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Thank you PBS for Humanizing Jeremiah Wright


   Watching Jeremiah Wright on PBS, I'm struck by how intelligent, godly and patriotic this man is. This man was a marine, he was in the military medical corps where he helped his fellow Americans. He obviously cares deeply about others, black folks as well as white. I think his criticisms of the US government is perfectly valid, criticism can be a sign of patriotism. He's right when he talks about Dr. King was vilified for his criticisms of the policies of the government in Vietnam and the plight of poor people in the US. I'm really impressed with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Moyers, what a great interview.

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You already saw it? I have to wait 5 minutes here.

YES HE WAS COMPLETELY HUMAN !

Hearing the lunacy repeated in decibles perceptible to my hearing confirmed the worst about this sad little man.

News Flash: Slavery ended before the invention of the light bulb. Go work on your $1.8 million dollar house, it will ease your pain.

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The small minded dribble of your comments in comparison to the clearly brilliant deep words of Reverend Wright is like a pile of vomit next to the Mona Lisa.

I liked that! lol. It really was an excellent interview. Rev Wright is a beautiful, kind, and spiritual man, only someone filled the the deepest hate could not see that.

Of course.

Anybody that wanted to know the truth already knew it though.

The media will keep spinning this, and take bits from the interview to keep it alive.

But Rev. Wright will keep speaking, and the truth will be harder and harder to ignore.

I was with you until the last sentence. But at the length truth will out is not itself true anymore.

Sizable proportions of the population still believe two of the pillars of the Iraq Fiasco: that Saddam Hussein was involved and that Al-Qaeda had a presence in Iraq.

The notion of a racist, crazy, anti-American Reverend Wright will never disappear from much of American culture.

Oh, and don't go to Bill Moyers' website and read the reactions. They will make you sad...

Oh, and CNN is spinning again.. Ugh...

wow. i have a totally different opinion of this man now. i may have to retract some mean things i said about him to other people. very intelligent guy.

thank you for being open minded.

please consider what else you might be mislead about.

the media coverage of Obama has been extremely unfair.

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He's great, isn't he? The press leads us to the polls by our noses. That is, unless we question everything they tell us.

It was a great interview in which they expanded the soundbites into actual coherent segments of his sermons. If people do not want to vote for Barack because of Jeremiah Wright, they will eventually get the leadership they deserve.

I also have just watched the interview and completely agree. It like when you listen to Obama. You can tell that truth is being spoken. I couldn't stop watching. In fact, Wright comes across so well that it is obvious that the MSM intentially caricatured him.

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One thing that immediately occurred to me when Wright was talking about Dr. King's legacy and about how the media tried to push away the parts they didn't like, is that Barack Obama MUST know that Reverend Wright is going to hold him to a higher standard. And if he doesn't make good on his campaign promises, the good Reverend will be right there in his face to remind him of what he said during the campaign. And I think perhaps that's good evidence that Obama's the real deal. You can't possibly bullshit a guy like Reverend Wright. Not when he brought you to religion and married you to your wife and baptized your babies. Barack Obama will not let America down because he will not let Reverend Wright down.

Some of Wright's comments were very insightful.

INSIGHTFUL INDEED

Learning from the Rev that the US Govt (dominated by rich white people) introduced AIDS/HIV as a means of controlling the AA population was revolutionary thinking. But not particularly "insightful".


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Have you ever heard of the Tuskogee Experiments? The ones where they let men with syphilis go untreated so they could research the stages? Do you know what dying of syphilis is like? It eats the brain up.

Do you have any real knowledge of the history of this country or not?

It's not like these ideas originated in thin air, for god's sake.

There is a real basis for the paranoia cause like NWA says: "Surprise, n******s!" They have been out to get you.

Obese Jesus on a KrispKream Donut!!!!!! Like we just invited African Americans over here for tea and they liked it so much they stayed?

Goddamn the arrogance of white privilege never ceases to utterly amaze me.


The density level emanating from your post is frightening.

Wright was talking about AIDS, not the syphilis experiments. Do you think is ok to make something up out of hatred or revenge? Do you think it is OK for this man to constantly brainwash the children of that church and turn them against their country?

Oh yeah, you do.

What will this accomplish? Forty years from now you'll have another batch of Rev Wright's out there inventing new conspiracies and the people of the church will still be mired in resentment, hostility and grievance.

Maybe some white racists can be shamed into changing. But they're not going to be changed by lies and outrageous accusations.

You appear to be ignorant of the fact that the primary way HIV/AIDS is spread in the Black community is through heroin addicts sharing needles and Rev. Wright's thesis was the suspicion that the war on drugs seems to have missed the African American communities except busting young black men for dealing recreational drugs. Where does all that heroin come from dugan49? Ever seen an African American making drug deals in Afghanistan? I've only seen black servicemen there.

HISTORY AT YOUR CONVENIENCE

You rightly point out that I am ignorant of history and the story behind how the Tuskegee airmens malady mysteriously manifested itself as AIDS.

This would also explain why 70% of AA males walk out on their families. It is the geenyus of our Govt. and the fiction you apply to it.

laughing uncontrolably
RenStimpy

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The paranoia and fear emanating from your posts, and from a couple of the other spammers who've suddenly shown up here and elsewhere, is thick enough to cut with a knife.

Relax. Black people are really not going to do anything bad to your woman. Someone's been lying to you. It's OK, though. You can recover, but you do have to stop drinking first.

THEY CAN HAVE THE WOMEN IT'S THE OTHER HORRORS !

Do you not realize what they will do to our White House! "Velvet Shaft" where Adams once hung!!

Stretch Air Force One. Pimp Da Ride Motorcade!
Nelly, Kanye and Busta in cabinet posts!

And you know they be pimpin bowling!

pity da foo
Dr. USofKKKA

Careful. You're starting to sound really crazy, now.

Are the voices in your head getting louder? Do you answer them yet? Do you feel like you can't help but do what they say?

Get help before you do something really awful.

When people who actually saw that interview, read your posts It makes you look like a wild eyed raving maniac. Your small minded petty insults sound like the braying of and Ass in light of the wise, humble words of Rev. Wright. Whereas someone like Rev. Wright put himself on the line for his country and his community, you get online and spread ignorance and hate.

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Yes vote your conscience, not your fear that makes you hate people who don't look like you.


Enough bullshit out of the KKK.

KKK : THE BREAKFAST OF WHINERS

Tena:
You speak authoritatively on the ravages of syphilis and how it dines upon your brain. Judging from your howling my prognosis is you are in it's advance stages.


Please see the nurse before leaving
Dr. Stupid

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Does your doctor know you've gone off the meds? It's not a good idea. They're there to help you. Use them.

"MED'S" CLICHE MAKES STUNNING COME BACK!!

In a display of near posting interest a young "flamer" from Pa demonstrated insipid promise in his flatulent discharge of the "gone off med's" cliche. Both his friends yawned their approval.

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I just watched the show and have even more respect for Obama for associating himself with such a thoughtful, interesting, and perceptive man like Rev Wright. Clinton should be ashamed of herself for suggesting that Obama walk out of Wright's church. It would help if next time--before she opens her mouth (or before she casts a vote for war)--she bothers to get the facts. Wright isn't someone to be rejected. Quite the contrary, he has much interesting to say and much most Americans should hear.

Thank you Bill Moyer. I'm sending money tonight to Obama and to PBS. Two good things about America.

Quoting to emphasize --

Please, folks, if this primary season is your first experiment in donating, give NPR and PBS your attention. They are both extremely worthy causes because both traffic in making knowledge accessible, and I think they're often forgotten about (in spite of seemingly incessant fund raising drives).

Both NPR and PBS used to receive much greater funding from taxpayers, but the funds were stripped out of the federal budget as money for the National Endowment for the Arts, National Endowment for the Humanities and other project were deemed "left-wing" and "too controversial" by the Christian conservative right and the Republicans. How sad that things that foster intelligent discussion and insight are too controversial for America.

A couple of other brief things: PBS didn't "humanize" Rev. Wright. He always was fully human. What Moyers did was what any real journalist would have -- should have -- done: bring the story and the man into focus and context.

When we settle for the crap that is put forth as not only "reporting" but "analysis" and "opinion" by the MSM, we get the coverage we deserve: Pat Buchanan's and Sean Hannity's spittle and the regurgitation of the same Pablum by the rest of the all-talking-but-no-thinking heads.

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Um - PBS seems to be recovering somewhat from being under the iron thumb of Lynn Cheney, but you know that even PBS was exchanging personnel with Fox during the last 8 years.

I quit giving to them for that reason.

But if PBS is really going to be PBS, then I'll supporting them again.


WHAT, BIG BIRD DIDN'T PERSUADE YOU?

I thought you tuned out because Mr. Rogers dropped dead. But it was Darth Vadars chick that drove you away. Can you find it in your heart to forgive us?


Sincerely
PBS Mgmt.

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What do you have against Christians and Christianity? Are you a pagan? Are you an atheist?

You must be a Republican, then.

ACTULLY I'M AN ASPARAGUS WITH A UTERUS RISING

What sign are you big boy?


BTW: Did you donate your spare "Change We Can Believe In" so Michelle Obama can get those piano lessons for the kids?

I cannot tell you how furious I am right now. Every time I hear peaople in the media discussiong Jeremiah Wright they have nothing good to say about the man. His sermons were the truth.

Again, if these people undermine Barack, they will regret it under John McCain. This is a guarantee. The same way people are looking back and wishing that Gore or Kerry actually won, this will be bigger. The republicans are setting the stage for a bleak American future.

"American thought and American politics will be largely at the mercy of those who operate these stations, for publicity is the most powerful weapon that can be wielded in a republic. And when such a weapon is placed in the hands of one person, or a single selfish group is permitted to either tacitly or otherwise acquire ownership or dominate these broadcasting stations throughout the country, then woe be to those who dare to differ with them. It will be impossible to compete with them in reaching the ears of the American people."
— Rep. Luther Johnson (D.-Texas), in the debate that preceded the Radio Act of 1927

We need the Fairness Act back in place so that everyone has the opportunity to defend themselves or at least the other side of an issue is presented in an unbiased manner.

Great quote. But what we really need is Mao.

Problem is that we'll never get anything back in place until we get rid of them first, a classic Catch 22. We are fortunate the have the Internet this year, the only thing keeping Barack in this race.

I think what we happen is that TV will remain unrepentant and hyper-partisan for corporate interests. Web access will explode as wireless broadband becomes ubiquitous. TV will continue to be assholes even as all their viewers move to new on-line media distribution outlets, entertainment and news.

TV & Radio will die well-deserved deaths as the Internet (or whatever it turns into) becomes the medium of choice, probably within the next 10 to 20 years.

That's when things will really start to get interesting.

What good has Wright had to say about the United states of America? He wants the church school to focus on 'white supremacy' as the main topic to be taught to the children. What is this going to do for kids other than make them hostile, resentful people?

Race relations and civil rights have improved, and continue to improve all the time. This constant 24/7 race grievance approach is doomed and will destroy Barack Obama if he does not get out from underneath it.

Barack made the mistake of hiding Wright away. The right plan of attack is to get him out in interviews front and center. He is a very bright man who can rationally debate anybody who is willing and not simply looking for a gotcha soundbyte.

It's almost too bad that Obama has distanced himself from Wright - but he had to do it and I'm sure Wright understands as much.

The only way to diminish the effect of the Wright youtube remarks is to expose him to the masses to the point where everybody will see he is so much more than what the MSM, GOP and Clinton Camp want you to believe he is.

I wouldn't want someone telling me to go to interviews because it's good for their PR. I wouldn't ask someone else to do it for my own gain.

Rev. Wright will do what he wants to do. As any man should.

I agree, Jonze --

While I knew more about Wright than the average person -- having read Obama's "Dreams from My Father" (best memoir ever) -- this interview was astounding. Rev. Wright is truly a gifted, deeply gentle and nuanced individual who has positively effected this atheist in a way that spiritual people rarely do. I can see how Obama, a religious skeptic when he sought out Wright for secular nut-and-bolts advice about the people in the neighborhood, found God through Wright.

What has been done to that good man's sermons through cruel sound-bites is incredibly tragic. Too bad the interview was on PBS, on Bill Moyers, at 10:00 pm on a Friday night.

Too bad Obama himself didn't give Rev. Wright a proper re-introduction to America.

Look, Obama is not running for theologian-in-chief or racial-healer-in-chief.

He responded to the public persona that was created out of Rev. Wright's comments.

And I applaud him for thinking we can move beyond some of the divisions that Rev. Wright still sees as "part of America".

He IS the next generation. That's why he has such appeal even to those that would be skeptical of Wright.

It's important to keep these people separate.

Wright, for all his brilliance and kindness, would be too "controversial" or "polarizing" to run for president. As were Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

But Obama's outlook is where we all ought to be heading. Actively look for what unites us instead of what divides us. Work hard to avoid any divisive attitudes.

This doesn't mean forget history or ignore current injustice. It means realizing and reminding everybody that we all have an interest in each other's well being.

Obama couldn't have explained Wright. Wright can explain himself. And Obama should continue to say what he's been saying: that there's opportunity to make even further progress.

This is playing out well, as well as I expected it to. It was smart to wait a bit for the edge to dull a little on that fabricated persona FOX made up. By November, anybody that wants to listen will have ample opportunity to listen and understand why Barack settled in that church. And that's the best we can hope for.

The truth is out there. That's the best thing about Barack. Whether it's lies about what his pastor is about, or what that energy bill was about, or about what Ayers repented or didn't repent about, the truth is out there and easily verifiable.

Rev Wright has a paper trail of comments that makes any 're-introduction' of him fruitless, and incredibly dangerous for Obama. Wright is beyond rehabilitation in the eyes of any but the most dedicated Obama kool aid drinkers.

I think you are SO wrong, truthful exposure to Rev. Wright like the Bill Moyer's interview will trump the lies of the twisted snippets that have been created to distort the truth about this devout and most intelligent man. Truth will always eventually prevail over lies while the blind by ignorance will sadly be blind and ignorant forever!

Wright was disastrous on Hannity.

Hannity did not "interview" the Reverend. Hannity conducted a shoutfest. There is a difference. To "interview" you need to have give and take, a "conversation." Hannity is incapable of that. There is no commparison between Bill Moyers and Sean Hannity. It is assinine to even attempt to compare the two.

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Hannity is a walking talking disaster, for all love.

Jeeeeeeeeeezuz.

Hannity has deep, deep ties to several major White Supremacist. He really needs to shut up. It is time for him to be exposed, and for to denounce and repudiate.

"Barack made the mistake of hiding Wright away. The right plan of attack is to get him out in interviews front and center. He is a very bright man who can rationally debate anybody who is willing and not simply looking for a gotcha soundbyte."

You have got to be kidding. Barack Obama won't even answer the question as to whether or not he believes in Black Liberation Theology. If they open up the whole can of worms that is Rev Wright , Obama couldn' get elected dogcatcher.

One can easily see from blogs like this that there are a lot of people on the left who are insulated and isolatedfrom reality.

In an AOL poll with over 100,000 responders last I saw it, 93% say the issue has hurt Obama, and 60% say it has hurt him badly.

An AOL poll? Obama's doomed!

I'm sending Hillary Clinton $200 and buying a plane ticket so I can canvas for her in Indiana. Thank you, AOL, for showing me the error of my ways!

If enough people flooded CNN with phonecalls and emails asking that they stop slandering a person's character, they'll stop.

They might even start reporting the news.

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Thank you Bill Moyers and Rev. Wright for an interesting hour. Wright is very engaging and has some excellent insights to share. Further, his words in context make great sense. Clearly, Clinton is happy with the uninformed race-baiting from her campaign. Win at any cost, bitch!

I was appalled at the treatment led off by John King on CNN at 10 pm. He obviously intended to slam the Moyers' presentation from the start. It was almost as if he hadn't heard it in its entirety. He may not have as he was preparing his talking points for the show.

I believe that anyone who can attach any substantive criticism to Obama after hearing the whole Moyers Journal is intellectually dishonest. I suspect, also, that racism is a large part of their view.

I'm not sure at all that responsible news-reporting has a chance any more. It will take more than a flood of e-mails to change the attitude at CNN who seems to want to out-Fox FoxNews.

I was unsure of what to expect from this interview. The people who continue to spin the words of Rev. Wright refuse to listen. It was very informative. I am glad he broke his silence and I hope he continues to speak. I hope people can start focusing on dealing with the issues we face in 2008 and beyond.

I am sure he is a very intelligent person. And even though many extremists are also very intelligent, I am sure he is not an extremist either. Character assassinations are so easy these days.

I never was offended by Rev. Wright. I don't think America is so weak that we need to feel threatened by criticism. The Republicans are running the same GOP strategy: wrap yourself in the flag and yell "unpatriotic, radical, elitist"--and connect your opponent somehow to the 60s. Sadly, Clinton has learned the GOP tactics well. But I really think voters are more informed now, through the internet and education, and these tactics are becoming archaic, pre-information age.

Rev. Wright was charming, erudite and explained himself beautifully. I'm glad he's coming out and speaking out in self-defense. I'm glad he's doing it now, as the NC Repuke's get ready to air that hate loaded ad.

I hope superdelegates were watching. This may alleviate some of the fears about those Rev. Wright attack ads the GOP plans to roll out.

Do you believe you are being objective? This isn't a sarcastic question-- I am genuinely interested because I didn't see the interview.


It seems like it is enough to blaspheme the national religion, and nothing can atone for this.

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Take the time to track down the full transcript or if you really are curious buy the DVD from the Moyers website.

Seeing is believing. Part of your duty in a democracy is to make sure that you are informed. Don't take CNN's, MSNBC's or my word. Track down the transcript or DVD yourself.

Or download the podcast:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/podcast.xml

Go to the bottom of the page, right-click, Save link as, and left click on Save to download it.

For an added treat, the second item on the page is the podcast of the interviews Moyers did with Jon Stewart and Josh Marshall in April 2007. Or see it here:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04272007/profile2.html

I'm not sure where you are coming from so I'll say this: I am totally serious. I am being objective. Dismiss me if you wish. Rev. Wright said things about America that are true. Patriotism is not to be equated with willful blindness to acts that are committed by one's country. America has a long list of sins--this should not come as news to anyone--it is just that a black man shouldn't be caught talking about them to what is perceived to be a room full of black people. Also, don't raise your voice at the same time! Taking the title "black liberation theology" and using it to frighten white america--to taint people against someone who is running for the highest office in the land while unjustly smearing an innocent for political points--is just another sin to be added to the list.

"Taking the title "black liberation theology" and using it to frighten white america--to taint people against someone who is running for the highest office in the land while unjustly smearing an innocent for political points--is just another sin to be added to the list."

Rev Wright is not innocent, he is a racist. I will give him credit for trying to help his people, but he has done far more harm than good, unless the only 'good' you're after is the creation of perpetual grievance and unceasing resentment.

I don’t know how "objective" you wish for us to be LBP, but I’ll try.

It seems like it is enough to blaspheme the national religion, and nothing can atone for this.

Wright took some of his more egregious statements – eg – chickens coming home to roost, GD America, etc -- which were loooped and replayed by MSM (to the orgasmic pleasure of the likes of Weaver and Fux Noise) and placed them within a larger historical-religious narrative. The larger narratives he addressed -- historical as in American, and religious as in Biblical, Old and New. He talked about the religion of the dominant group and the religion of the dispossessed and how the two, by necessity have different views and values.

As for atonement, well, you might be right. O’really was having none of it and neither was that scumbag on CNN. I hope people watched it for themselves instead of depending on Fox or CNN to slice and dice it.

Um, "blaspheme the national religion"? To what national religion are you referring?

I started to respond to "littleblackpeople's" comment, then I noticed the idiocy posted down below by Mr. Weaver.

Why bother. These are people who feel it more productive to curse the darkness rather than light a candle.

Let us leave them to it.

Sorry... the individual in question is actually "littleblackpropaganda".

My mistake.

No offense intended-- I noticed that you couched your assessment in conditional phrases like "I hope superdelegates," and "may alleviate some of the fears." So, I wanted to see which way you were breaking-- for the hopes and mays to go for Obama or against him.

How about another take on this?

Besides tonight’s PBS appearance and his speech at the National Press Club Monday morning (to be aired on C-Span at 9 a.m. ET) — Wright is speaking Sunday morning at a Dallas church and that afternoon at an NAACP event in Detroit, I hear. That totals FOUR appearances in a four-day time period. That is a full-fledged MEDIA TOUR.

I have some thoughts about why Rev. Wright HIMSELF is SEEKING to dominate the news, no matter the fallout or blowback to Barack Obama:

FOREMOST: I believe that Rev. Jeremiah Wright is deeply ANGRY with Barack Obama.

Obama has dismissed him, repudiated him, but also done so in the most milquetoast way — what with all of his uncomfortable hemming and hawing - that Rev. Wright couldn’t help but be angered, and even more insulted.

SECONDLY: Rev. Wright clearly has a HUGE ego. He has great PRIDE. He also CRAVES attention. And he is a PERFORMER extraordinaire.

He is therefore incapable of toeing the line, and staying quiet while Barack Obama awkwardly, limply, and inarticulately repudiates him, and never definitively speaks his mind about his 20-year association with Wright.

He is so vain and self-aggrandizing that his own need to prove himself to the world-at-large outweighs ANY consideration of how he might harm Obama’s candidacy.

THIRDLY: I think that Rev. Wright realizes — and has probably realized for some time — that Barack Obama’s SOLE reason for relating to him and attending his church was for his own POLITICAL gain.

Rev. Wright sees that Obama used him.

Nobody likes to be used.

To Barack Obama, Rev. Wright was merely a tool. And now that he’s an embarrassment to Obama, Rev. Wright feels slighted and publicly humiliated.

People with big egos especially do not handle public humiliation well.

And a man with a huge ego and a big need for affirmation — and obsequious praise — detests being used more than most people.

THAT is why Rev. Wright expressly called Barack Obama a “politician.”

Wright’s use of the term “politician” was a “dig” at Obama. It was meant to demean Obama for the humiliation that Wright has suffered.

I wish the noted psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer, a Washington Post columnist as well as Fox News analyst, were around to check with. But I think some of this may be true.

Do any of the rest of you want to “shrink” the Rev. Wright?

By SusanUnPC Rev. Wright “On The Couch” [UPDATED]

Plain and simple, Reverend Wright is bad news for Obama. Bad news, too, for the Democratic party if they don't use this as an opportunity to dump Obama.

Matthew
TheProblemWithObama.com

If I were Wright, I would speak up too. He doesn't have to carry water for anyone. It wouldbe nice if he would, but he doesn't have to. He is a reverand, and he did his Job delivering Barack to God. He has his own name and reputation to protect. He built it up over 40 years. Why should he hide and be thought of as a lesser person in the eyes of the nation? Barack didn't throw him under the bus for reasons that are his own. Perhaps that Rev. Wright stands up for himself eloquently and bravely is one of them.

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Susan Hu? You're kidding, right?

Charles Krauthammer,

You're kidding right?

Really, Matt? You quote some idiot psycho-analyzing on some blog as reason that Obama must have it bad?

I don't want to know what you're on these days.

But if you want to push nonsense, at least push nonsense like this.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html

It'll serve whoever the Dem nominee is better. Anybody would be better than McCain, right?

Anybody would be better than McCain, right?

um, not for Grandpapy Weaver. He's lookin' to vote for someone white.

Weaver, screw you! Get some help for your twisted sick soul! Hate=ignorance.

Just plain wrong, Weaver. Your racism is out of control. And you are utterly tone deaf. Reading Wright's comments, you could anticipate there might be some innuendo in his references to Obama as a politician, but hearing Wright, there is not even a hint of negativity or insinuation in his voice. But you're too filled with hate to recognize that. The guy could've raised Lazarus from the dead in front of the camera and you'd say he probably murdered him first so he could pull off a cheap stunt.

You should really spend more times with your babies, maybe they'll teach you a thing or two...

Matt, quick word of advice:

Please let your friends know that using caps is very revealing. It shows that you are trying to sensationalize. Now, not all people know this, but people who scream for attention in that way are largely tuned out of the collective mind. They become self-inflicdedly irrelevant - just another fanatic.

I have nothing against a serious discussion with conservatives, but stick with reasoned logic, not OMG WRIGHT IS A BAD PERSON!!!! Try to build an argument that is founded on something, and do it without the screams.

Ah, yes, I too wish that the neoconservative Krauthammer would weigh in. And possibly the noted Karl Rove and the noted Sean Hannity. Their insights into the human mind have always been striking and so very bias-free.

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Why is it you Hillary supporters all have such weird haircuts? You have that poodley-lookin' thing on the front of your head, and Larry Johnson looks like Moe Howard. Nothing against it, but it's just something I've noticed. Must be a generational thing...

Are you anti-Christian, too? How sad.

You're politicizing the word of the Lord.

You're going to hell.

DO YOU SUPPOSE SATAN HAS AN EXTRA OPENING?

I mean if that is where I can get some time off from you it might be btter than Cabo!

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I was spellbound watching the interview. The way this man has been portrayed is sick and shameful.
All the weeks of hysteria ABOUT THIS?!

A couple of things Reverend Wright said keep whirling around in my head;

"different=deficient" and in referring to how many in the public digest the media spin;
"I don't want to think, tell me what to think."

There was nothing hateful or untruthful in anything he said. Incredible unjust portrayal of this man. Horrible.

excellent interview.
open minded individuals who see it will think highly of wright.

I guess one has to live in a neighborhood such as the South side of Chicago to understand from whence Rev. Wright preaches. I did. Where were these men in my neighborhood. Many of the young black men I grew up with may have lived had they had a church like Trinity.

Do tell!

Don't know if "Do Tell!" is being snarky or not.

But I will say that one of the interesting moments was when you saw some of the young men in the church -- footage from an earlier special on the church -- being paired with men in the congregation who were in the professions these teens were interested in pursuing. We do emulate what we see.

You can always count on Bill Moyers! I am agnostic, and it was easy to see why Obama felt the need to be baptized, almost felt the spirit m'self.

I knew about the full context of the "chickens have come home to roost" sound-bite loop (he was quoting an American ambassador and the overall message was -- this was on Sept. 16, 2001 -- People, do not fall to the temptation of revenge).

But what I hadn't yet heard before was the full sermon with the "God damn America" line. That was beautiful. Truly. He was talking about all the governments through history that failed because they thought they were greater than God. And the phrase "God damn America" was conditional: "God damn America IF it thinks it is greater than God."

I'm an atheist, and I want to know: Who doesn't believe that? Does that statement actually offend anybody? Does Hillary and all the right-wingers actually believe that America is greater than God, and screw anyone who says it isn't?

Sickening what people have done to this man, just so that they can bring down Barack Obama. Obama is running for president; he should expect smears. But Rev. Wright is an innocent in this fight.

Does Hillary and all the right-wingers actually believe that America is greater than God, and screw anyone who says it isn't?
Yes.

It's sad what's become of No Quarter. It's basically a hate site now.

Do tell!


Well, the first 18 years of my life was spent in the projects. The projects are the notorious housing units (apartments) built by the government in the fifties and sixties to deal with growing African American population which moved North to seek jobs. Imagine the ninth ward in New Orleans before and after Katrina. It was low income housing and every thing that come with it: crime, under funded schools, drugs and any social-ill one can imagine in the United States.

When I was growing up, I never thought about it this way. It was home. It was familiar. It was ninety-five percent black. The projects were (when I think back on it) was next to paint factory. I was recently researching a specific incident that happen in my neighborhood and found that this paint company was warned several times by the city that they were admitting hazardous chemicals in the air.

This paint factory was right next to the elementary school I attended. There was always a foul odor in the air. Reading the articles and looking back, I wonder why the paint company incessantly polluted the air? It just seems like they were warned but it didn't matter.

While I was looking up this information, I spotted a few articles about crimes that happen on the street I lived on in the projects. As I look back, I don't believe that these crimes happened so close to the place I laid my head at night. I don't remember the killings. I thank my family for protecting me for the nastiness of life in the projects.

My elementary school is brick building and when I went to visit home, it seemed so small. In this and brick schoolhouse, I spent my first six years surround by my family and a majority of black people. The principal and a majority of the teachers were at my school were black. So black people were the center of my world. A world which included my family, the school and my church. I didn't really know or have relationship with a white person until I went to the second year of middle school. For me, they were people on television. This was the only experience I had with white people.

After leaving elementary, I attended an all-black middle school. This school was about five miles from my apartment in the projects. I had to walk every day which was always an adventure. On the way, there were always men who stood on the corners. I didn't know what to make of them. I
didn't understand the concept of being unemployed as well as under-employed. All I knew is that
they just held down the corner while I was coming and going to school. I looked at the men on the corner. I looked at the sadness in their faces.
I didn't want to become them even though they looked like me. They were a grown up version of me. It wasn't a problem, I thought so long as I attended school. I wouldn't fall into this trap. These men where like ghost that no one saw or cared about. They were the people who my mother told me I would become if I didn't stay in school.

This scared me along with one, just one gun fight I witnessed on the way home one day. I asked my mother if I could transfer to a school in a neighborhood which didn't have so much violence and was near her place of employmemt. She didn't like the idea at first but I convinced her that I was afraid. She finally allowed me to sign-up for a transfer. I went through the process of transferring but before it happened, the school district decided to de-segregate the whole school system. It was about 1978 and some white parents in the suburbs protested the school systems decision. They didn't want us to come their neighborhoods even though we where just going to school. They had the better funded schools. They had the newest schools which happen to be part and parcel of the same school system.

Despite the white parents being upset, we left our neighborhood to go to schools in the city's suburbs. Some the white students were bused to the inner city schools. Wow! They had everything. A functioning library, a gymnasium and teachers who taught with current teaching materials. I didn't know this world existed.

Despite going to a de-segregated school, even though my mother worked, my family remained in the projects. The longer we remained in the projects the more I understood how to different peoples in one country could have so much disparity in one country. This is the time in my life I knew we were poor. The houses we passed everyday on the way to and from reminded me that our neighborhood was in a poor condition. It seemed like no one cared that we lived in these conditions. It made me feel like I was in prison. A prison with economic bars to keep us in.

While riding the bus, I still saw those men on the corner. This was so depressing. It was depressing because there were no jobs in our neighborhood. If this happened to them, then what was going to happen to me? I don't remember that paint factory hiring anyone from the projects. I never saw black men come from its gates. This was the time in my life when I wanted to work. I tried everything to get a job. I even tried to go through government programs and they said, NO! It was so depressing because I was slowly but surely becoming those men on those street corners despite going to school. I was frustrated. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to escape this situation.

It was and is still depressing. It was the reason some of the people I knew then are dead today. I know they are dead because I went back to ask about them. The answer is always the same.

Thank you for this post.

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Thank you for opening up and sharing that.


Thank you for the post.

Notice how he changed his face and voice when saying "the jews killed jesus" so it could not be taken out of context and used against him. Sad that he has to go to that extreme.

A very great interview overall. I learned a lot about a person I did not have much of an opinion on previously. Very insightful person.

You people are unbelievable.

Rev. Wright has accused whites of "killing outright" members of the "talented tenth" of the black community. He has accused whites of creating the AIDS virus as an act of genocide against blacks. He says blacks that died in Katrina were "murdered" by the government response.

Rev. Wright is a racist. His ministry exists for the purpose of psychologically separating blacks from the rest of America.

Hiding your heads in the sand will not help Obama in this. He needs to leave that church before the issue destroys his cahances to win in November.

There isn't a chance that this issue will go away.


Barack Obama is in a lose-lose situation as regards TUCC. Either he was sleeping in the pews for 20 years or he has heard Wright speak like this (anti-American, anti-white) many times. Considering that Obama attended the Million Man March with Wright in 1995, we can easily deduce that Obama has known about Wright's beliefs from the beginning.

The President Of The United States must not be a member of a racially divisive church. What a bad example that would be! in so many ways.

The media has failed to inform the American public as to the nature of Wright's ministry. He fosters racial resentment and hopelessness amongst his congregation.

No candidate other than an African American could ever survive membership in a racist church.

He fosters racial resentment and hopelessness amongst his congregation.
Do you have a source for this? A link or citation? Were you there?

YOU foster racial resentment and hopelessness.

The President Of The United States must not be a member of a racially divisive church. What a bad example that would be! in so many ways.

So are you demanding some kind of religious test for President? It has to meet your standards? Can it be segregated? All-white? Cause that is exactly where your past white Presidents of the United States have been since -- oh, 1787... the lily-white pews of racially divided -- and divisive -- churches.

Churches that took their sweet time to come to grips with the reality that slavery was wrong then and economic slavery is wrong today. Churches that encouraged their members to remain segregated, who created segregated schools, who preached God Bless America (meaning all the white people), who forgave white folks for lynching black folks -- not in the 1800s but in my lifetime.

Churches who, in the 1970s and 1980s told parents in South Boston it's okay to throw rocks at and fight and spit on black children and their parents getting on school buses to go to schools in their neighborhood. And prevent their white children from getting on buses to go schools in Roxbury and Dorchester. Are those the "racially divisive" churches you mean?

Do you want to stop at "racially divisive" or do you want to include those that hate gays, or Catholics or Jews or Muslims? Should a president belong to those? Should he seek the endorsement of those who blame a hurricane on a gay parade?

Where the hell do you draw the line? Or is it just because you don't like Barack Obama's church? A black church. Filled with scary black people.

Get over yourself.

Thank you for your post, I think you are proving to the rest of us that America fosters racism for those who do not attend Rev Wright's church. Our sadness is that you will most likely never see that fact.

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You want to talk about really disgusting hateful language about AIDs?

How many white "men of God" have said that AIDs is sent from God as a curse on homosexuality? Not above several dozen. How many straight Americans have you heard make really coarse accusations and/or jokes, about where AIDs really came from and what it's about, in reference to gays and lesbians? I've heard hundreds.

Spare me the fake outrage here. It's bullshit and it's plain how bullshit fake it is.


Get outraged about something real - like Bill and Hillary Cinton back in court in LA charged with fraud. In fundraising.

That's actually something real.


Wright proved himself to be as thoughtful and incisive as I assumed he would be.

The full context of the Chickens Come Home to Roost line (which many Americans will associate with Malcolm X) was the US ambassador Peck. In the CIA, they call 9/11 blowback. What's the difference? Lincoln invoked the same logic in the Gettysburg Address when he said that Americans would pay in war for every drop of blood spilled during slavery.

I don't expect most voters will see the interview and, sadly, most would not understand the texture of Wright's thought. Clearly it has escaped King and company who now have a new story line to pursue.

But the day after the interview, I find nothing in the NY Times putting the Wright story in its fuller context. And on the bottom of the editorial page, the editors castigate NC Republicans for their new ad but nonetheless remind us that they concluded Wright's oratory was racist.

If only more people read TPM!

Absolutely! Jeremiah Wright is a saint! Let's run him in campaign ads across the nation. I say he should share the ticket with Obama. Obama/Wright. Now THERE'S an unbeatable combination!!!

Transcendent. Thank you, thank you and thanks again, Bill Moyers. I was born and raised in the Mississippi Delta as a Southern Baptist. The summer before my senior year in high school, Emmett Till was murdered. I have seen a lot of history and am now settled comfortably into a life of secular humanism and it works for me. Yet when heard Jeremiah Wright explain his work in the church and the application of his own Christian philosophy to the purpose of human fulfillment and justice, for just a moment, I suspended disbelief and wondered, "Am I one too?"

Sadly, this also reminds me that politics can empower the many while it diminishes the politician. I greatly admire and respect Obama and thought his "A More Perfect Union " speech was masterful, but I deeply believe that the most moral response would have been to praise and defend Rev. Wright. However, I realize that choice could have been made only at the expense of his candidacy. This of course, is why Ghandi and ML King did not and should not have ever run for office.

I have always admired Bill Moyers deeply, so it was a feast to watch these two fine people interact and reveal their rich inner lives.

Peace&solidarity,
Gramsci 08

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Since you took the time to post I assume that despite the tone of your remarks you wish to be intellectually respectable . So to begin with you ought to read Martin Marty's article in the Journal of Higher Education and see whether if affects your thinking. Just google it.

For myself, I think that not only can one distinguish between Wright's various positions but that that's the price of admmission into a serious discussion.

o His comment about the Government deliberately inflicting AIDS on Blacks seems stupid on its face altho I'd like to hear the context.The Tuskegee experiment in itself is not sufficient as a justification.

oThe Government's performance after Katrina was so inexplicable that the use of "murder" was justified (I heard Chertoff's interview on NPR when he denied there were thousands marooned at the Convention Center at a time that was showing non stop on the TV).Sean Penn in a rented motorboat may have saved more people than Brownie's organization.Senator McCain's comments
seemed not that far from Rev. Wright's

o"God Damn America was completely justified in the context of his sermon describing how all Governments do bad things ( in our case the Trail of Tears and treatment of the Nisei are admitted examples) and when when they do it is simply wrong to say "God Bless...my country")Should Pastor Neimoller have said God Bless Adolph Hitler? Ministers are supposed to condemn sin not bless it and the illustrations Wright gave were all sins.

o I'll pass on "the talented tenth". Others might want to respond on that.

St. Bernards, an 85% white parish just east of New Orleans, received less help from the government after the hurricane hit than New Orleans did. The same is true for other 'white' areas in the region.

Wright say the black hurricane victims were murdered. What were the whites that died? Suicides.

Rev. Wright is a race grievance SOAKED individual, and it has destroyed a good part of his better judgement.

There are many conspiracu theories about the genesis of AIDS, but why would someone create a disease or a plague that could also destroy the creator?

Rev. Wright wrote in a church publication that Israel, with US help, was working on a bomb that would only kill blacks and Africans. That is the level of honesty you are dealing with in this man.

And you people are going to mindlessly defend this crap. This is why Obama is going to lose in Nov., and should be losing now to be honest, but the left wing is so morally confused they cannot be honest and fair about this issue.

o His comment about the Government deliberately inflicting AIDS on Blacks seems stupid on its face altho I'd like to hear the context.The Tuskegee experiment in itself is not sufficient as a justification.

The Tuskegee "experiment" was a government-run, government-sponsored experiment (much the same as Dr. Mengele's "experimentation" on Jews) designed to create a means to not only "control" the black population, but to eliminate it by destroying the reproductive capability of black men. This was not an experiment that last a year or two, but for FORTY YEARS (1932 - 1972).

That the government would sponsor such research into what was considered a "growing black problem," is more than sufficient for black people to be skeptical of a new disease, which after it began to decimate the ranks of another "undesirable group," gays, began to ravage the black community. And it would be telling that one of the means for controlling the spread of the blood-borne illness (as proved by the deaths of innocents like Ryan White), exchanging dirty needles, would be so actively campaigned against by white politicians.

(Now I know this may force you into an uncomfortable position, but keep reading.) To bring this into greater relief, you need to look at the "war on drugs." Here we go:)

During the Vietnam war, heroin production and trafficking exploded. As a part of organized crime, the sale of heroin was targeted to black neighborhoods. (Point of pop culture: you will recall a scene in the Godfather where the Five Families discuss expanding into the drug trade, and only agree when they decide to sell it to the n*ggers, and keep it out of white neighborhoods.) Heroin is generally administered via intravenous means. Because white (Italian) organized crime seemed to operate with minimal government intervention until well into the 1980s, there was a line of thinking in some -- not all, but some -- black communities that the government's reluctance to crack down on heroin trafficking by organized crime and its impact on the black community, that there was some kind of "collusion" between the Mafia and government to help them "solve" America's growing "black problem." That is, the more black America demanded equal protection, the greater the "problem," and more dire a "final solution" was needed.

(Add this to your line of thinking: America had just fought a war against a country were that country's economic and social woes were blamed on one group of people, and those people -- 6 million of them -- had been exterminated by means of an elaborate, government-planned, government-sanctioned, government-conducted "final solution." That did not happen in a vacuum. And it would not take a giant leap of thought or logic to see that the parallels of one government learning from the "mistakes" of another to resolve a similar "problem" with a troublesome ethnic group.)

Given that, is it so impossible or improbable to feel a little paranoid? "If they tried to kill us with syphyllis, and with addictive drugs, and both benign and malevolent neglect, might they not try to kill us with this new incurable disease?"

It may seem stupid to you, if you are white, but it is not so far-fetched when your skin is not white and you are seen as the "problem." Would not Native Americans question why alcohol is so readily available on or just off the reservation -- to this day -- knowing how deadly it is Native people? Why would the government go to such lengths as to rip Native children from their homes and forceably "re-acculturate" them? No, native language, religion, food, dress, practices? How else do you wipe out a culture and its people -- short of the "final solution"?

If white people are entitled to believe man didn't walk on the moon, are black folks not entitled to believe the government may not have their best interests at heart?

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Great comment!

I mean great.


There are all kinds of things going on here - there is a huge, hidden attack on dissent at the heart of this.

Then there is the Freedom of Religion thing in the constitution - that's also a big hidden part of this and pretty soon more churches will start going public supporting Rev Wright if they are smart enough to see this for what it is.

And it is an attack on the First Amendment.

I'd like to note that the practice of sending American Indian children to boarding schools was carried on as recently as the 1940s, yet many people think this ended before 1900 or soon after. I have met people who were in those boarding schools. It wasn't that long ago that the country did this.

For anyone interested in learning more, here's a good resource:

http://www.kporterfield.com/aicttw/articles/boardingschool.html

The controversy is not about Wright being a bad person -- it's about him saying incredibly stupid things. It's no different than the Don Imus issue. Wright could've made this whole thing go away by just simply acknowledging he's gone over the top and doesn't really believe the government created AIDS and sold drugs to black people, and that he should'nt have said G__ D___ America. That's it. Apology made -- case closed.

It's interesting when Imus says something stupid, he gets fired. Wright says something stupid and his words were "taken out of context" or that white people just don't understand the black church.

My message to Wright is to apologize, of if he can't do that shut up! He keeps this controversy alive every time he makes an appearance, and he is hurting Obama not helping.

The controversy is not about Wright being a bad person -- it's about him saying incredibly stupid things. It's no different than the Don Imus issue.

Tell us what the "context" was of Don Imus' statements? In what context is he referring to a group of young, talented black women as "nappy-headed ho's"? Show me the context.

Rev. Wright didn't say "incredibly stupid" things. And had you watched the Moyers interview or taken the time to listen and learn about Rev. Wright and his church and his ministry, you wouldn't have made the "incredibly stupid" comment you just did.

Rev. Wright need not tailor his words or content or context to satisfy you.

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He isn't running for office last time I checked and this is all "guilt by association"

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Furthermore, Imus said what he said in a public venue.

Wright was talking to his congregation in a private venue - his church.

But keep trying to make the man into a racist. It all just reveals so very much about you.

I was nervous about what the entire show would unleash considering how the clip made dumb fucks like Joe Scarborough and Pat Robertson on MSNBC wet their pants.

But, it was truly inspirational. The clips that were released for the interview and which were immediately attacked as the Reverend's dissing of Obama when he said "he's a politician", wasn't him dissing Obama at all.

Wright was used as a weapon and nearly tarred and feathers for those 30 second bits of a sermon that was deliberatively taken out of context to hurt Obama.

If this was a deliberate tactic by the Obama campaign, and I'm pretty sure they had to know if not been the ones who made this interview happen, it was a brilliant move.

My fears were unfounded.

Joshua,
I'm not so sure the Obama campaign had anything to do with this interview.

At the beginning of the interview Moyers notes that he himself is a member of the denomination UCC that Wright is a pastor of. So, there was a link in regard to the church denomination Moyers himself had attended 40 years ago in Long Island, as he noted that made him curious about Wright.

Secondly, Moyers was there at the bedside of LBJ when Wright was the cardio-pulmonary US medic selected to assist with LBJ's gall bladder surgery.

In addition, Moyers was LBJ's press secretary and he clearly knew that LBJ did inDEED sever ties with MLK when MLK gave his speech opposing militarism, racism and institutionalized hate. When Wright brought up how the media and history do not focus on that side of MLK's mission to alleviate poverty...Moyers cosigned everything Wright said.

Wright has engaged in the highest form of patriotism in a democracy and that is the right to dissent against our own government when it engages in killing of innocent peoples. The fact that the MSM so distorts this powerful call to citizens as their obligation in a democracy is a travesty to the nation.

Wright was right and so is Obama. Each of them do indeed speak to different audiences and have to build their speeches around the type of audiences that are listening even though they both have the same powerful message being delievered.

The most incisive thing Wright said during the interview, I believe was when he quoted Joseph and said that the evil man does God turns to sometime positive and powerful.

When Moyers asked what he meant. Wright drew a direct correlation between his snippet and person being demonized and villified by the press resulting in Obama giving one of the most powerful speeches on race to this nation, in hopes of American moving pass her transgressions and truly becoming a country united as one people.

Wright is an outstanding and erudite individual. Which is why Obama refused to disown or denounce anything other than the man's words as they were being portrayed in the media.

What's truly awful is how CNN and Scarborough will continue to twist his words and individual greatness to use a political hammer against Obama and to appease the Jewish population who are incensed about Farrakhan and Wright having traveled to Syria with him to force the release of Lt. Ron Goodman..during the Reagan presidency.

What is even more ironic, hypocritical and downright mean is how the Clintons themselves use Wright by inviting him to the WH when they needed black ministers to reduce the vilification of Bill Clinton during his hours of shame with the Lewinsky scandal.

Wright is no unknown man in the ministry nor in Presidential access.

"Wright was used as a weapon and nearly tarred and feathers for those 30 second bits of a sermon that was deliberatively taken out of context to hurt Obama."

You are profoundly ignorant about this issue.

Rev. Wright requires every member of TUCC to pledge to a Black Values System.

Rev. Wright alleges that whites have "killed outright" members of the black "talented tenth".

He says things like black youth are placed in concentration camps, that AIDS is a white plot, that hurricane victims were murdered by the white government response to flooding, that bombs are being researched and developed that can only kill blacks and Arabs, that the government is infiltrated by KKK, that white supremacy is the ideal that the US strives for, etc. etc. This is his entire theme, the religious thing coming in because he uses the Bible to bash the United States. The irresponsibilty of spreading much of this nonsense to impressionable young people at the church cannot be overstated.

TUCC exists to psychologically separate blacks from their fellow Americans. That's what this church was created to do. Wright has never said a good word about America or about white people in general, and I defy any of you to find a quote where he does.

He is poison to Obama's campaign, which some of you will learn to your great sorrow.

If you had watched the interview, dugan49, not only would you have seen that what you just wrote was untrue, but that PBS visited the church in 1987 and produced an insightful program on the church then.

Until you at least watch the Moyers interview, which as someone said should be the price of admission to the discussion, stop spreading the falsehoods you got from "wackadoodle" internet sites.

What is not true? The TUCC website? That is where this stuff come from. You guys are the deluded ones.

You take a fair amount of delight in this upcoming sorrow. Break out the white sheets.

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I didn't get to see it - I wish I had.

I've been sickened by the character assassination of this 80 year old man who has spent his whole life serving the country he loves and trying to serve the God he loves.

Just sickening. That's when this country gets to me really badly and I think I just want to walk away. It's a hard damn country. It is.

It doesn't get any easier over time to try to stand for what's right in this damn country. It's damn near impossible any more.


Please try to see this amazing interview. It's on the PBS website.

Tena there is a link to the inteview further up in the thread.

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Thanks so much guys - I was pretty sure I'd be able to see it online or repeated.

I do want to see it.

"I've been sickened by the character assassination of this 80 year old man who has spent his whole life serving the country he loves and trying to serve the God he loves."

Are you out of your mind? The people of TUCC refer to themselves as Africans on their website, as directed by Wright. And you think he loves 'his' country?

Find one thing for me where Wright praises anything to do with the US or white people.

He loves his ministry, and his ability to brainwash his congregation. that's what he loves.

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I have a simple reply to you: fuck right the fuck off.

Enough with the Aryan Nation trolls.

That is how you answer reasonable requests? Tsk Tsk.

I had higher hopes for you.

Seriously, give us a statement from Wright where he says something nice about the country you say he loves, or you shut the fuck up.

See , you made me lose my temper, LOL.

Well, I consider his service in the military as a pretty good statement to that end.

Do you have a problem with Haitian churches, or Polish Catholic churches, or people that talk fondly about their Swedish or Swiss or German roots?

Your bias is beyond me. Why isn't it beyond you?

Because the purpose of this church isn't to "speak fondly" of their ethnic heritage, it is to foster racial separatism and racial resentment in the United States of America and to spread race based conspiracy theories. And you want the President of the United States to belong to this church. You people are all nuts.

says you?

Reagan's intentional refusal to act to stem the tide of Aides doomed the gay and black communities, those most affected by his decision. He "murdered" them by his outright denial of govt. intervention in a near epidemic because he felt the afflicted didn't "deserve" the help for in his view they simply died of their own "immoral" actions. If you deny a thirsty man a drink of water his consequential death by dehydration is murder at your hands.
Jim Webb wrote a whole series of articles for the San Jose Mercury about the CIA/Govt. introduction of cocaine into the Haight Asbury and Oakland black communities. All of it was true and it was done at the time of the "Age of Aquarius" and Black Power. The Haight died out in two years, I watched it happen, and the black communities still have not recovered. Webb was dead within two years of Bushes ist term by "suicide" yet there were two bullet wholes in his temple.


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O I remember the Rolling Stones articles about that.

They pioneered the whole expose of the CIA running drugs out of southeast Asia - in the 70s.

I have heard these same things for 30 years at least. It's not like he came up with this out of nowhere.


OMG SHE'S ON TO US AGAIN!

What if she figures out how we programed them to smoke it too?

Clever girl but not on to us for inserting billions into the music industry just so we could sell them BLING!

sincerely
Covert Agent 99

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
NOT YOUR GUILTY CONSCIENCE

Yes,

I did not see it, but those who (mostly pundits, ugh!) who are "concerned" about Wright are missing a few things:

(1)Reverend Wright belongs to the TUCC, a denomination which is majority white. In addition, the hierarchy of the denomination have gone on the record showing their respect and regard for Rev Wright;

(2)There is a growing "progressive" or backlash religious and/or evangelical movement in response to the conservative/right wing movement of the 70s-90s. Reverend Wright - and seemingly, at least some of the TUCC are part of that movement. No one seems to have noticed that the head of TUCC vowed on CNN (post race speech)that they would be initiating a "sacred" conversation about race, and as "with most sacred conversations, hard truths will be told."(or something like that). My point is that much like the growth of the conservative evangelical movement, its backlash is off the radar, but I would suggest that Wright is seen very, very differently there. (especially because pre-Fox and pre-CNN he was a highly regarded theologian, unlike Haggee). The race speech was/is being widely-used in churches across the country. Wouldn't it be a hoot if this progressive, church-based/relgious movement fueled Obama's success in the GE in some of those "red" states??

For the person who suggested that all this (appearances, interviews)is designed to (1)defuse GE attacks; (2) make Wright "knowable" to others; and (3)push back against those forces (both Dems and Republicans) that would push ideas/Wright underground - I would definitely agree.

I have observed that Obama's campaign makes mistakes, yes, but much of the time he has run a kind of stealth campaign himself and is very, very deliberate in what goes on. So while CNN, TPM and others are caught up in the Clinton circus, stealth (by definition)keep moving. They just keep moving.

Good job.

I agree with how Obama is a far more stealth strategist than most folks grasp. He planned to have the most delegates going into the convention and he accurately assessed his route there and embraced the 50 state strategy.

Now that Clinton has 'seemingly' put a pause in his moment, based solely on the MSM repeating this pseudophenomenon repeatedly..Obama is once again shifting gears.

Obama has said from the outset that he will bring about an entirely different coalition of Americans. Observing that no white Democratic Presidential politician since Carter has been able to win the 'white/ethnic blue collar voter.Obama is fueling up a massive voter registration drive to bring entirely new groups into the election process. While the media claim it is race Obama knows that is false and that that Democratic would not vote for Clinton, Kerrey, or Gore. Obama is not whinning he is changing tactics, he is out to change the voting electorate that comes to he polls.

I am certain this announcement sent chills down BubbaBill and GoldwaterHill's spines. They both recall all too well that it was Obama who brought 100K new voters to the polls in 92 to fuel Carol Mosely Braun's Senate seat and propel Bill's win in IL. (Bill and Hill most likely sat in Wright's pews with the Obamas.)

Just as Obama changed the money game he is going to change the voter demographic to build a winning route to the nomination. Obama has the skills and the will not to get trapped in the muck and mire by succombing to the 'triedandtrue' old political washington text book. He knows where that winds up for him and the country is him being owned by special interests and the American people being screwed by their government due to the hold of the special interests.

Obama is a gamechanger...he has changed the money game and he is out now to change the voter demographic game. Unlike the Clintons Obama does not beleive if you can't beat 'em join 'em...he believes if you can't beat them on their turf blaze a new trail.

We are witnessing a true upheaval in American politics it is a movement that will not be detered by the politics of personal destruction, southern strategy race baiting smear tactics while the media and pundits unindating the electorate with DISTRACTIONS.

When people believe in their government they can change their government Obama has told the public this several times and he has said:

“I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more than any other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists — and won. They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president.”

Obama has stated he does not just what us to believe in his ability to change our government but in OUR ablity to change it. We can take back our government.

Go out and help him..find a friend and register them to vote..tell them to bring another friend. This is our defining moment.

Yes. We. Can.

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You made me smile and made my Saturday.

Thanks.

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My point is that much like the growth of the conservative evangelical movement, its backlash is off the radar, but I would suggest that Wright is seen very, very differently there. (especially because pre-Fox and pre-CNN he was a highly regarded theologian, unlike Haggee). The race speech was/is being widely-used in churches across the country. Wouldn't it be a hoot if this progressive, church-based/relgious movement fueled Obama's success in the GE in some of those "red" states??

It could happen.

It really could.

And I totally agree with you about his campaign and his ability to put things right side up once they are turned upside down like this. He has the best run campaign I may have ever seen.

"(1)Reverend Wright belongs to the TUCC, a denomination which is majority white. In addition, the hierarchy of the denomination have gone on the record showing their respect and regard for Rev Wright;"

You're partially right, but more wrong. TUCC is a 'franchise' of the United Church Of Christ , which is national, and known as the most liberal denomination in America. THAT is why they accept TUCC so openly.

Right on!

Sadly, this interview will not help Obama's cause. Nothing in it will change the White backlash that the Clinton's have hoped for and promoted.

It's looking like that old-time American politics again. And with the lastest news from inside dems saying that health care is not possible and the US "preparing" for Iran, time to hide under a bed.

The reason it might not help is that it was broadcast on PBS. Fox News-addicted viewers simply will not see it, nor will the majority of MSM-addicted viewers. The full context of those speeches was stunning in revealing how the MSM clipped and looped its way to bigger ratings, all by using its viewers, and all to the detriment of truth and professional journalism. The likes of MSNBC, CNN and others should be ashamed of enabling this hysteria.

I consider myself a reformed "Christian". I grew up in Lynchburg, VA under the cloud of Thomas Road Baptist Church, otherwise known as the home of Jerry Falwell. ugh. I would hope that no one in my life judged me harshly because I attended that church for so long. That's one of the main reasons why Rev. Wright's statements never bothered me at all. I heard things much more inflammatory against people of other religious affiliations, races, genders, & orientation regularly. Doesn't for one second mean that I ever "fell for it", as a matter of fact, I rebelled hard against it. Pretty much explains my liberal attitudes toward most things because I saw up close and personal the ignorance it takes to hold on to such prejudices.

I enjoyed, very much, Moyers interview with Wright last night. He is much more intelligent than people will ever give him credit for. I watched some on MSM shows rant on and on about how he was saying America deserved 9/11. If you took the 8 minutes to listen to the sermon you would have known that he was reading the words of someone else, a "white guy", that he thought would put the events in perspective for people in his congregation. Even if those were his thoughts, the coverage was so misleading and completely biased, calculated, and unfair.

I think the things that Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley, and Haggard said were much worse regarding 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina. Did the media cover those statements 24/7..yeah, that's a big NO..not even close.

Main reason why I refuse to watch cable news shows. After the ABC debate, I gave them up. No more CNN or MSNBC and I have to admit, I've been in a much better mood and haven't had to take fists full of Advil every day.

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I think the things that Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley, and Haggard said were much worse regarding 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina. Did the media cover those statements 24/7..yeah, that's a big NO..not even close.

Much much much much much worse for years and years and years and years and years.


Pat Robertson made part of his fortune off of Sierra Leone blood diamonds. He is Satan's First Lieutenant.

THANKS FOR THE PROMOTION!

I hated being Satan's footstool. Your having seen fit to promote me to 1st Lt. validates your leadership!


Hail Belzebub!
P. Robertson

now go make me a sandwich

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I have a sandwich for you, baby, right here.

Come and get it.

PLEASE DELIVER IT !!!!

I'll chill some w(h)ine and slip into some Speedos. Wear the Nazi Frau get up again! Sooo dominating.


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Barry

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It's not so much the trolling as having to see that avatar again and again which is bugging me...

Wright was truly eloquent and thoughtful for those willing to take an hour to listen, and I mean truly listen. I am beginning to clearly understand Obama's 'the fierce urgency of now' belief. The divide breaking before us is becoming a chasm into which we are slowly descending unless we as a nation wake to this reality. The full brunt of the attacks to come will make what has happened so far seem petty. Make no mistake this is a fight for the very soul of this country and we must have faith in whatever form that takes for you in this the coming hour of darkness........

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Wright hasn't been saying anything that hasn't been said by other.

For example Howard Zinn's best seller "A People's History of the United States" goes into many of the same stories about the darker side of our history.

Another good read is "Myths America Lives By" by Richard T. Hughes (who teaches at a religiously affiliated college). I quote from the publisher:

"n this book Richard T. Hughes identifies the five key myths that lie at the heart of the American experience--the myths of the Chosen Nation, of Nature's Nation, of the Christian Nation, of the Millennial Nation, and of the Innocent Nation.

Drawing on a range of dissenting voices, Hughes shows that by canonizing these seemingly harmless myths of national identity as absolute truths, America risks undermining the sweepingly egalitarian promise of the Declaration of Independence.

The Chosen Nation myth led to the wholesale slaughter of indigenous peoples during the pioneer era. More recently the Innocent Nation myth prevented many Americans from understanding, or even discussing, the complex motivations of the 9/11 terrorists. Myths America Lives By demonstrates that Americans must rethink these myths in the spirit of extraordinary humility if the United States is to fulfil its true promise as a nation.

Hughes locates the roots of each myth in a different period of America's development, and from each of these periods he finds stirring critiques offered by marginalized commentators--especially African Americans and Native Americans–-who question the predominant myth of their age.

Myths America Lives By is a dialog between the mainstream mythmakers and the many critics--including Martin Luther King Jr., Ida B. Wells, Frederick Douglass, Black Elk, Anna J. Cooper, and Booker T. Washington, Malcom X, Angela Davis, and W. E. B. DuBois--whose dissent, rather than being un-American, was often grounded in a patriotic belief in the "self-evident" equality of America's fundamental creed. "

The criticisms of Wright are, of course, politically motivated and meant to damage Obama who the right now realizes will most likely be their opponent in the general election. Having nothing substantive to work with they try of character assassination and guilt by association.

Given the number of people who are reluctant to vote for a black man, a politically correct excuse to use instead can allow them to hide their racism under a cover of patriotism.

If smearing Kerry's patriotism could work then this effort may be even more effective.

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And you don't think that they have all kinds of shit lined up for Hillary?


Fuck it - nominate her. I don't care anymore. I can't wait to hear the Republican campaign go to town on the Clintons.

If they manage to make it without getting sued or arrested, then if she wins, it will be worth it to watch Bill try to wrestle the microphone away from her when she's taking the oath.'

Turn the country into a giant Clinton psycho-drama; wreck the Democratic Party. I don't care.

I'm joining the Give Texas Back to Mexico crowd. Who needs this shit? I'd rather live there. It's cheaper, easier to score, and I don't have to listen to this bullshit.

DON'T GO AWAY MAD JUST GO AWAY

I apologize for making you look like a three toed sloth but for cryin out loud you were inviting it!

Listen let's start over. I'm a KKK troll and you fell in love with a guy named Barry who won't return your calls. We should be able to find common ground!

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Nil Illegitimus Carborundum

Don't Let the Bastards Grind You Down

That's RIGHT! Pull up your jockstrap sister and get back in the fight!

Barry needs you more than YOU need him!

Sincerely
B. Richardson


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I know

It's just been a very long 8 years and I'm tired of fighting constantly. I didn't expect this fight - why I don't know, but I had this crazy idea that the Democrats would come together and make this the most outstanding election season since Roosevelt was elected.

I just need better drugs. ;)

It will get much worse......

It will get much worse......before it gets better in this season

IT'S ALWAYS DARKEST RIGHT BEFORE THE WORSE

While you two are comforting each other is it possible you could come up with a solution to my "vacuous fate". I mean you're freakin me out!


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You have been very courageous defending people of color on this post today. Sleep well, at least, for doing the right thing.

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you have no idea what that means to me, maria.

thank you.

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you can download it from iTunes now

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I sent Bill Moyers a NASTY email yesterday because I was so angry and disappointed that he was tearing this wound open again instead of simply letting it heal. Obviously, this morning, I sent him a sincere apology. What a great interview. I've known for some time what a compassionate, patriotic American Reverend Wright is. What I underestimated was his ability to make his own case.

When Barack Obama is sworn in as President of the United States, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright will be right up there with him.

LET ME HELP YOU WITH THAT APOLOGY

Dear Bill,
Thanks for slipping the Rev your Vallium scrip. What a relief that he has half concious and couldn't even remember who framed the Constitution! I mean he does know right?

Hyperventillating Yours
brebendorf

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RS
Your vacuous fate awaits you.....

Hyperventilate somewhere else and learn how to spell (hyperventillating)

IF I LEERN TO SPEL BETER CAN I VOTE STUPED TOO?

If the "vacuous fate" does not overtake me I am likely to beat myself to death with knee slaps!

Impatiently Awaiting Fate
Boris and Natasha

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this one is real threadlice - it grabs hold and will not shut up.

I'm abandoning ship.

:)

ABANDONING SHIP? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

And leaving the remaining rats to sort out this mess you and Barry have gotten us into? For whom to bore trolls?

another fine mess
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Good move, dear HusseinTenaX!

Thanks for all your great comments.

One more site to go to if you haven't already.

Memoryaid suggested this on several other threads today and I was very moved.

Father Michael Pfleger supports Rev. Wright.

I don't know how to apply http links, but I'll just paste it here and hope it works.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/17/125128/868/700/497648

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Nobody here would be talking about Jeremiah Wright if he were not Barack Obama's pastor. Therefore the entire argument about Wright's 'toxicity' hinges upon guilt by association. To what extent is a religious test being applied to Barack Obama in the context of this relationship? Former presidential candidate and Baptist minister Mike Huckabee went on record, to no benefit to himself, to state that the relationship between protestant pastors and their congregants is not one of blind obedience, and so therefore what a pastor says in a pulpit is of little consequence in determining Obama's values. These are fallacies used to fuel a controversy, and the shrinking of the more frightening 'soundbytes' are to make them more compelling, when in fact the most 'inflammatory' of these sermons were delivered before Obama ever ran for office, and he surely was better known as a member of Trinity when he was campaigning in Chicago for his state Senate seat.

However, to be fair, let's apply the same standard to John McCain and Hillary Clinton for comparison. John McCain has denounced and then embraced the evangelical right wing which espouses institutionalized racism, the Reverend Ron Parsley and the Reverend Hagee, who has videos in circulation in whic God condemned New Orleans in Hurricane Katrina due to the city hosting a homosexual rally.

Hillary Clinton belongs to a secretive religious group known as 'The Family' which has organized the Senate Prayer Breakfasts and has endorsed the 'concentration of political power to achieve Christian ends.' The extent of her involvement in this group and how it influences policy within the Senate and other parts of the government are unknown, however, its commitment to exercising religious influence over government is definite.

Now, IF we were applying a religious test to presidential candidates, my personal response to these associations is that Clinton's is the most potentially frightening since it is clear that her religious affiliations ARE directly involved in her position in the Senate. McCain's, somewhat worrisome in that the evangelical right-wing have sought since the Reagan era to influence government policy by its backing of right-wing GOP candidates in order to promote their own cultural agenda which is to serve only its own constituency. And in the case of Obama, the assumptions and beliefs of the Reverend Wright, IF they were also Obama's beliefs, SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO HATE BLACKS.

And since white people are in the majority, the only religious test being applied is the one that scares the white folks.

But we don't have a religious test for president in the USA. Or did everyone forget?

Here's a position that's a hard truth: People aren't as upset about Rev. Hagee endorsing John McCain because they don't particularly care about gays, so when Hagee knocked gays, they probably nodded in agreement. If you want to put a dent in McCain, calling up the "he said New Orleans deserved it because they held a gay pride parade" statement is the wrong way to go about it.

Look at some of the other incendiary things Hagee has said. About Catholicism: "The Great Whore," "The Anti-Christ," "a false cult system." Now you've got something. Think about the demographics of Pennsylvania -- all those independent voters who slip easily between voting Dem or GOP for president, many of them in that state in particular are Catholic. Catholics are a huge voting bloc, not just in PA, but nationwide. These are the white independents and blue collar workers that McCain needs. A lot of them are Catholics. This area of Hagee's preaching is what you point to.

Lest I be accused of taking Hagee out of context in the same way Rev. Wright was clipped to death, be assured that putting Hagee into context only highlights his statements. You can't misinterpret them. He means what he says, and context only solidifies it.

yes, and not only this, I am sure Hagee would be glad to repeat them to anyone who will listen, and be completely unconcerned about how anyone views his statements.

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But we don't have a religious test for president in the USA. Or did everyone forget?

Nope - and I did too mention this - a couple of times and also guilt by association.

But say it again by all means, say it often and loudly! It needs to be said over and over.

If it weren't for Wright, we'd still be hearing that Obama is a secret Muslim.

There are some trolls up on this ship. They pretend to be Obama supporters and take weird positions on stuff. Don't believe them. They are mucking things up because they are obviously threatened by Obama- the frontrunner!!!

"Nothing in it will change the White backlash that the Clinton's have hoped for and promoted."

Ummm...don't think so!

Also, Tena, the whole point of these trolls is to anger us so much that we do in fact abandon ship. Don't give in to them, they are spinners, they want to set the parameters of the conversation and bring up all kids of weird sh**. They do it on MYBO too. But they are only doing it because they have nothing else to do so they have to come after us using ignorance, slime, muck and weirdness. Because you can't argue with that can you?

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I get that but when the infestation gets that bad - just leave and let them talk to themselves.

That's sometimes all you can do. But I do appreciate what you're saying.

:)

Don't you notice all of these folks on here who have never been on here before spouting off stupid sh**? This is a public forum and it is bound to happen, pretty sick and down-low disgusting to me too.

This is their last resort- go after the Obama campaign because it is actually so damn successful! Sorry folks, can't change the numbers!

They want to create division here so that we stop having meaningful conversation.

I always thought Wright was a human. A racist guilt-slinger, but a human.

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I just watched the Moyers program. I'm grateful for his courage and that of Jeremiah Wright.

All you haters out there, are you so-called "Christians"?

If so, then you are what gives religion a bad name.

The amount of righteous, pious hypocrisy is absurd, but telling.

Never mind that the all mighty Billy Graham was (may still be) an anti-semite:

http://www.rense.com/general20/billy.htm

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Haters is right.

I guess we really should have expected the playa haters, now that I think about it.


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your posts are so worthless!

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