

ack, sorry, I see you were talking about Ferraro there.

Still, never good to hear a Democrat say he won't support the nominee, I even cringe when I see Obama supporters say they won't support Hillary.

Stravu9
Olbermann is a good & FAIR JOURNALIST . I started out supporting Sen Clinton - but after many missteps & PREVARICATIONS from the Clitonistas - I now have voted for & support Obama.
Come what may I will support the winner of the Democratic nomination process- was it Ben Franklin that said we must all stand togather are hang separately..

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Keith Olbermann is the only commentator who has been willing to raise his voice against the ranting demagogues of the Right wing. Yes he often is over the top himself but I say thank heavens. Before he took to doing his comments no one challenged O'Reilly, Coulter, or their cohorts so their poison spread unimpeded. Have you noticed how the bullies are now starting to fall?

Olbermann is helping show the country just how far we have sunk in the muck of raw politics and the belief that it is ok to swiftboat anyone at any time. His ire has been raised at Senator Clinton because she has decided to take the low road in her attempt to diminish Obama's lead when Obama like Olbermann has been attempting to reverse this divisive approach in politics.

Olbermann needs to do a special about black churches, and play clips of "the best of" Rev Wright.

It's sad what's being done to this man.


OMG. Like Obama will not be able to win without the endorsement of Gerry Ferraro. The "Ferraro Democrats" will all stay home. It will be a disaster.

Yeah. Like when she ran for VP and the ticket didn't even carry her own Congressional district.

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You know this is so unfair and downright shitty about someone whom I happen to admire for her leadership and support for women's issues, especially reproductive rights for women. It's one thing to criticize what someone says and it's another thing to dismiss an entire life's work for the advancement of the feminist movement in this country. You're all so willing to "understand" and "empathize" with Rev. Wright, but it doesn't even occur to you that Ms. Ferraro is just as frustrated and angry at the maltreatment of women in this society as the Rev. Wright is at the maltreatment of black people. Both Ms. Ferraro and Rev. Wright feel frustrated and angry and both would like to see those wrongs addressed by the candidate that they support.

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I don't know. I like Olbermann, and Clinton has been making me sick with her kitchen sink smear campaign. But I doubt his commentary did much more than harden what people already think. Clinton's support is, from what I've seen, either emotional (they love the Clintons and/or they're still mad about impeachment and/or it's "time" for a woman) or a negative reaction to what some people see as Obama's warm-fuzzies 'inspirational' appeal (and I'd ordinarily be in that latter camp).

Chris Cilliza gets more free time on the Official Obama Cable News (?) Network MSNBC than anywhere else on TV. This is suck up to crazy closeted Olbermann for more free air time.

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Since when is it a good thing that the press is "influencing" elections in this country? First of all, that is neither their purpose nor their job in this nation's political system. Secondly, since the press runs in herds, the greater danger here is the influence that these "journalists" have on other "journalists" who have now been spooked to run in the same direction. Thirdly, a reporter shouldn't be chastising and lecturing any candidate for the presidency of the United States - it reveals and fosters a bias that is judgemental and self-congratulatory and subject to the whims and fashions of the moment without regard to the historical and contextual settings of incidents and statements.

What is truly amazing is the continual short-sightedness and tunnel vision on display by liberals who should know better. You praise Olbermann now for his interference and influence on this election because you agree with him and he reinforces your own beliefs, but what happens when you disagree with Olbermann or when an Olbermann decides that he doesn't "like" a certain policy or direction or a certain policy decision is against his own self-interest and he decides to "speak out" against it?

So then you have an "influential" reporter making decisions for you by telling you what you should think and believe about political direction and policy and politicians, something that used to be known as propaganda. Since this reporter influences other reporters you have no information, no analysis, no unbiased factual reporting upon which to base your own thoughts and beliefs.

Do you not understand that this is inherently dangerous and bad in a democracy? You have one person with a platform of which no one else has access telling you what to think and influencing elections in this nation. This reporter is no longer informing your opinion, he is forming your opinion - and most frightening of all, you not only accept it, you encourage and praise him for it because he speaks to your bias today without any thought for tommorow or next month or next year or years from now when influential journalism is thinking for you.

She did, actually. She said the same things the next day.

Has anyone noticed how much KO uses this site and Kos to do his homework. I can't say how many times he uses info posted here. Occasionally giving TPM credit. I think that since this site and the big orange have gone to Obama so strongly, and have tolerated such hate for Clinton (unlike mydd- where you can find respectful discourse) that Keith thinks it merits one of his "special comments".

All his other special comments were about really important things like treason committed by our president.

for him to use that forum to attack Hillary for what Geraldine Ferraro said and then perpetuate the myth that it was the HRC camp that brought up race is just plain sad.

MSNBC also allows statements like Ferraro was in the inner circle of the HRC campaign. That is not true she was one of thousands of fundraisers having raised 125,000. She was never a campaign advisor. her comments were ill advised because they were so easily misconstrued- as the first female vice presidential candidate she had a unique right to speak to the issue of breaking barriers and how much that appeals to progressives. That was the crux of her argument and it is disingenuous to deny that. I'm a HRC supporter but I want a black president I want the barriers broken down, I want to transcend the racial divides in our country. keith does no favor to prograssive by picking sides so viciously.
I think he puts both the TPM brand and the Countdown brand at risk.
For a thoughtful, well researched analysis of the use of race in the democratic primary read this:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

I cannot make a normative statement as to whether or not the press "should" wield influence over the events in this country or affect the course or outcome of an electoral cycle. The de facto answer is that they do.

Yellow journalism has been alive and well since before the birth of our Republic. The term was not created until the Progressive Era and World War I, but the pamphlets in colonial Philadelphia that were spread amongst the colonies led to our rebellion. Journalism has always existed to incite, excite, and compel. Since the birth of the fourth estate, their role has been not only informative but incendiary and persuasive.

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That's the equivilent of claiming that since we've always had disease, we should stop trying to cure diseases.

It doesn't matter in the least to me that reporters have always been like that, it matters to me that they are praised for being like that.

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I was kind of annoyed by Olberman talking about some of the least racist stuff, such as the 3AM phone ad, which wasn't even remotely racist, while ignoring some of the much more serious issues like her surrogates comparing him to Sidney Poitier, saying we can't have a black at the top of a ticket, saying people in PA weren't ready to vote for a black guy, her pollster saying Hispanics wouldn't vote for a black guy, etc.

There has been some stuff that was over-reacted too, though. And the 3 AM ad and the 'fairy tail' comment were the most over-reacted too and most easily disputable examples he could have picked. In fact, people really do seem hysterical when they complain about those comments.

With the over the top hyperbole he used to attack Hillary Clinton, Olbermann is fast becoming a caricature, and dangerously like the Limbaughs and O'Reilly's he used to have so much fun poking fun at. It's one thing to show one's favoritism to a candidate at this stage of the game, quite another to savage the other one unfairly while turning a blind eye to your own candidates faults. I'm waiting for Keith to just admit that he too feels "a tingle going up his leg" whenever he hears Obama speak. Why not just rename MSNBC "OBAMANETWORK", and have truth in advertising?

To quote Mike Myers: "It is what it is."

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