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BO Wants Bipartisanship, Has Soft Counterpunches: Is He Too Weak to Champion Liberal Values?
He went on Fox and didn't fight. For many in the blogosphere, that was insult to injury.
He doesn't fight HRC very aggressively, especially in debates.
He wants to reach across the aisle to pass legislation, to build new coalitions of voters. The claims of "getting along" have watered down Nancy "Off the Table" Pelosi and our Dem congress since they won the majorities.
How can you partner with Republicans without selling your soul. Why would we even want to? They havent tried AT ALL with the left, and it will take an aggressive counter to reverse 8 years of unprecedented harm.
Thanks in advance for your feedback. I will offer my two cents in the comments also.
He doesn't fight HRC very aggressively, especially in debates.
He wants to reach across the aisle to pass legislation, to build new coalitions of voters. The claims of "getting along" have watered down Nancy "Off the Table" Pelosi and our Dem congress since they won the majorities.
How can you partner with Republicans without selling your soul. Why would we even want to? They havent tried AT ALL with the left, and it will take an aggressive counter to reverse 8 years of unprecedented harm.
Thanks in advance for your feedback. I will offer my two cents in the comments also.
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He is a great communicator, and his ability to create new support from GOP leaners will be valuable in November and in getting the public opinion behind legislation in office. One of his greatest abilities is to get everyone in the room to believe he agrees with them- I had almost forgotten that is a huge political power.
One doesnt need to compromise to reach out. In a discussion of the commonalities we have, not the differences, we find most Americans agree more than the wedge issues would make us believe: 80% Iraq, 80% wrong direction.
The left is the fringe only because the Right says it is so, but most Americans lean Left. I think Barack is taking the word Liberal back!
His approach has had positives: More people involved, agreement with Foreign Policy by right wing experts, Nobel economists approving of his economic plan, and pro Obama posts on the Fox News site.
And he will fight McCain more aggressively. The only energy we saw from Obama on Fox was on fighting McCain. It will be mainly on the issues though, ample fodder. He will defend, and have McCain's own gaffes ready to be zinged back at him- for example, did you see McCain has this year's holy grail of flip flops: He was for the withdrawal before he was against it.
April 29, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's 'fighting spirit' has managed to piss off half the Democratic party -- do we need Barack to mirror that asinine 'strategy'?
April 29, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
The best fighter can win a fight without ever landing a punch.
"To a mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders." - Chuang-tzu
April 29, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great quote. Thanks.
April 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Enacting change means you piss off the people who have a vested interest in the status quo, and Obama doesn't seem to want to do that.
April 29, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting point to think about. I would note thought that he has made a central component of his campaign "politics as usual" which has obviously pissed alot people off. So I believe you can challenge people to shift their paradigm with postive motivations to do so while accepting some fallout will come. Im impressed that he has done so already with the supporters of the status quo (Congressmen, Media) who have embraced him with less defensiveness than expected.
April 29, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's not the half of it.
Politicians can change their beliefs. If Congressmen, previously vested in the status quo, want to have a 'revelation' and join the change brigade, they can, because they're politicians and that's what they do.
People who are really invested in the status quo aren't going to be so easy. They're military contractors, lobbyists, political slime merchants, oil company managers and on and on. They actually make money on the status quo. That money goes to keep themselves fed and send their children to college and take care of their old people. There's more of these than you might think, and some of them don't qualify as being "plutocratic" or unusually rich.
Unfortunately, their livelihood threatens a disproportionate amount of others. They probably know this, but they're not going to give up their source of income so easily.
April 29, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hear you. I wrote this post in part based on earlier questions you have raised, Customer. Good questions deserving more consideration.
An example of where I am at with an entrenched group outside Washington: I believe Obama has a better chance to get to universal health care, for example, than HRC, fair or not. Lot of stakeholders there in Rx for one. Does his healthcare policy compromise, or does it go as far as it can while allowing the entrenched interests to still have a "seat at the table," thus keeping it alive?
I'd say he's balancing challenging with realism while keeping the outrage "managed"- controlled by the fair sounding-ness of the deal to the average American, everyone should have a seat, right? This aided by good communication, feels fair; he may even be able to listen to the status quo interests' concerns and fins whatever common ground you have. Its the "anti-decider" way, listening even if you dont agree in the end. It feels alot better when entrenched interests (I hear the EPA isnt too fond of how its going) are stepped on, more effective too.
April 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It depends on how you define "strength."
If you see it as attempting to seriously beat or destroy the opponent without regard to whether or not that person is a Democrat or a Republican, then yeah, Obama is not for you.
If you see strength largely as the ability to drag out, knock-down, and give bloody beatings, then yeah, Obama is not for you.
If you want the next president to spend the next four to eight years beating on the Republicans, tearing them and their supporters down and apart, and encouraging the DOJ to focus all of their energies in investigating any fake Republican wrong-doings as payback, then yeah, Obama is not for you.
I think if you believe Obama weak because he refuses to engage in such actions, I think you too narrowly define strength.
If you believe that working with Republicans is equivalent to selling your soul, then you really don't belong in politics. Grassroots organization is probably the best place (and I say this with sincerity).
Our political system is intentionally slow and for anything to get accomplished, compromises have to be reached. The Democrats will probably achieve a majority in Congress this year but who knows in 2010? If we are serious about fixing what is broken, we have to reach out and work with like-minded Republicans in Congress.
I personally am sick of a president who proclaimed himself a decider and turned this government into a joke filled with bunch of incompetents and criminals. I am sick of the DOJ witch hunts against anyone not a reactionary Republican. I want this to end and I don't want more years of partisan persecution.
April 29, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed totally, though I think Obama will help tear down some Republican coalitions.
April 29, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Well said.
April 29, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
We are so used to punching and counter punching in our politics now that we don't even know how to think about Obama's style. But if we simply look at where partisan points scoring style fights have gotten us; we can clearly see that this system is not working.
We can go back and forth and have a Republican administration swing our entire government to the right as well as nearly destroy it and then have a Democratic administration swing the pendelum back to the left for while and we can go back and forth that way. But the problem with that is that nothing big and important ever gets solved because all of the politicians are just trying to score points with their base so they can "get stuff done" when they have the power.
So the idea that Obama represents is that if you take the high road when you can and stop the stupid bickering you might actually get people to work together on a few bills that make sense to the American people. Most solutions to our problems shouldn't be solved by a far right or a far left solution but a good mix of practical ideas.
April 29, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's biggest fight is with her own ego.
April 29, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some answers are in here.
April 29, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
More answers here:
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html
His legislation is often proposed with Republican co-sponsorship, which brings me to another point: he is bipartisan in a good way. According to me, bad bipartisanship is the kind practiced by Joe Lieberman. Bad bipartisans are so eager to establish credentials for moderation and reasonableness that they go out of their way to criticize their (supposed) ideological allies and praise their (supposed) opponents. They also compromise on principle, and when their opponents don't reciprocate, they compromise some more, until over time their positions become indistinguishable from those on the other side.
This isn't what Obama does. Obama tries to find people, both Democrats and Republicans, who actually care about a particular issue enough to try to get the policy right, and then he works with them. This does not involve compromising on principle. It does, however, involve preferring getting legislation passed to having a spectacular battle. (This is especially true when one is in the minority party, especially in this Senate: the chances that Obama's bills will actually become law increase dramatically when he has Republican co-sponsors.)
So my little data point is: while Obama has not proposed his Cosmic Plan for World Peace, he has proposed a lot of interesting legislation on important but undercovered topics. I can't remember another freshman Senator who so routinely pops up when I'm doing research on some non-sexy but important topic, and pops up because he has proposed something genuinely good. Since I think that American politics doesn't do nearly enough to reward people who take a patient, craftsmanlike attitude towards legislation, caring as much about fixing the parts that no one will notice until they go wrong as about the flashy parts, I wanted to say this. Specifics below the fold.
April 29, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Im a cutting and pasting that stuff. My question came largely from that perspective, the policy side, how will he make friends with the Right and take back our civil liberties, wiretapping for example (note my brother just mentioned a program called Eshaton started with Bill Clinton with arguably more unpredecented damage than FISA!). I envison your points unfolding, and his ability to communicate and connect to win public opinion and congressional support without watering it down with a bunch of compromises (example of compromise: House passed FISA, so we are going after phone companies who broke the law before it became a law).
April 29, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink