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Bush in israel: Diplomacy V. War


So, W is at it again.  And McSame agrees.

Looks like the rest of the Dems, Obama supporters or not, have is back.  Thanks Begala.  Sure, the criticism is safe- partisanship on foreign soil is bad, and unprecedented if Rahm is right.

But the premise of the argument still stinks.  Diplomacy= bad?  OK, terrorist groups who kidnap and extort, I can understand not using diplomatic relations with them I guess.  It seems risky to set the expectation of negotiation.  And terrorist groups are formed mainly around terrorist means- that is to say they are not governments with non-combatant citizens, social giving, world acceptance etc.

But not negotiate with anyone, such as Terrorist States (queue sinister music while W pauses for effect, squints, leans forward...) who disagrees with us?  Because everyone who seems to not see things W's way is a "terrorist state."  Pretty broad strokes and a lot of paint needed for that brush.  Id like a definition, please?  And please try to avoid the use of rationale such as "when its done to U.S.."  A worldwide definition, thanks.

But to my point, who are we supposed to negotiate with, our allies?  Those who only do conventional or cold wars (or does McSame not want to talk to Russia too, and the reason why he wants them ousted from the G8, or the league of democracies, because democracies only matter?). 

And with all this non-talking going on, how the heck are we supposed to know who we dont agree with?  Im not sure assuming we know an entire peoples' motivations is necessarily bankable truism, but that may just me trying to make a sarcastic understatement of incredulity.  Should we trust McCain that he can just "see KGB" in someone's souls?

Sorry, not gonna follow you down that rabbit hole again.  War first?  Well, its a succinct slogan, but I'll pass for now, had my fill.  Talking sounds like a fresh idea.  Gathering intelligence- you know, the real kind, that whole thing.  Heck Im not only going to try it, Im going to dive in to this whole "fact" and "talk" and "intelligence" pile and see if  cant find peace along with non-inflated threats. 

If not, hey, I will fully support action before action is put upon us.  At the very least, it'd be nice to try to not start a third simultaneous war, the troops are tired men!  And our economy could use $4 trillion spent at home!

Be careful GOP, the more you talk, the more your warmonger undergarments show to the world.  Even your truest red followers see the the reality of their marriage.  The honeymoon is over.  Its true, just ask Mr. Childers in MI-01. 

Its not foreign policy minutia.  Its a question of Diplomacy first, or War.

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If I were Bush, I wouldn't be talking about the Nazis when his family managed to profit from them. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

I just watched Tweety administer a total ass whuppin' on Hardball. He was interviewing Mark Green and some loudmouthed Republican knucklehead about Bush's comments.

Matthews certainly seems to shift with the wind sometimes, but he can also be like a pit bull on some issues, and he absolutely chewed this Republican guy's leg off! Gory, and great fun. If you missed it, watch it at the 7:00PM showing.

Also, perhaps I missed this today in the hub-bub of MSM dissecting his 'no negotiating' pablum - but anyone talking at all about how Bush's military leaders' Iraq strategy incl our military making nice w/ the militia that used to kill our soldiers in order to help get some traction against Al Quaeda in Iraq and other pockets of resistance. Anyone - about giving arms to the people who had here-to-fore been shooting at us.

Does anyone ever call him out on his BS in a timely fashion - EVER? We negotiated w/, paid and armed our former enemies in the interest of fighting what we perceived to be the greater enemy. Whatever you think of the strategy - pragmatism or foolishness - how is he allowed to get away w/ lying so egregiously STILL?!?

I'll give partial credit to MSM for all the mention of him contradicting many of his own Cabinet members re negotiating w/ Iran ala Gates and Rice. But the above example seems to me a more glaring hypocrisy.

Sorry - Qaeda

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