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What the DNC rules actually say about seating Florida delegates.
I found this analysis of the rules VERY interesting. I have not yet found the current delegate tallies though.
Officially, Clinton, Edwards, and Obama should each get half of their won delegates. This would result in approximately:
Clinton: 53
Obama: 37
Edwards + Kucinich (uncommitted): 15
But, unfortunately, Obama could get penalized further, and get as few as 0:
Officially, Clinton, Edwards, and Obama should each get half of their won delegates. This would result in approximately:
Clinton: 53
Obama: 37
Edwards + Kucinich (uncommitted): 15
But, unfortunately, Obama could get penalized further, and get as few as 0:
The DNC rules also prohibited public appearances and electronic advertising before the polls closed by candidates in states that had jumped the approved primary calendar. Barack Obama made a public appearance in Florida in September 2007, talking to reporters after a fundraiser. His campaign also bought television ads on cable news outlets that ran throughout Florida before its renegade primary.
Strictly speaking,[..] Obama would receive none -- the penalty for violating the campaign ban.
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Actually, Obama checked with the DNC and got an exemption for the ad, since he had no way of singling out Florida from the national ad buy.
The DNC ruled that the national ad buy did not violate the DNC campaigning rules.
But nice try.
April 29, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wherever you got that quote from, the author clearly has a passing relationship with reality. The ads were kosher as mentioned above and both Clinton and Edwards attended fund raisers in the state too. So by the odd logic of where you got that quote from, they'd also be stripped of their delegates.
April 29, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/us/politics/02dems.html
"Hours after Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina agreed to sign a loyalty pledge put forward by party officials in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York followed suit. The decision seemed to dash any hopes of Mrs. Clinton relying on a strong showing in Florida as a springboard to the nomination."
April 29, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So left, just how right are you?
April 30, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
But did the DNC sign off on his local TV ads, that were not on network in Florida.? I do not have cable or a dish at my place in Winter Haven and Obama ads were still on the air before the election, no one else had any ads, just him.
April 30, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
national ad buys go on affiliate local stations. has nothing to do with how it gets to you.
just 'cause you don't understand it doesn't mean you're right and everybody else is wrong.
April 30, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. I used to buy nationally for an ad agency. I'm so sick and tired of explaining over the past few months how things work. I've see other former and current ad buyers explain how these things work and people still dig in and choose to be ignorant about the whole thing. And since the DNC signed off on those ads, all this drama about this is exceptionally stupid and childish.
April 30, 2008 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and as to the "half delegates" BS, that is indeed the rule on the books... that the DNC Rules Committee superseded in its specific ruling against FL and MI by setting a penalty of that ZERO delegates would be seated from those states in 2008.
April 30, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
You can't explain something to people who hate so loudly that they can't hear you.
I'm an Obama supporter and I realized that all that negative energy
sinks to the bottom as long as you don't engage it.
Just let it fall away.
April 30, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Clinton and Edwards attended fundraisers in the state too as did Obama but they didn't appear at a public event and on TV ads there. But Barrack! gets that...uh, 'special exemption' of some sort that makes it all OK. (And still got his ass kicked in the state.)
But hey!!...he got an exemption for that crap too and the state didn't count (along with MI where he got his ass kicked also) so, you know...it's all good.
April 30, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is all good when you follow the rules. As an aside, you do yourself no favors invoking Michigan as a legitimate contest.
April 30, 2008 2:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is tough. He kicked Obama's ass in absentia.
With those rules, Oscar de la Hoya is going down. He will never know what hit him! Because he is not even going to be in the fucking state!
April 30, 2008 4:28 AM | Reply | Permalink