Math Shmath
All the Obama people can talk about after their savior got his butt kicked is math, math, math, math, math, math, math. Whatever. I respect math. Without math, there'd be no particle physics, sports stats, or sudoku, and it would be hard to figure out if you'd received the correct change. But let's not overdo it. First, math isn't tangible, so we can't know for sure if it even exists. Second, it's confusing, and anything confusing is probably a government conspiracy. Third, it's very inconvenient, and I don't think that we should believe in anything that gets in the way of what we want to believe.
So why do people make such a big deal about it? One word: the Mathematico-Industrio Complex. There are whole industries of geeks that make a lot of money by pretending that math matters. What would all those economists, accountants, engineers, actuaries, statisticians, oddsmakers, and pollsters do if people woke up one morning and realized that math was pointless? I don't know what they'd do. It was a rhetorical question. But whatever they did would probably earn a lot less money. So you see, they have big stakes in perpetuating the MATH MYTH!!!! (The explanation points are for emphasis.)
I'm not saying that math doesn't exist, but we should call it what it is: a theory. Theories are for sissies. No one should ever be denied a rightful primary nomination because of someone's dumb theory. Hillary Clinton knows this. That's why she's still in this race, and that's why she'll still be in this race long after everyone else has gone home or been sunstroked to death by global warming. She's in it to win it, and she's just getting warmed up. OK, maybe she should have gotten warmed up before the primary, but whatever, she's very warm now, and nobody's stupid math is going to get in her way. That's because she's a fighter. She will fight the math, and the math will lose.
Now I know that some people in the fantasy-based community think that it isn't possible, that you can't beat the math. But these people have been duped by the Repukelican attack machines who want us to believe that math matters so that we won't elect the only person in the world who can destroy them. But those evil Repugnics know full well that math is a joke. After all, it didn't stop George Bush from stealing Florida.
So you Obamaniacals can sniff your kool-aid and whine about the math all you want. When it comes to the convention, Hillary's going stick your big bad math up Obama's big bad you-know-what. LOL!!!!!!! (That means laugh out loud. And the exclamation points are to show how hard I am laughing.)
So why do people make such a big deal about it? One word: the Mathematico-Industrio Complex. There are whole industries of geeks that make a lot of money by pretending that math matters. What would all those economists, accountants, engineers, actuaries, statisticians, oddsmakers, and pollsters do if people woke up one morning and realized that math was pointless? I don't know what they'd do. It was a rhetorical question. But whatever they did would probably earn a lot less money. So you see, they have big stakes in perpetuating the MATH MYTH!!!! (The explanation points are for emphasis.)
I'm not saying that math doesn't exist, but we should call it what it is: a theory. Theories are for sissies. No one should ever be denied a rightful primary nomination because of someone's dumb theory. Hillary Clinton knows this. That's why she's still in this race, and that's why she'll still be in this race long after everyone else has gone home or been sunstroked to death by global warming. She's in it to win it, and she's just getting warmed up. OK, maybe she should have gotten warmed up before the primary, but whatever, she's very warm now, and nobody's stupid math is going to get in her way. That's because she's a fighter. She will fight the math, and the math will lose.
Now I know that some people in the fantasy-based community think that it isn't possible, that you can't beat the math. But these people have been duped by the Repukelican attack machines who want us to believe that math matters so that we won't elect the only person in the world who can destroy them. But those evil Repugnics know full well that math is a joke. After all, it didn't stop George Bush from stealing Florida.
So you Obamaniacals can sniff your kool-aid and whine about the math all you want. When it comes to the convention, Hillary's going stick your big bad math up Obama's big bad you-know-what. LOL!!!!!!! (That means laugh out loud. And the exclamation points are to show how hard I am laughing.)
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Take that, Math Myth! This *science* has been shoved down our throats long enough, and I don't need to know how long that's been in order assert that its been long enough.
Don't let hard figures addle your clear thinking anymore!
Peace
March 7, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah - kinda like, evolution - shmevolution...
The alternate universe is awaiting all comers...
Genghis for Prez!!!
March 7, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has access the Karl Rove math; you know, the one that said that the Republicans would keep Congress in 2006...
March 7, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I heard that "Math" was pioneered by Arabs. And we all know those are the terrists and who we're supposed to be fighting. Do you really want to choose our next President based on something invented by terrists?
March 7, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well...it really the Greeks. But they're swarthy Mediterraneans, so they might as well be Arabs. The Arabs did come up with the Arabic numerals. (That's why they call them "Arabic".) And they also invented the concept of zero.
March 7, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention the bizarre brand of witchcraft known as al-jabr.
March 7, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you'll write something on the theory of evolution, some people think it's factual.
March 7, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's absurd. They should be ashamed of themselves. I refuse to lend credibility to their insane philosophies by acknowledging them with a post that is rapidly sliding off the recent posts list and will never be heard from again.
March 7, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have this theory that the multiplication tables were invented by Gay Darwinists.
March 7, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol. Didn't I read that Muslims invented Math? Obama must be a Muslim!
March 7, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, Genghis. Usually you are spot-on. But I take great umbrage at your suggestion that without math there would be no sudoku. Many ignorant people like yourself assume that, because sudoku has numbers in it, it is somehow a "mathematical" puzzle. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sudoku does not require any math whatsoever. No addition, no subtraction, no calculus - nada. You could replace the numbers on a sudoku board with letters from the Greek alphabet - or from the Klingon alphabet, if you like - and still play a nice, relaxing game of sudoku.
March 7, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Allsburg, I apologize for causing you suffer from umbrage, and I appreciate the correction. Were I able to edit this post, I would strike sudoku from the list. Also particle physics because really, what has it done for us lately? In truth, I don't play sudoku because it's pretentious, un-American, and hard to spell. And it hurts my brain. I prefer word search.
March 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I choose to believe that Sudoku is mathermatical; therefore it is mathematical.
March 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Allsburg,
Actually it is you that is ignorant here:
Sudoku is based on math.
It's based on a form of math called "group theory" which has to do with the manipulation of elements.
You are confusing arithmetic with math.
By the way, it's the same reason that the Rubik Cube is also based on math -- even though it's a bunch of colors.
March 7, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"All the Obama people can talk about after their savior got his butt kicked is math, math, math, math, math, math, math. "
Wow Ghengis, this sounds rather personal. I have read your posts in the past and found you to be more objective or neutral in stating the facts but you threw me for a loop with this one.
I agree that in the end the math may not win the nomination but I am not ready to throw in the towel on Senator Obama's behalf yet. I think the US is in dire need of a "Peacemaker" internationally and he is the one to deliver the goods on that particular issue (IMHO).
Guess we'll all just have to wait and see.....
March 7, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey cuz, nice screen name. Please tell me that you only posted this comment because you didn't read beyond the first sentence. Otherwise, I might have to disown you.
March 7, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that's comedy.... Genghis Khan...
March 7, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha. Ha ha. Ha.
March 11, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's up against the math. And she's a fighter. But how can you do a knock-out punch of something that doesn't really exist? Can she disprove it? If not, how do you fight such an elusive enemy with the kind of tactics she has in her arsenal? Call it names? Asks some numbers to resign? Yours is a theory - maybe even part of a cult - but I have yet to see any evidence of her "experience" as a Math Commander or a number puncher.
So, please, show me the numbers she's punched, the theories discredited.
Until you do that, I'm thinking she's going to wear herself out shadow-boxing these numbers!
March 7, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only that, how can you, a person who has taken a stand that math is no more than a theory, accept these recommendations.... "numbered" above as 16 (at this theoretical counting), which have apparently placed your post "above others" in an "order" based on nothing more than a theory of order?
If you truly aspire to this theory of yours, then it behooves you, right now, to resign from this recommended list, because the list itself is based on nothing more than a theory that one bunch of recommends is ahead of another bunch of recommends.
Clearly, right here in this post lies confounding information, which discredits your theory that math is only a theory. Or - to be consistent with your theory, you must get yourself off the recommend list!
Somehow! ♪♪♪
March 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be silly, TheraP. Do you think that those numbers have anything to do with anything? They're manipulated by the biased math geeks at TPM who use them to suppress the Hillary vote. Why do you think that all the other recommended posts are pro-Obama? Do you really believe that Obamamaniacs would be able to take over the recommended list if they didn't cheat?
But Hillary's courageous battle the past few days has inspired me to fight. I defy the math. Those guys tried to take me off the recommended list with their math, but they failed. Because I out-mathed them at their own game. Just like Clinton's going out-math Obama right out of Washington.
And if I see any more snarky comments from you, I'm going to out-math your comments too. Consider yourself warned.
March 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get it: Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Ok. I'm willing to concede that you snuck onto the list by some devious means of using their math belief to your advantage. Very good!!!!
But as for buying into the fear theory you're trying to generate in me, well it ain't gonna happen.
I'd sooner buy into math than buy into fear. And since buying into fear is buying into Hillary, I'm sticking with Barack... So I'm believing my eyes as far as the delegate math goes... and not the fear theories she'll use to try and hoodwink me out of the math.
I suggest you reconsider your position accordingly.
Indeed, I think the Obama folks need someone like you, ready to take on the powers that be, the theories of math, and other stuff that many have long taken for granted.
Go for it!
March 7, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Obama lost my vote when Hillary proved that he was an incarnation of Ken Starr. And you can believe whatever makes you feel better about the delegate math (everyone else does), but you and your kind will be vanquished all the same.
March 7, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
By my math I'm older than Hillary, so if you are so swayed by an "older woman" - listen to me, not to her! Barack is your guy! He is strong and wise. He has a much safer temperament. Be swayed. Return to the fold!!!!
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March 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm.. I really like the idea of biased math geeks manipulating things behind the scenes.
March 7, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Genghis has been possessed by a vehement Hillary supporter!!! HELP!!!
March 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe. Or maybe "Genghis" is a secret hillbot troll who has decided to show his true colors after all these weeks. Maybe every poster on this site except for you is a secret hillbot troll. Scared?
March 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
52 to 48 is a win. 51 to 49 is a win. Hell, in 2000, 48.3 to 48.5 turned out to be a win. But I don't think she can spin 47-53 or even 48-52 into a win.
Fantasy Schmatasy. This is reality.
And, off the subject of math, proximity is not the same as experience. I would greatly prefer Obama's cool and calm and thoughtful judgment to Hillary's ill-thought-out-recklessness and McCain's seething anger when it comes to dealing with a foreign policy crisis.
March 7, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm not saying that math doesn't exist, but we should call it what it is: a theory."
REALLY tempted to make that a signature! What say you, Genghis?
Can I have it?
March 7, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. You can't "have" it, but I'm willing to discuss a licensing arrangement. It's a good thing that you asked me first, or I would have prosecuted you for plagiarism in the Canadian courts. But that's a subject for another thread.
March 7, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy crap! You don't mean the 48-hour-heavy-metal-Celine-Dion-tribute torture???
March 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, math is math. So what if Sen. Clinton receives more votes than Sen. Obama.
You know, absolutely nowhere do the rules state that superdelegates have to vote with the pledged delegates. In fact, this itself is a rule. Sen. Obama incorrectly (although very effectively) has framed the arguement that it is the 'responsibility' of the supers to pick according to the pledged delegates.
In other words---for some parts of the primary, delegates (pledged)should be proportional, but other parts should be winner-take-all (supers). Ridiculous. Sen. Obama is no more able to frame how the supers should vote than Sen. Clinton. I can see a popular vote as a very viable reason to swing your support to a candidate, especially when that candidate wins most of the battleground states (never mind the 'Big Blue' states by WIDE margins. I know that these states will go to either candidate, but it makes one hell of a statement when your candidate convinvingly beats the other candidate in friendly territory. Oh, but I forgot--it is Sen. Clinton who is "not the real Democrat").
I love how the campaign of hope has become a campaign of arithmatic. Remember when Sen. Clinton won Nevada, but "Obama" really did? Remember when the headline going into this Tuesday was " Obama could lose Texas, but gain more delegates." But we must respect the will of the voters, no? Pledged delegates is a part of this system, I accept that. But so are supers. And for Sen. Obama to claim that the supers MUST go with the pledged delegates is, in my opinion, a 'change of the rules mid-game.'
March 7, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Consider me disowned then bro'! I refuse to kick Obama while he's down. This boxing match isn't over yet! :)
March 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sens. Kennedy, Kerry? Sen Boxer? Govs. Napolitano and Patrick? Reps. Carol Shea-Porter, Rep. Gonzalez? Rep Kennedy, Rep. Kucinich? Didn't you guys get the memo. You need to change your pledged to Sen. Clinton--she won your districts.
These are the rules, people, don't you know? In fact, we don't even know why that part about the supers are in there! But since it is, vote the way your district did.
We're waiting.
March 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kucinich hasn't endorsed, but I think someone is upset that Hillary has been mathematically eliminated!!!
From a Daily Kos diary, which does the math step-by-step and shows the work:
"Here's another fun one, just to truly show how impossible this catching up notion is. I ran the numbers for winning all 82 races (70 CDs + Guam + the 11 statewide splits) by a whopping 24.9%. Her gain? Only 110 delegates. Obama still leads by 50."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/4/162042/3056
P.S. And yes, I am going to keep posting this until Hillary drops out.
March 7, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the spirit ombudsman. Math doesn't matter when you've got superdelegates. Hillary is going to fight the superdelegates. I mean, fight for the superdelegates. They will wilt under her unrelenting pressure. She will attack and attack and attack and attack and attack and attack and attack and attack and attack and attack and attack and attack until they have no choice except to vote for her. THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!!
March 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's some math for you.
"Delegate lead" does not equal 2025.
March 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally.
It's good to see you finally take on the traditional bitter-Democrat dialect. Until now your posts have had a noticeable lack of Repukelican, Repugnic, and kool-aid references used by all the best, bitterest, long-suffering, victimized, righteous Democrats.
Good for you.
Oops! I mean GOOD FOR YOU!!!!! LOL!!!!! (I'm laughing really hard, see?)
March 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno, I prefer the original cscs.
March 7, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey man. It's MATHS. There are more than one of them. As long as you keep treating this as one mere lone little innocuous 'math' (or even as a string of 7 little maths in a row) you're GUILTY of underestimating the insidious nature of the threat. Of maths. Because maths are legion. And then they're also legion +1. And +2. And even legion n!.
Now, some may say that only the British are allowed to say 'maths'. To that, I say, 'Pshaws!' (Please note that this indicates a whole colony of 'Pshaw', instead of a solitary 'Pshaw')
Semantics you say? Heck no! I don't even know the meaning of the word. Seriously, I have no idea what it means. But! I know my maths. And I fear them.
March 8, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
My math says that Gravel still has a chance.
While Hillary and Obama fightm, Gravel will come from nowhere and throw a rock into a pond.
Viva Gravel!
March 8, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink