Axelrod is the new Rove.

Maybe your posts get spat on because you cherry pick your facts man. Obama was against a Clinton donor sponsored re-vote.

The idea of an election being sponsored by one candidate is sickening in its ramifications.

What would you be saying if in 2004 Bush had said, "Hey it's ok Democrats, we'll do a re-vote in Florida... and here is a million dollars from the republican party to make it happen."

I think we would all be freaking out.

Stop cherry picking and we may take you more seriously.

I think you overstate the case a little, but ONLY a little.

If one were confined to getting his impressions only from TPM (Thank God, I'm not), one would have a hard time seeing much overall difference in tone between the GWB supporters of 2000 and the Obama supporters of 2008.

I think to be fair, one has to realize that "blog" culture is not truly representative of very much. A relatively small number of people have either the time, or the literary turn of mind, or just the inclination to spend a lot of time doing this. An even SMALLER number (often with hidden agendas of their own) tend to monopolize the discussion.

Let me give you the same advice I've given several other people in here who had problems with the behavior of fellow posters, for one reason or another:

You have ONE unique and entirely valid viewpoint. Express it as honestly and as fairly as you can, and let the chips fall. I've found in my own case that if you do that honestly, you CAN make a little bit of a difference (sometimes in ways you'll never be directly aware of). If you allow yourself to be run to the sidelines, you can't.

I'm an Obama supporter (former Edwards' supporter), but I agree with you about the elites.. but not just with the Obama campaign, there are plenty of them in the Clinton campaign, and across the democratic party. I agree with you about Hoho Dean as well. We had a wonderful DNC chair candidate who believed in true grassroot organizing who got slammed by the elites.. because the nutroots are NOT interested in true grassroots issues or empowerment.

The big problem in this election is NOT race, but class, again NOT RACE, but CLASS.

I don't care what the color of your skin is, if you are an elite, advocate the censorship of the rights of others, their free speech, their legitimate right to have their issues represented at the discussion table, you are guilty of censorship and fascism. Labeling others trolls, merely because you find their concerns inconvenient is an act of demonizing and demeaning, it's an act of violence and hatred. It is no different than the tactics of Mussolini or Hitler.

The elites in the Obama campaign do not care about the poverty faced by working poor and struggling black American. They are seeking to exploit their legitimate concerns for their own agenda. These are the same people who ran roughshod over the issues of working poor and struggling Americans of all colors and ethnicities in 2000 and 2004.

These same elites believe, like neo-cons, that civil rights and social justice should be redefined to what suits them only.. that you should have to be wealthy enough to purchase protection under the constitution and bill of rights.. that is no exageration. These are the nutroots types who pretend that there is no poverty in the US, that poor Americans who are white are "rednecks". Who attack anyone who challenges their rationale of imposing dire poverty, joblessness and homelessness on working poor, to middle class American citizens. These affluent nutroots are overwhelmingy white, but they also include people of color. Being indifferent, cruel, abusive, and exploitative are character traits, not decided on the color of your skin.

Go to the Obama blog and point out any articles that deal with the issues of poverty, or any that deal with outsourcing, with the need to take on the corporate elite's attempt to destroy wage and workplace protections in the US. You won't find one. The nutroots don't care about those issues. They're idea of a labor movement is lead by the likes of Andy Stern, who has been destroying worker's rights, depressing wages and cozying up with corporate and business elites. Stern doesn't even believe in the right for the rank and file to become union management.

Like in elections past, they will fail. From talking to democrats across Michigan, I am aware that there are more all the time feeling that the democratic party has returned to the same mindset, the same lack of ethics and values that it did when it was the party of slavery. They unfortunately might vote against democratic candidates because of this.

Hang on, hang on--I'm supposed to be paid for supporting Obama! Where's my check??