Obama's state senate records scrubbed ???
"Obama's story keeps changing"
Klaus Marre @ The HIll has a troubling piece on Obama's state senate records and Judicial Watch's attempts to search them.
“nobody knows where they are, if they exist at all” and claimed that “Obama’s story keeps changing.”
here's the zinger:
“It appears that Obama never kept records of his time in the Illinois state legislature, or he discarded them,” Fitton stated. “Either way, he clearly intended to leave no paper trail.”
Judicial watch is a self described conservative watchdog, they also went after Bush/Cheney tho.
Obama will need a better answer to this problem to avoid looking like Bush and his National Guard records.
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here's the link
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/judicial-watch-obama-intended-to-leave-no-paper-trail-2008-03-26.html
March 27, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm.. that's odd. There's no 'there' here.
March 27, 2008 2:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
no df theres no records there.
March 27, 2008 3:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but there's a lot of hearsay. Exactly what records are we talking about? What records was he required to keep? For how long? What are the procedures followed by other Illinois senators? I don't see any of those questions answered here. I see one guy making the accusation that he "clearly intended to leave no paper trail." Well, guess what? That's not clear at all.
By the way, can I get a link to the blog post that you made about Hillary Clinton's refusal to release her White House records regarding her dealings with the health care industry?
March 27, 2008 3:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
and
March 27, 2008 4:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that's a little inflammatory by the always non-partisan Judicial Watch, isn't it? (sarcasm intended).
This is the first time there's ever been an issue about Obama's records as State Senator, even in Illinois races.
Hillary's schedules as First Lady shed a different light, however. She's claiming vast experience based on her actions as First Lady. And since there is no legislative record to hold her accountable, her day to day schedule is more pertinent to her claims. Obama has a legislative record in the Illinois State legislature and by all accounts correspondence and other state business have been documented.
I live in Chicago. Believe me, if the Chicago Tribune had been dissatisfied with any disclosure on Obama's part, we would have heard about it.
March 27, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gee if we had Obama's "schedules" we could compare how these two fine candidates spent their time in the past. couldn't we?
March 27, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
The headline of this post is misleading: it's just a personal schedule that appears to be missing. There's tons of information about his actions as State Senator. It makes it sound as if nothing is available. That's deceptive.
March 27, 2008 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure that is just an, ah, misimplication that the author will correct any second now.
March 27, 2008 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
it's not just his schedule it's all his official correspondence too. I identified judicial watch as conservative, which never gets done on this site when they go after Hillary's records and I stand by the title.
Super delegates read the Hill.
March 27, 2008 3:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you stand by all three question marks ???
March 27, 2008 3:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes. I don't know the answer. But judicial Watch will keep asking this question. They are relentless, if Obama's answers "keep changing" they will keep pointing that out too.
March 27, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. The State of Illinois has specific record-keeping requirements for their State Senators and, naturally, business occurring in the legislature. It has been confirmed that Obama abided by these requirements flawlessly.
2. All of said records, i.e. anything to do with the IL state government, i.e. everything is available through the State of Illinois. Some documents require a FoIA request but there is no OK that Obama needs to or can give. The public record is, well, public record.
3. Cases, legislation etc. that were ongoing at the time of Obama's election to U.S. Senate were transitioned to his successor Kwame Raoul.
4. Obama does not have any remaining personal records. Anything that is not part of the official record (see #1) would have been discarded because it is by definition inconsequential. There was no staff that could handle these as mere keepsakes.
That is all the information you need. Please contact the State of Illinois if you want access to the extensive public record.
Period, done, the end.
We will not be distracted. Not this time.
P.S. Jot yourself a little text file somewhere to just paste in when the next troll comes by. Their intention is to waste our time.
March 27, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
period, done, the end.
does that work well for you at home?
March 27, 2008 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, at home roo_P prefers to use the briefer QED.
March 27, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I married a smart woman. I typically do not have to draw out the facts for her.
March 27, 2008 3:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hm, I apologize. That statement is a bit brusque.
March 27, 2008 5:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
apology accepted, Your arguments are fine, but as the piece points out, judicial watch heard all that and it did not explain why all this information is missing. The placement of the article in the Hill yesterday is what made me suspect this was a potential problem going forward. I still stand by the post and the title.
March 27, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean they are ona partisan witch-hunt?
I'm shocked SHOCKED I tell you!!!
March 27, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The absence of evidence does not necessarily indicate evidence of absence. In other words "WHAT IS HE HIDING ???" doesn't really mean much to anyone who's not interested in insubstantial and sensational allegations.
March 28, 2008 4:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Talk about a tsunami.... amber, where are you when we need you??
March 27, 2008 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Judicial Watch was originaly established to go after the Clintons, and 13+ years later they have not given up on that crusade.
Don't really expect them to make much of a attempt to get Obama's do, or don't exist records.
And the bit about going after Republicans, is bogus.
Sued Bush White House to get Cheeney records of meetings with big oil, knew they would not be produced. Smoke screen. Just go to their web site to see haw fake this outfit is.
March 27, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You think they fold up their tent and go home if Clinton is out? they will peruse whatever Democrat has real power.
March 27, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Typical Hillaroid (and Judicial Watch) logic.
1. Hypothesize records other than those that were subject to the Illinois archiving records into existance.
2. Deem the fact that the hypothesized records can't be found "troubling" and "suspicious."
"So, tell me, do you still have your personal Daytimer for 1998? No? Why not? You threw it away? Why didn't you keep it? Because the law didn't require you to keep it? What kind of answer is that? Do you routinely throw away papers the law does not require you to keep? What are you trying to hide? Did you not realize that you would be running for president in ten years and each and every appointment you ever made would be of vital importance to the fate of the Republic?"
March 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It'll be interesting to see if anything comes out of this -- but the Hill article is pretty pitiful; it doesn't tell us anything at all, except that a right-wing hit group claims Obama's records aren't availble, and Obama says they are. Wouldn't a quick call to the Illinois secretary of state, or whoever is in charge of such things there, have shed some light on this?
March 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I believe that would be called 'journalism.'
March 28, 2008 4:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Roo:
I will use your statements when this crap reappears (as it does; as it always will until November).
March 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
roo_P...It has been confirmed that Obama abided by these requirements flawlessly.
You've made a lot of claims in your post above. Can you link us to something confirming what you've posted? Thanks in advance.
March 27, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
“It ***appears*** that Obama never kept records of his time in the Illinois state legislature, ****or he discarded them****,” Fitton stated. “Either way, ***he clearly intended*** to leave no paper trail.”--“nobody knows where they are, if they exist at all”
Wow! Creepy, isn't it?!
OK-OK, you caught us. The IL Senate thing was a lie. He was never actually a state senator. Do us a favor, would 'ya? Keep this story quiet, carol, this could be really damaging.
I heard that Hillary is a pathological thief. She just hasn't been caught-- yet! She clearly intends on picking your pocket, carol. Clearly she has hidden all of the stuff she's stolen over the years because nobody knows where it is, or if it even exists!
March 27, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see if I got this... the fact that a clear pattern of malfeasance cannot be found is de facto proof of a coverup. So clever that NOTHING WAS FOUND AT ALL(!) So vast and far reaching that our very system of government is at risk. Similar to the loss of the White House e-mails, the only difference being that those were required by law to be preserved.
Should I be outraged or terrified? Any suggestions at Judicial Watch?
March 27, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone in the mood for a giggle, read up on Judicial Watch. Do these people think they live in a vacuum? I guess they do, since they get taken seriously by blogs like The Hill.
Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton is currently in a hilarious legal battle with Judicial Watch founder Larry Klayman over control of the organization. Klayman left to run in the FL senatorial republican primary against Mel Martinez, crapped out, and tried to reclaim control of Judicial Watch in 2004. He then sued Fitton for misrepresentation when Fitton was hired as staff at Judicial Watch, claiming Fitton later admitted he had no BA in English as claimed on his resume. Fitton evidently refuses to release his birth date to allow independent confirmation of his claim to a BA degree from George Washington University.
By the way, Klayman is also famous for suing his own mother for expenses related to care of his grandmother - as he claims "doing the right thing, no matter the consequences".
I mean really...
March 27, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
let's hope this has as much of an impact on Obama's electability as the lost National Guard records had on GWB's.
March 27, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink