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from a south carolinian to rep clyburn: chill!
with all due respect, who appointed the rep as the spokesman for anything. face it, he is the product of gop gerrymandering, providing s.c. with a safe black seat, with a district that looks like an octopus.
i respect rep clyburn, he is a good guy, but his comments about the clintons trying to make sure obama cannot be elected in the general election indicate the poor man must be smoking something good.
it is his right to criticize the clintons if he wishes, he has already done so. the bottom line is this: bill clinton does not owe black people a duty to not support his own wife vociferously in this campaign.
as for this kitchen sink line, big freaking deal, that phraseology has been around in politics for a long time, it simply indicates a campaign is frustrated cause it is not getting traction...so you change your strategy.
throwing the kitchen sink simply means throwing a bunch of stuff up in the air and hope....it is not bill clintons fault that obama has ties to a pastor who is still, to this day muddling the waters, terming obama's distancing of himself from reverend wright as just politics....huh? i thought it was new politics?'
it was not the clintons that made obama make really dumb comments in california about pennlyvania voters.
it was not the clintons who made obama associate with an unrepentant former bomber and play stage terrorist asshat ayers...as a grizzled old dude who lived in those days, i feel only pity for a person who can pretend to be a revolutionary then plays middle class games yet yearns to have killed more, bombed more...it was not bill clinton who created this.
it was not bill clinton during the debate asked obama uncomfortable questions, it was not bill clinton that made obama look uncomfortable while hillary looked presidential\
look, listen up, word up...we are seeing a first, a real live strong black candidate...and we are witnessing a dynamic which has never been seen. words that may have been used in the past suddenly develop baggage, and once tarred with the racist, extremist, radical, whatever label, somehow life and events and misfortune lead people to say stupid stuff sometimes they wish they had phrased better, but once said, well it sits.
bill and hillary clinton are not racists, having lived in south carolina almost all my life i know what racism is...i am old enough that i recall as a young boy driving on a light rainy night passing an area where a cross was burning, the klan was meeting. i have seen racial deprivation and bigotry closer than most white people, not a pleasant thing to say, but its true. i have seen gray haired black men have to lower their eyes and kowtow to young moronic white boys.
as a long time democrat, a southerner who has tried in his life to strive for equal treatment for all, i do not think i am a racist, though no doubt my heritage does leave a mark on me...the clintons are not racists
they are politicians struggling, striving, fighting, scratching and clawing towards a goal...this is what running for president is about...you either go all out, or you need to go home, the fire in the belly is another phrase, old politics, but its a truism nonetheless.
facing an attractive, eloquent man like obama is not an easy task, but eventually its a brutal experience, do not blame the clintons for the atmosphere in which we now find ourselves, but like any politician, when given weapons, they will use them, but that does not make the public concerned about these issues that haunt obama, the public decides what is important...throw it up in the air and guess what? obamas own associations and comments helped them stick.
so, representative clyburn with all due respect, you should know better...as a good politician..but i think, as my comments might infer, that the obama folks are getting pissed off at the wrong person.
blame obama, its his past and words that are harming him, not bill clinton...you know, its, hmmm, what? oh, i know, its a distraction.
i respect rep clyburn, he is a good guy, but his comments about the clintons trying to make sure obama cannot be elected in the general election indicate the poor man must be smoking something good.
it is his right to criticize the clintons if he wishes, he has already done so. the bottom line is this: bill clinton does not owe black people a duty to not support his own wife vociferously in this campaign.
as for this kitchen sink line, big freaking deal, that phraseology has been around in politics for a long time, it simply indicates a campaign is frustrated cause it is not getting traction...so you change your strategy.
throwing the kitchen sink simply means throwing a bunch of stuff up in the air and hope....it is not bill clintons fault that obama has ties to a pastor who is still, to this day muddling the waters, terming obama's distancing of himself from reverend wright as just politics....huh? i thought it was new politics?'
it was not the clintons that made obama make really dumb comments in california about pennlyvania voters.
it was not the clintons who made obama associate with an unrepentant former bomber and play stage terrorist asshat ayers...as a grizzled old dude who lived in those days, i feel only pity for a person who can pretend to be a revolutionary then plays middle class games yet yearns to have killed more, bombed more...it was not bill clinton who created this.
it was not bill clinton during the debate asked obama uncomfortable questions, it was not bill clinton that made obama look uncomfortable while hillary looked presidential\
look, listen up, word up...we are seeing a first, a real live strong black candidate...and we are witnessing a dynamic which has never been seen. words that may have been used in the past suddenly develop baggage, and once tarred with the racist, extremist, radical, whatever label, somehow life and events and misfortune lead people to say stupid stuff sometimes they wish they had phrased better, but once said, well it sits.
bill and hillary clinton are not racists, having lived in south carolina almost all my life i know what racism is...i am old enough that i recall as a young boy driving on a light rainy night passing an area where a cross was burning, the klan was meeting. i have seen racial deprivation and bigotry closer than most white people, not a pleasant thing to say, but its true. i have seen gray haired black men have to lower their eyes and kowtow to young moronic white boys.
as a long time democrat, a southerner who has tried in his life to strive for equal treatment for all, i do not think i am a racist, though no doubt my heritage does leave a mark on me...the clintons are not racists
they are politicians struggling, striving, fighting, scratching and clawing towards a goal...this is what running for president is about...you either go all out, or you need to go home, the fire in the belly is another phrase, old politics, but its a truism nonetheless.
facing an attractive, eloquent man like obama is not an easy task, but eventually its a brutal experience, do not blame the clintons for the atmosphere in which we now find ourselves, but like any politician, when given weapons, they will use them, but that does not make the public concerned about these issues that haunt obama, the public decides what is important...throw it up in the air and guess what? obamas own associations and comments helped them stick.
so, representative clyburn with all due respect, you should know better...as a good politician..but i think, as my comments might infer, that the obama folks are getting pissed off at the wrong person.
blame obama, its his past and words that are harming him, not bill clinton...you know, its, hmmm, what? oh, i know, its a distraction.
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The Clintons tried to dismiss Obama as the black guy who could win SC but wouldn't win much more. You cannot deny this. If Barack or Michelle compared Hillary's New Hampshire victory to the victory of a woman who had won it before (hypothetically of course) then failed to win the nomination, they would have engaged in gender-baiting and inflammatory rhetoric.
I do not believe the Clintons are "racist." However, I do believe they are willing to marginalize Barack as a Black guy who can only win because of Black people. Furthermore, I think they are willingto play on fears that a Black person cannot win the election. Well, a Black person never will if he is always marginalized by the majority, no matter how good he is (I do not think the majority has marginalized him).
If Hillary won a state that and Barack replied with anything that seemed to imply that she only won because she was white or because she has a vagina, or if he said it in a way that someone could infer it, even if it would be slightly unreasonable to do so, he would have been drawn and quartered.
April 25, 2008 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cherry -
Sadly, because of the way this thing has gone Rep. Clyburn's remarks represent the way more than a few people feel. Call it paranoia, if you like, but many folks just can't shake the feeling that Hillary and her campaign act like if she can't be the Dem nominee and President no one else will either.
April 25, 2008 7:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shouldn't your headline read:
"From a Clinton Supporter To Rep. Clyburn"?
April 25, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
The undercurrent of Hillary's campaign to superdelegates is that a black man can't be elected president. It's also part and parcel of the Clinton's campaign.
It's why her strength is strongest among the oldest voters, who believe this in significant numbers, and among lesser educated working class folks, who have been encouraged by the Republicans for years to view African Americans (crime and affirmative action) as the reason they are where they are.
Clyburn knows this and its why he is disgusted with the Clintons.
By the way, the race is over. Clinton has lost.
April 25, 2008 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
To ask ReEp. Clyburn to chill is utterly ridiculous. I've not listened to a more emotionally balanced and verbally restrained member of congress. Clinton advocates just want the rest of the party to shut up while they proceed to burn the Dem. party to the ground. Many of us have had enough of this nonsense and enough of this Clinton campaign.
Courting R.M. Scaife, taking money from Rupert Murdoch, endorsing McCain as more qualified than Barack! What would Clinton supporters be saying if Obama was behaving this way.
April 25, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
That he was trying to form a broad coalition of voters in order to win in the Fall and push his Progressive agenda through Congress?
April 25, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
From the same far right-wing Republicans who tried to destroy her husband? Wow, she is really is the forgiving sort! Yep, that's the Hillary we all have seen - all forgiveness and cuddles. Makes perfect sense to me.
April 25, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink