Spot on there!

And if anybody thinks the republicans won't continuously bring the unsavory episodes from "That 90's Show", back - they are delusional.

Hillary peed her pantsuit in anticipation of sniper fire during the corkscrew.

Hence the rapid demise of her credibility.

I heard that interview on my way home and my first thought when she asked, "why are asking me?" was "because you are here!" My second though was that Hillary is just not that stupid. It is as obvious to her as it is to any of us that there is a difference between the superdelegates ratifying the primaries and overturning them. It makes her look like she is either stupid or a liar to insist otherwise. They clearly could decide she is enough better than Obama that it is worth the cost of giving her the nod. But to act as if it has no cost is simply disengenuous. It confirms evry bad sterotype of her.

Clearly I agree. Back on March 31st, I wrote ELECTION ‘08: Hillary Clinton has lost her damn mind! It's insulting that instead of looking at what went wrong with her campaign, she's chosen to dismiss voters, states and the rules she agreed to. I get the political game, but she sounds more like a Bush administration zombie than a Democratic presidential candidate. The denial of reality is creepy.

There is a saying that anyone familiar with Al-Anon knows, "Winning by whining". It is not gender specific. It applies to a behavior found in alcoholic or dysfunctional families.

I have to admit that the more I see/hear of Senator Clinton, the more I want to suggest that she run to the nearest Al-Anon meeting and get a sponsor.

Bill's victim. Gennifer's victim. Monica's victim. The press' victim. The vast right-wing conspiracy's victim. The caucus' victim. The rules' victim.....soon to be the voters' victim.

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Hillary = permanent victim

I feel sorry for her, she's a pretty pathetic person.

Then again, she has $100 million in the bank, so it can't be all that bad.

Two things I read in the comments really resonated: 1)victim, victim, victim
2)find an AlAnon group
I don't know a lot about AlAnon, but isn't it basically about being codependent? You stub your toe and my foot hurts kind of thing? And the other part is that if I stay and suffer, there's a payoff for me in it somewhere that makes it worth it to me. For a long, long time, Hillary's been fighting. In fact, everyone around her seems to be fighting with every one. If the Arkansas State Troopers who were Bill's body guards can be believed, Bill has been fooling around for decades. And still she stays. And still she is the victim. And still everyone should feel badly for her and make it up to her. And still . . .and still. . .And now darn it, she wants to be president and it isn't fair! You can almost hear her shouting inside her own head. "I've suffered! They have to let me be president. Look how I've suffered."

I like this post. Good to know others see what I see.

I do believe the Hillary actually had no marbles to lose.
But this constant whining is really getting to me.
In fact I think she needs some cheese to go with that whining..............

I think this is a laundry list of petty and insubstantial objections, most of which has already been uttered elsewhere and endlessly. (Is there an echo in here?)

Though I support Obama, I think we need to hew to more substantive critiques of Ms. Clinton. Obama has gotten kid gloves treatment, too.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Nice post.

What stands out to me, in addition to the points in the comments here, is Clinton's aiming her ire at Obama supporters.[QUOTE]...Senator Obama's supporters refuse to support a revote in Michigan, which I thought was rather odd for the Democratic Party to be against another vote. Senator Obama's supporters wanted to end this contest and short circuit it so that the votes of the people in the next upcoming contest wouldn't count because he has a slight lead.[/QUOTE]
In other words, the voters she ostensibly wants to back her when she, ahem, locks up the nomination. Why would she not level her criticism at Barack or his campaign?

Spot on, brother. Well done.

jthomas - Well-done.

Maybe somewhere on TPM, there was a video of Hillary w/ a couple of snippets from interviews in December or January. In both, she declared that the race would be wrapped up, over with, done by February 5, adding that it wasn't going to be a very long campaign.

Maybe I'm one of the few who didn't see these originally. Her certainty was striking. There was no doubt in her mind that she would be the nominee; she only needed to go through some motions in the meantime.

As for whining, the other day, she was complaining publicly that it took her 30 minutes longer in the morning to get ready than the male candidates (make-up, hair, etc.), implying yet again, someone has an unfair advantage.

What's it called when you go beyond whining?

Three or four months ago, the differences in her physical appearance were striking. Earlier, she looked rested, assured, and several pounds lighter.

By contrast, Obama seems to look about the same as he did in December. Either that, or I'm seeing him through my impression that he's steady and unaffected by ripples on the surface. Even if he isn't, he doesn't whine about it!

Scott P

A few more thoughts:

a) UNFAIR ADVANTAGES
The Clintons were able to help *design* Super Tuesday and make that an immense wall that required a super amount of money to have a credible showing. Only HRC was supposed to end up with a sizable war chest. When Obama did, HRC actually had to work for the nomination for real -- and she had no strategy except a massive knock-out punch. When she didn't, Obama was able to roll through 11 more elections and win.

But note: Hillary stacked the deck -- and still couldn't hold on.

b) GENDER BIAS
I know it's not polite to say this, but I don't think Hillary was subject to mysogyny -- sexism, yes, but mysogyny, no. (There is a difference.) However, either way, I'm not convinced that HRC does, in fact, believe she is a victim.

I can just as easily believe that Hillary is trying to tap into one of her solid core group's (older women) emotions -- who would relate to that type of argument. I would chalk this up as similar to her recent announcement about significantly boosting breast cancer research. Again, it's a pander to her core group.

There is a real double standard that Hillary does use with respect to gender, however: she has constantly said it would be historic to elect her because she is a woman... but then asks us to not think of her as a woman because that would be sexist.

Obama's campaign has had to deal with some racism for sure -- but I think even the staunchest HRC supporter would agree that Obama has not called "positive" attention to his race as a consideration for electing him -- he simply wants to run as an American. This does contrast Hillary's approach.

c) VETTING
The main blog nicely articulates where this double standard lies: she has hardly had the usual political career. Hillary used to make a big issue of vetting -- until it has become clear that she was never vetted. This is the main issue. Helping Bill Clinton run a presidential campaign is not the same as running one yourself. She isn't up to the task. Despite enormous advantages, she is still just barely hanging on.

d) LOVE AFFAIRS (PART 1)
For most of 2006-7, HRC was deemed "inevitable". She got this moniker with the solid help from the MSM. To now cry that the MSM may love someone else (which they don't), is disingenuous.

It's pretty clear that the non-Fox stations are pretty much candidate neutral in the global sense. They will snipe at anyone to get a good story. The MSM certainly didn't give Obama a pass on Rev. Wright -- Obama change the whole landscape himself by shaming the MSM into a corner.

e) LOVE AFFAIRS (PART 2)
Which brings me to Monica and "none of your business." Oh, yeah? Sorry, it is -- it was forced on us, it's now part of the history books. We all know about it. In part, we know about it because the Clintons lied about it and that gave the GOP opportunities to attack. Are the Clintons at fault for this fiasco solely? No. But to sweep it under the rug with "none of your business" is simply bad politics and shows no respect to the general American electorate.

If the Clintons would address this issue the way Obama did Rev. Wright, it would take the wind out of everyone and that would be that. They apparently simply aren't capable of it.

f) HILLARY THE FIGHTER
Another moniker allowed to her by the "double standard" media. Is she a fighter? She is campaigning -- give me a break. That's the nature of a campaign. You know who is a fighter?

1) Obama: who dared to run against such a well funded, inevitable candidate. For having a plan and sticking with it. This is not simply Obama praise, many candidates cleared the field this year because they didn't want to tangle with the Clintons.

2) McCain: who was broke and the MSM left for dead -- and rose to claim the party's nomination.

In fact, Hillary started on high in 2006-7 and has been slipping down a slope ever since. That is not fighting, that is losing.

Great post. Only few people at ---largeplace.com----- support her.

"She is the campaign equivalent of our policy in Iraq; a never-ending series of shifting rationales and goal post movements."

Brilliant.

Some of my Republican acquaintances have assured me for years that Hillary should have divorced Bill over the incident, that any heterosexual woman would have. That Hillary didn't, they say, proves she's a lesbian.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Actually, that is one possible explanation (and no one really knows). Another is that Hillary is so focused on attaining the POTUS, that she knew she shouldn't rock the boat at that point. After all, Bill has been quite valuable as a donor-network source and campaigner.

Another explanation is that Hillary knew that divorcing herself from Bill would tremendously lessen her celebrity status and/or political clout -- even if she weren't running for POTUS.

The problem you face in viewing Hillary objectively is the obvious one. You are not objective. Therefore, while I'm sure you are sincere, you are only expressing the opinions that you are capable of entertaining. Reality lies elsewhere. But I'm sure those who share your views will share your view.

One of the other benefits of being HRC

All the old Clinton allies still in politics, judiciary, govt. positions, media roles.

And about Media, they have a lot of savvy media types on their campaign, and a lot of friends in the media, and a lot of alliances (political/business) with media. They do not own it or run it like the RightWing has (corporate media of course being ON BOARD with the corporate party)....but HRC is the closest thing we have to a corporate dem. And because of old coat-tails, she happens to have a lot of moles in power positions and in the media. Very few candidates have ever run with such a load of old pals still at the control levers of this country.

The closest thing we have seen in recent memory is the cabal that seems to reincarnate itself since the nixon admin....then the reagan admin and bushI, and of course bushII. That was a pretty incredible run of keeping the same bullshit artists in suspended animation until you bring them out and dust them off during the next republican admin. But we have a dem running that has a similar support structure lurking in the weeds. Former cabinet members and wh staff and presidential chums all working on behalf of a dem. That is another big reason a lot of people cannot abide the thought of the HRC candidacy. All the inside players and lifers and beltway screwballs that were clintonites all get a second bite of the apple. We are tired of DC insiders. Just plain tired.