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No Sense of Decency - The Clinton Campaign


I've written tirades similar to this before, and every time I consider doing it again, I say "why bother, there's nothing left to say."  But alas, I can stand it no more.  My pressure cooker of a head is about to explode, so spout off I must.

Why is Hillary even being taken seriously anymore?  Her consistent moving the goalposts, her near constant mendacity and patronizing demeanor, her arguments about seating the Michigan and Florida delegates, and now her newfound claim to be leading in the popular vote are, quite literally, laughable and not even worth reporting.  In fact, the most recent of these (i.e., the popular vote boondoggle) should be reported, if at all, only for its comical value.

Essentially, the argument now is that more people have voted for Hillary than anyone else . . . a statement that while arguably technically accurate (i.e., where individuals have actually cast ballots for named candidates, Hillary has received more votes than anyone else), is actually meant to convey a highly inaccurate and misleading message; to wit: that to date this primary season, and considering all fair and legitimate contests, more voters have preferred Hillary to Barack.  That claim is demonstrably false and completely falls apart when you realize that the Clinton campaign is not counting any states where the voters' preferences were expressed in caucuses (Iowa, Nevada, Maine, Washington, and to some degree, Texas), but is counting those where Barack's name was not even on the ballot, in keeping with the Democratic party's position (Michigan), or where the candidates agreed not to campaign, again in keeping with the DNC's position (an agreement not kept in spirit by Hillary, see this article from The Nation for more).

This is as comical as one NFL team saying at the close of the regular season that it should be the division champion because it actually had more wins and a better winning percentage than the first place team . . . if you count the preseason.  Comical or not, however, this claim is certainly shameful.  It is made with the intention that it be blasted around the media, hopefully to filter down to the electorate unchallenged, and to germinate in the minds of millions of "low information" voters.  But, in the end, it is false and knowingly so.  

At this point, most of us know (or should know) that Hillary cannot win the battle for pledged delegates, and will likely never come close to winning the popular vote (which matters why, exactly?).  According to Slate.com's delegate calculator, if Hillary was to win every single remaining contest by a 60/40 margin, she would remain 68 pledged delegates behind Barack.  According to Real Clear Politics, Barack currently enjoys a 500,000-600,000-vote lead in the popular vote in states that count (a largley insurmountable lead considering the size of the remaining states with contests).  As such, Hillary's only hope is to win every last remaining state by heretofore unobtianable (by her, at least) margins, and convince at least 61% of the remaining 304 uncommitted superdelegates to ignore Barack's pledged delegate and pouplar vote advantages, and jump on her ship.  Personally, I cannot imagine a more destructive path to the nomination, or of any way more calculated to losing the general election.

This is no longer about Hillary in '08.  At this point, the campaign is being driven by Hillary and the rest of the DLC democrats to ensure that Barack emerges from the nominating process so damaged and so reduced in the esteem of the American people, that he loses the general election handily, and they can all claim victory over the progressive/liberal wing of the Democratic Party (e.g., "See what listening to the blogosphere or the traditional base gets you?!").  This is the machine that Barack talks about in his stump speech; this is the machine that until recently, brought us Joe Lieberman (and still, Bayh, Biden, Stabenow, Nelson (both), and Feinstein, among others); and this is the machine that constantly and consistently sells out the traditional base of the Democratic Party (see credit-card friendly Bankruptcy Reform Act).

I for one have had enough.  I am going to start calling and emailing those uncomitted superdelegates who might care what I have to say and tell them to get off the fence, for the good of the party.  And I'm not just going to say get off the fence, I'm going to ask them politely to declare their support for Barack -- even if they may want to wait to see what their constituents say -- because waiting to hear what their constituents might say is something the party cannot afford.  Mind you, I would not even suggest this if Hillary had some reasonable chance of actually securing the nomination through traditional, non-devisive means, but the bottom line is that she doesn't, and I don't even think she's in this anymore for the nomination (at least not this year).  We simply cannot afford to spend the next 3-4 months beating our candidates up and expect either of them to emerge strong enough to win the general election.

This isn't about the "heat of the kitchen" either.  Don't kid yourself, patronize others, or demean me by pretending that it is.  No Democratic candidate should have to defend him or herself against attacks from his or her own party that are of the type normally expected from the Republicans.  This is nonsense, and it has gone on long enough.     

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The MSM does it becuase it keeps their big story going for ratings. The party is walking a tight rope so as not to alienate her supporters for the GE, as is Obama. If she were anyone other than Bill Clinton's wife I don't think any of this would be taking place. Bill has so much pull becuase he been the only Dem. president(2 terms, at that)since Carter in 1976.

If only the MSM would see fit to use its powers for good instead of evil.

My husband mentioned a theory this morning that, as I've thought and thought about it throughout the day, seems pretty plausible - if unappealing.

He thinks that Hillary KNOWS she's not going to win. She now on a mission to be as destructive as possible, to make voters believe, although it's not true, that Obama can't win the GE ... without her on the ticket. Perhaps she's trying to force Obama to make her his VP running mate. Shudder.

It wouldn't be the first time we had a president and vice-president who hated each other.

I wish someone would point out that HILLARY is the one who isn't electible in the general election! She CAN'T WIN the African-American vote, the newly registered young people's vote, and the college-educated liberal's vote.

So there!

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Yes, she might be trying to extort Obama, that crossed my mind as well. She counts on him playing nice and not using her own methods against her.

Hillary has become completely destructive and she has a very good chance of sinking the Dem's prospects in November, regardless of whether she gets the nomination or not.

Basically it's a typical Democratic Party SNAFU: If the Republicans are too weak, let's destroy ourselves without their help.

Maybe another reason is she needs the money to get herself out of the hole. She will walk away with this making several hundred thousand off of the interest she earned from loaning her campaign 5 million. She raised 10 million in one day, but that's about how much she is in debt. She's gotta keep truckin!

This has become surreal. It is beyond belief that many think this is not harmful, last night on Charlie Rose Rahm Emanuel spoke about nothing to worry about. Strange how all the Clinton insiders feel that way. He was talking in circles.

Clinton, despite all facts, is possessed with the idea she & she alone is the savior.There is no one who will convince her of anything different. The only one who could, believes as she does.She is convinced Barack is stealing HER election.

Who knows what the supers are thinking, rumors flying all over, it's as if they are afraid of her.

This is one big mess!

Hillary is practically campaigning for her drinking buddy, John McCain. This plus her lies makes her the enemy.

Oh, the drinking buddy comment? Rad this story

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NYT_Senators_Clinton_McCain_held_vodkadrinking_0728.html

So what if Obama gets shot, and the blame falls onto some person of cause seen as 'conservative'?

IMO, Hillary defaults into the nomination, and the backlash sweeps her to victory in the general election.

That's an unsightly scenario to be bantered about. Must we go there?

Given the state of affairs between the two campaigns at this point, if something like that did happen to Barack, odds are that people would suspect the Clintons were behind it, fair or not. I was actually musing about this subject this morning. I think it would throw the convention into a truly brokered mode and that it would be more likely that John Edwards or Al Gore would become the nominee.

What is there to say? Hillary's an asshole. But I disagree that these right wing Democrats will lose us the election. If Obama loses, Hillary will be blamed and no one else, unless she campaigns her ass off for Obama.

"Essentially, the argument now is that more people have voted for Hillary than anyone else . . . a statement that while arguably technically accurate"

That, sir, is when your arguement ended. You admitted she was right. That you don't like that she is correct is understood. However, that you do not like the outcome does not change the outcome.

instead of constantly moving the goalposts about which voting metric should determine the winner (instead of the pre-agreed upon rules), maybe you could do like petraeus and declare that there are no goalposts.

You clearly miss the point of the post. Color me surprised and shocked.

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James Madison and Alexander Hamiliton explained the creation of constitutional America as a "compound republic." As part of their basic concept of dividing government powers among several competing sources, they meant by "compound republic" that in the selection of the nation's president all the various states (meaning their legislatures, congressional representatives, and governors) would hold their own presidential elections every four years, however they saw fit as long as legitimate, and the sum total of all these individual state elections would determine who won the presidency.

The Democratic Party, as presently constituted, essentially adheres to that same 50-state concept in its own total-delegate selection process for picking the Democratic Party's nominee. State parties decide for themselves whether to hold primaries, cuacuses, state-conventions, and/or any combination of them (Texas does all three). If any such thing as a "national popular vote" operated to pick the party's nominee, then all the 50-states could have held one "national primary" and chosen their nominee based upon the principle of "one person, one vote."

But the indidividual states never liked this idea of universal suffrage back in the late eighteenth century and they don't like it much better now. The various states and commonwealths of America want political consideration as individual entities in their own right and not simply as lines drawn on maps within which various numbers of equally weighed individual people -- otherwise indistinguishable -- happen to live. Americans can, of course, change this situation by amending the Constitution and becoming one nation at last, except for the recalcitrant opposition of smaller and/or sparsely populated states which very much refuse to give up their disproportionate political influence. So there we have matters as they stand today.

All candidates for national political office need to understand how America functions politically as a 50-state compound republic. Senator Obama seems to understand this -- as befits a constitutional scholar -- and his current insurmountable lead in pledged delegates confirms this. Senator You-Know-Her foolishly ignored this fundamental reality and the strategic -- not to mention historic -- blunder has resulted in her imminent defeat. In any event, trying to invent mythological "metrics" that ignore the complex political realities of the various 50 states does not recommend a person for the presidency of a compound republic. As well, agreeing to the rules for proportional delegate selection when this looked favorable but challenging those same rules when they favor another candidate (who has exploited them more effectively) smacks of illegitimacy, disrespect, and a desperate self-indulgence.

The sum total of the 50 individually selected state delegates will determine the Democratic Party's nominee for president. The so-called "superdelegates" will reflect this total, summary judgment. Senator Barack Obama will win because -- overall -- he deserves to do so. Senator You-Know-Her understandably refuses (at least in public) to acknowledge this reality. Irregardless of her increasingly strident claims to the contrary, this reality has bitten You-Know-Her; she has fallen; and she can't get back up again before the fat lady sings and the final curtain falls. Soon no more strutting and fretting her fifteen minutes upon the stage, bellowing sound and fury, signifying nothing.

news 10, you just reminded me of what Gerri F. said, if he was any one but, he wouldn't be here.

Probably not exactly Wright, but the best I can do when I'm having one of those MsBush moments.

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I have only six words to say. OK, that was six words already. Not it's 12. Now it's 15, or 14 and one number. Stop the insanity! This is what I wanted to say (in 6 words):

Your logo freaks me out.

Oops, that was 5 words. So sue me.

Adding "dude," "man," "fella," "bro," "sir," or any number of similar words at the end of your sentence would have solved your problem; as would adding "friggin'" before "logo," or "really" before "freaks." Just tryin' to help.

You clearly miss the point of the post. Color me surprised and shocked.

This was intended as a brief reply to Louisville1975 (see above)

Let's not forget that Hillary's claim to have been voted for by more people depends not only on estimates of caucus voting which have no basis in reality, but on counting the Michigan votes in her favor and ignoring the "uncommitted" votes which were not specifically cast for Barack or for John Edwards. Full details at RCP.

I just blogged on the same issues. You just have to vent.

cr1992:

One difference between my comment and what Ferraro said is that it is objectively true that Bill Clinton is the only Dem. president since Carter. As such, he is a highly influential figure in the party (maybe the MOST influential). The Benefits of sharing his name, his connections, and his influence with big donors and party insiders should be obvious.

Ferraro's comment was pure racist excuse making. No doubt, some are voting for Barack for ethnic reasons and no doubt some are voting against him for those same reasons. Ferraro stated flatly that being a black man was such a huge positive for him that it alone explains why he is defeating her. I've noticed that many Hillary supporters look to find reasons outside of her to explain why she is losing - they can't accept that the problem may simply be HER.

The title reminds me of McCarthy a little.

"Do you at long last have any decency? "


Ironically Clinton comes close to McCarthyism over her "concern" about anti-Americanism of Ayers and Wright, and "guilt by assocation". Sound familiar?

Observer2: That's the intent, and I think it's verbatim from the actual quote, which was: "Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

And just to clear up any confusion, they were spoken by Special Counsel for the Army, Joseph Welch, and directed toward Joe McCarthy. So when you say the title reminds you of McCarthy, it should, but not because McCarthy said them; rather, the intent is to remind all of us of McCarthy's destructive self-aggrandizing behavior.

The worst part is, she doesn't believe any of it. Like Obama pointed out, Bill commuted the sentences of two convicted Weatherman. She just says all this crap as part of her hyper-cynical tactics to take the nomination. The Clintons must be fans of Malcom X with their, "by any means necessary", tactics.

It is also myopic, if not mendacious, to suggest that only one candidate and only one campaign has gone negative and used underhanded tactics.

Both campaigns used sleazy robocalls in Pa. For months and months while Clinton was taking the high road and running a general election campaign during the primaries as the presumed nominee, Obama and his campaign attacked her on virtually every speech. The five year old war authorization vote was brought up at every speech instead of focusing on Clinton's plans, very similar to Obama's, for dealing with the situation.

The key meme, though, was the constant "code" that Clinton was an old hand, a long time politician. "You can't change Washington by sending the same people back in different positions." Many, many Obamaites can trace their intials misgivings about her to buyinbought into this.

Clinton supporters saw this attack (as clearly as the Obama supporters saw the "JJ won in SC also" statement as underhanded code) as code for "Clinton is part of the problem." It was code for "Clinton and Bush and Cheney and McCain" are equivalent. It was code for "Clinton won't really change anything." Watch the Russert moderated debate between Axelrod and Garin. Axelrod repeated the oft leveled charge that Clinton won't really change anything.

During the months and months that this went on, Obama got a free pass and Tweety and ObamaCentralNBC, scared that she would win early and spoil their fun and their ratings, railed at her constantly. To Clinton supporters this unfairness was as palpably obvious as the really unfair attacks on Obama last Friday.

So, for those of you who are fed up with her antics and feel she's some kind of anti-christ because she's played hardball after falling behind playing nice:

Grow up. Neither side is guiltless.

I have gone from a precinct committee chairperson who was a political junky who breathed Democratic Party politics to a cynical, dillusioned person who hates this primary cycle. I feel like poking an ice pick into my brain to make it stop. God save the USA!

Neither side being guiltless is not the same as saying one side has is predominantly guitly. I think, almost without exception, that Obamas negative attacks (not all) have been in response to some proactive attack by Hillay's campign. Many of those negative attacks have come straight out of her own mouth.

It is not a question of growing up. it is a question of clearly seeing and acknowledging reality. While there are two sides to any dispute that doesn't mean that both sides carry an equal weight of evidence.

That's just not true. He attacked her at every speech for months and months before the primary started. He played the "I'm more electable" card first by pointing out that he would have an easier time running against the rethuglican nominee because he "voted against the Bush war, while Clinton voted for it."

Do you not remember him saying way before the primaries even started that only he "offered hope" or only he "could bring the country together" or "you can't change Washington by putting long time Washington players into new positions?" Are these issue attacks? Are these constant attacks against Clinton things that he said in response to Clinton attacks? Or were they the core focus of his campaign from the very beginning? Is it not clear that his campaign has promoted a cleverly coded, thinly veiled anti-Clinton narrative from the very beginning?

And why is it that this message has gained little traction with older voters but found a very receptive audience in younger voters? Maybe it's because we've heard it all before. The anti-Washington, "I'm not from Washington, so I can go there and clean it up" meme is a constant in every election. Huckabee even used it this time. Richardson tried it also (albeit clumsily).

I got through your first paragraph. I'm not interested in your argument. I'll just say that Obama, aside from successfully shifting the blame for all of his own negativity to Clinton, has been going increasingly negative himself. I suspect you will see this trend continue. Prepare to be either increasing disillusioned or increasingly angry at Hillary.

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For Obama to respond to the negative ads that the Clintons have been inundating the airwaves with, is not negative within itself, it is common sense to defend ones position.

Unlike the Clintons trying to present their agenda, they would rather attack Obama. Is it me, or do the Clintons have nothing of substance to speak about?

It is very obvious that Hillary no longer cares about the Democratic Party, it is all about Hillary.
She is willing to win at all cost, even if it destroys the Democratic Party in the process.

In this campaign, we have seen the "true" character of Hillary and Bill, or should I say the lack of it.

I cannot believe I voted for him, twice. I suppose we all learn from our mistakes. I have.

If Obama can't win in November, but she can. Doesn't she owe it to us to try to win the nomination so that we can throw the fascists (or in McCain's case reactionaries) out of power.

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