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What do you cling to to explain your frustrations?


I'm angry, there's no doubt that many people are. So while bitter isn't the best choice of a word, I guess it fits. Now a lot of people here have posted that they are bitter and how true Obama's statement about bitterness was. Apparently the anger or bitterness I feel causes me to cling to guns to explain my frustrations. And apparently its was a good thing for Obama to tell me this. Now I don't go to church. So clearly I don't cling to that to explain my frustrations. I'm just wondering. What do you use to explain your frustrations? Is it on the list?

guns
or religion
or antipathy to people who aren't like them
or anti-immigrant sentiment
or anti-trade sentiment

Or is it something not on the list? You all have told me you're bitter. You all have told me what a wonderful thing Obama has said. It would be just so much more wonderful if you would join the wonderful Obama and add to his wonderfully true comment. I get bitter, I cling to _________ as a way to explain my frustrations. Or is it just those working class people who cling to things to explain their frustrations?

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We can't cling to our sons and daughters who died in Iraq.
We can't cling to our jobs. We can't cling to our paychecks.
We can't cling to our healthcare.
We can't cling to our homes.
We can't cling to our savings.
We can't cling to our social security.
We can't cling to our right to privacy.
We can't cling to our crumbling roads and bridges.
We can't cling to our kid's college education.
We can't cling to our polluted environment.
We can't cling to our reputation around the world.
We can't cling to our constitution.
We can't cling to our justice system.
We can't cling to our drug-infested neighborhoods.
We can't cling to our country's moral high ground.
We can't cling to our bitterness. It's unpatriotic.

We can cling to our faith but without everything else, many of us are starting to lose that too.

What's left? We're open to suggestions.

You can cling to anything you want to explain your frustrations. Obama said so and many here told me how true it was. Here's a few suggestions from Obama.

guns
or religion
or antipathy to people who aren't like them
or anti-immigrant sentiment
or anti-trade sentiment

What do you cling to to explain your frustrations?

I get bitter, I cling to _________ as a
way to explain my frustrations.

You might want to adjust your post to reflect what Obama actually said, rather than chop it up into something else. He was talking about politics.


OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.


Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

"So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I'm really kinda surprised here. So many people told me how true this statement was about "them."
Is it just "they" that get bitter? Just "they" that cling to things as a way to explain their frustrations? Aren't you one of "them?" I thought people would jump at the chance to stand in solidarity with Obama and the working class he understands so well.

So its not surprising then that (I) got bitter, (I) cling to _________________ as a way to explain (my) frustrations.

Michelle O. says;
"I'm married to the answer"

"Barack is one of the smartest men we will see in our lifetime."

"Barack Obama will be the kind of leader we need right now, not in four years or eight years or 12 years," she said. "We can't wait to get this right. We need it to happen today."

Michelle wants you to vote for Barack because she thinks what America needs is a healer-in-chief.

And Barry says "I am the one"


I cling to my gut feeling, which has served me well along the way.

I cling to TPM as a way to supplement my frustrations. The antipathy I receive from people not like me is kind of like an anti-vitamin or a kick in the head. So it's not surprising I get bitter.

Thanks to TM's generosity in cutting-and-pasting Obama's exact words upthread, I learned a new out-of-touch phrase I hadn't heard before:

you know, working-class lunch-pail folks
.

Working-class lunch-pail folks? Didn't they die out during the Reagan years?

I also notice the 4 (5, really) dog-whistle references to racism I hadn't paid attention to before:

'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.'
kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing
it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man
antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment

Wouldn't one reference have been sufficient?

Oceankat;
I will answer your question. It IS a natural HUMAN tendency to cling to what is familiar and gives one comfort when the rug is pulled out from under us.

I recently went to law school and with the attendant bar exams that accompany said degree for one who wants to practice in three jurisdictions it was very intense four and a half years!

Sometimes the pressure was overwhelming. I am not ashamed to say that there were times when I would go veg out at some dumb action flick and sit through it multiple times just so I could have a break from the study over load.

And my Dad passed away on Christmas Day in 2007 after a three year battle with cancer. I am generally pretty focused and connected to my heart because that is what I have focused my life on since adulthood.

But I definitely prayed more during my Dad's illness than usual. Was it clinging? I am not sure-but I am not embarrassed if the answer is yes.

If you are a progressive you know that the issue Obama spoke of has been troubling us for several election cycles. The Repubs have fired up the "red state" voters with specious social issues that for the most part do not affect their daily lives-gay rights, the Dems will take your guns and your religion- in order to keep them voting for the very politicians who have largely contributed to destroying their livelihood by smashing the unions (remember when Reagan took on the Air Traffic Controllers?) and outsourcing their jobs.

Obama was addressing this issue with a message or strategy if you will about how to finally bridge a gap with the working class voters so that we can get their support to put the people in office who can actually help them because we ARE pro workers rights.

Unlike HRC Obama actually put his body and mind where his heart was-he passed up lucrative jobs in the corporate sector-where I can tell you as a new attorney-he would be a 7 figure partner somewhere by now-to work to help people.

I do not begrudge Hillary her 6 years at Wal-Mart. I only begrudge that she tries to capitalize on trivia to help her campaign while creating a false picture of her background AND of Obamas. Did you see the video where FOX NEWS interviewed those two guys in the diner and acted surprised when they both said that they agreed with Obama, one of them an older gentleman who was a McCain supporter?

I mean do you seriously believe that Hillary is less of an elitist than Obama? She took at least two tries to pass the bar exam-I am not knocking that-it is a damn difficult exam. And now these many years later she and Bill have a $100 million fortune. But Obama passed on his first try after graduating Magna Cum Laude as President of the Harvard Law Review. He could be sitting on top of any one of the wealthiest law firms in the nation if he wanted.

He has been in politics since the late 1990's. How many politicians do any of us know who are not millionaires many times over after that much time? Obama has a home worth a couple million dollars but aside from that, he is NOT a millionaire.

If you are a strong Hillary supporter then I respect that. If you like her positions better than Obama I respect that as well. But please stop slamming Obama for specious issues that are also Republican talking points right now.

Tell us why Hillary is better than Obama. Many of us supported her in years past. I will tell you what I liked about Hillary when she was First Lady. She has always been smart and articulate. She handled herself with class even in the face of public humiliation because of her philandering husband. I never was a big fan of President Clinton (though he was light years better to me than either Bush!). But I remember in the early 1990’s watching Hillary and feeling like, “Wow! If she was the candidate I would get out and campaign for her.” I loved her youthful enthusiasm and idealism and the courageous way she took on the Senators-from both parties-for the sake of healthcare because it was the right thing to do. I no longer see that idealistic person willing to stick her neck out for unpopular issues because it is the right thing to do in Hillary. She has become too good at parsing the opinion polls to see which way the fickle public sentiment is moving to win support.

What I like about Obama is the very thing I liked about Hillary in 1992. He is enthusiastic and idealistic. He is smart, well read and articulate. And he is young enough that he still sticks his neck out when it is the right thing to do. (To wit, remember back in 2002 when opposing the Iraq Invasion was tantamount to being anti American?!) Obama did that. He could have played it safe and kept his mouth shut. After all, he was a state senator who had no direct responsibility toward national policy. And if you look at the people he is bringing to the polls-the young, the old and the swing voters-there is substantial evidence that he does have the ability to bring desperate groups together.

I am all ears if you would like to tell me what you really like about Hillary! But just remember-if we are all progressives, then we are all on the same side and after this primary season is over we will all need to unite to save our country from another neo-con ruler. So please stop slamming Obama on false issues. Tell us why you disagree with his POSITIONS.

Thank You Oceankat. This is the first time I have spoken publicly about loosing my Dad and I feel better for it. Although I too am very passionate and I love Obama and am doing everything I can to help get him into the White House, in my heart I know that if you are supporting Hillary because you too are a progressive, then we are on the same side. And even if you are not a progressive, in my heart I know that we are still brothers because we are fellow human beings. So please, lets keep it real.

I don't post on issue I think are specious. I also have several times posted in agreement with Obama supporters when I thought Hillary was wrong. That's something very few of the Obama supporters here are willing to do with their candidate.

Its true that the issues Obama was talking about have troubled democrats for several election cycles. He's not the first on who has discussed them in this way, though his wording was about the most crass I've ever heard. These are not specious social issues to those who care about them.

These are very real issues that are important to people and while I'm far to the left on most of them I'm far to the right on the second amendment. That may or may not help me to understand how people might feel about this comment on the other issues.

These very important issues in many cases have no win win solution. There is not good compromise that will satisfy both sides. One side will win the other will lose and in the end they will simply have to accept that loss. Its not like you can get them to vote democratic, improve their economic life, give them health care and the issues will go away. Republicans didn't create this wedge issues, they simply exploited them.

I hunt, I have a carry permit. There are very few gun laws that I would accept. If the "Rosie O'Donell" wing of the democratic party gained ascendence I would have no choice but to vote republican. It hasn't reached that point so I have always been able to vote democratic. Though there has been times when I was quite upset with the dems over this issue.

I'm pro choice. I want the left wing of the democratic party to win. But if I truly believed the abortion was murder that I can certainly understand how that would be a major priority. One that might cause me to vote against my economic interests.

Full rights for gays is not a trivial issue. Just as civil rights for blacks was not trivial. Fortunately its unlikely people will have to battle in the streets against dogs, fire hoses, and clubs to achieve rights for gays. Much as I disagree with prejudice of all kinds I do acknowledge its existence. Its not born of disillusionment with government and will not go away with an improved economy. Just as laws were passed and enforced, sometimes with federal troops, so laws must be passed and enforced to guarentee gay rights. Just as the bigots hated the civil right legislation so will they hate losing on the gay rights issues.

Its insulting and its seems condescending to me for Obama and you and others to trivialize the issue of the second amendment. I can certainly see how those with views on religion, immigration, etc. would be equally insulted, even though I disagree with their views.

It doesn't seem like you get it anymore then Obama gets it. You don't see how condescending the remark is because you see the issues as trivial and you agree. "They" do cling, "they" are being manipulated by republicans, "they" are voting on all these trivial issues. You aren't one of "them" and when "they" get manipulated your favored candidate loses.

That's why I asked, what do you cling to as a way to explain your frustrations. You don't think you do. You're smarter then "they" are. You vote on the important issues and are not manipulated like "they" are. Somehow you don't see how condescending that is.

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I answered at my blog.

Well, I don't want to read your blog.

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I've heard it said that we all have our crutches to get through life.

I did have several, including religion, but the last one, belief in the overall goodness of America, got blown away on 9/11.

Cling to something? For me there's not much left. I envy people that do have solid things to cling to.

About the best thing I can say is that if we do manage to get over our penchant for petty and semantic arguments and unite, we'll make things better for all of us.

Maybe that slim hope is all I have to cling to.

It gets slimmer every day.

I think the message is that frankly these small town, rural community folks have been the most (not the only by any stretch) demographic to be suckered in by wedge politics. They tend to vote conservative even though conservatives have been shafting them for decades. And they vote conservative over wedge-type issues - they cling to what they know, feel and are familiar with.
This is normal; this is human-nature. Obama's point is that these people in the rust belt have been lied to and beat down so much, they really don't expect any pol to actually come thru for them on any substantive issue (jobs, healthcare, etc.)so they can only vote for pols who purport to share their values...
And in this mind set, Obama really has a disadvantage. Obama is unfamiliar in these areas (at least as a politician) and, culturally, he comes across as a left-coast liberal. So, he has to overcome the trust issue. And he seems to be trying to do this thru message instead of some political stunt like strapping on a hard hat and trying to mine coal (or throwing back a shot or two at the local pub!).
Also, keep in mind, that this is suggestions given to a staffer on how to get thru to a demographic that he has historically had trouble reaching. This was not a speech; this was a clinical method or mindset on how to push thru all of the wedge politics these areas have been raised on and drive the message home that Obama hears and is willing to actually address the economic issues these people (and all of us at this point) are faced with. This is all about overcoming learned voting patterns and voting...for(well,honestly)Barrack!

And finally...as an office working, car (not pick-up) driving city-boy, I hear what you Rubes think of us too. And yes, you're right, I am an elitist Mama's boy that can't turn a wrench to save my life and am just dumb and vain enouugh to spend $7 on a (big-azz)latte every now and again : )

You cling to your religion and I'll cling to my Starbucks!
Peace!!!

I think the message is that frankly these small town, rural community folks have been the most (not the only by any stretch) demographic to be suckered in by wedge politics.

You just lost your argument by being elitist: in other words, rural voters are "suckered" because they're dumb.

I'm beginning to see why rural and small-town voters are bitter and left the party of FDR in droves.

I hope Clinton understands the depth of this, because if she does and can articulate her understanding of it, she will win.

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