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It's Official: Hillary Clinton Has Cheated (Repost)


Now that the Democratic Party's rules committee has given both Florida and Michigan half of their delegate votes at the convention, I can now comfortably say that Hillary Clinton has done a great job of trying to cheat her way to a win. Of course, she's going to lose, but she still cheated. She's insisted since February - when it became more apparent that she'd lose - that Florida and especially Michigan should count in full. Alas, that's not what she originally said or promised. And had she been far ahead of Obama by the end of February, I'm going to venture a guess and say she'd be mum on the whole issue.

Before any primaries were held, all the Democratic candidates, including Clinton, signed this letter stating that no candidate
shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by rules and regulations of the DNC.
Hillary Clinton indeed signed this document. I've seen it myself on MSNBC. For those who don't believe it, Clinton's own Web site still has her pledge posted in her press release section.
We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process.

And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role.

Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.
So basically what we have here is someone who promised not to campaign in a place where she campaigned and has been crying foul because the DNC hasn't been letting her get away with it - but now it kind of is. That's called cheating.

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"Words Don't Matter," said Hillary Clinton.

Doesn't matter if they are spoken or written. All that matters is what the meaning of "is" is.

And yet one more example of the incompetence of her campaign? That they have failed to notice that evidence of her hypocrisy is still up on her website. Luv it.

Hillary is a "Cheatocrat"

you know what I discovered in watching the RBC today and the reasonable tone (for the most part) they struck in moving ahead with their motions and the perfectly reasonable compromise votes - is that Clinton has been doing this 'Full seating of delegates' argument for so long, and so loudly, that she had me half convinced she knew something nobody else knew and that the committee could very well reverse itself.

I should have known better! This should be a lesson on just how 'out there' the Clinton campaign has been for a couple of months now!

Is that signature binding? If it isn't, may I invite all Obama supporters to join me in a class action suit?

A class action suit is a terrible idea. It's not classy. Real elections are won on the narratives the media echo-chamber can repeat during the post-poll analysis. one narrative with which everyone is familiar is that of winning an election in the courts. Obama is just not that candidate. Hillary is. George Bush was. If he can't win honest, then what he believed in and what we believed in wasn't real in the first place.

Who said anything about deciding the election? I just want her down a few bucks and publicly embarrassed.

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Hillary didn't keep her promise. It may or may not be technically accurate to characterize that as "cheating," in the sense of dishonest conduct; I don't know for sure whether she meant the promise when she gave it. (Call me cynical, but I tend to think of not keeping campaign promises as "being a politician"... :-P )

But to characterize it as "cheating" is inflammatory, and doesn't help to unit the party: What she's done has certainly not been the same as "cheating" in the sense of not following the rules, because the current situation is exactly what the rules allow: the Rules & Bylaws Committee approves delegate selection procedures, and the Credentials Committee handles any challenges to seating delegates.

Mrs. Clinton could contribute to uniting the party by giving a nice concession speech Tuesday evening. By asking forgiveness to the voters for having ridiculed the nomination process by her disingenious and manipulative campaign.

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Those are lovely thoughts. Now where is the prophet or wonder worker to bring about the needed repentance and character growth in the twinkle of an eye?

Indeed, Hillary did not keep a promise that she may or may not have intended to keep in the first place. I think she did mean it at the time, as she was well ahead in the polls and probably calculated that Michigan and Florida wouldn't matter anyway (so much for being principled and demanding that those states count so people aren't disenfranchised). And yes, most politicians do lie, break promises, bend the truth, engage in obfuscation.

But whether or not she meant to keep the promise immaterial. When she signed a document that all other candidates signed, it means something. And when she's engaged in behavior in her campaign deliberately intended to hide this original fact and take it all the way to the convention, pretending she never agreed to the original DNC rules, that is an attempt at cheating. She's been trying to steal this election for herself and it hasn't worked. The very fact that the DNC felt the need to pander to her demands in direct contravention to the original signed document shows this.

Frankly, I'm going to call it like I see it. Folks can disagree, no problem. But I don't care of it hurts the party (the party really doesn't care what I think - I'm not really a Democrat anyway). The party is going to do what it wants, and if it's not careful, it will lose another election.

This is the kind of president she would have been. Lie, distort, cheat, pander....Kind of like the guy we have in there now. Just like him, in fact.

Thanks to Barack Obama, we won't ever need to experience this.

Need a bit of oceanfront swampland? I got some cheap....

Oceanfront swampland - how about offering that to Hillary Clinton. As cattle futures queen she will sure turn that into prime property and make a quick buck with which to repay her campaign debts. On behalf of the Hillary Obfuscation Campaign I wish to convey Hillary's heart-felt gratitude for your generous offer.

Need a bit of oceanfront swampland? I got some cheap....

You aren't the only one who got some swampland "cheap" from Hillary. Well, caveat emptor, as they say.

But Obama won the party today. He gave her 23 delegates and won the party.

He could have had MI 50/50 by one or two votes. He gave her the more generous split and a 4-1 victory in Committe votes and won the party.

He did what I admired about him as a state legislator in IL: he'll take an issue and convince the other side that the issue is in their best interests, and make them happy. It's what happened today and Robert Wexler was the perfect vehile to execute it. It was good, to everyone, on all levels.

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He's a man of class and rare character. He wants to lead by example. And bring the country along with him. May we all work at become better citizens - of the nation and the world.

Hillary engaged in vote suppression and disenfranchisement of those people who trusted her promised that FL/MI primaries are "obviously not going to count for anything". She does not have a single shred of moral ground to stand on. She should not have gotten a single half-delegate from the unfair FL/MI primaries. It's only through her total lack of conscience and Obama gentlemanly gesture of reconciliation that she walks away with a net of 23 delegates from her vote suppression scheme, straight into the junkyard of history where she belongs.

I am clueless on how Hilary has been allowed to continue her campaign. Do people not see what she is doing. She claims to have so much faith in her campaign, and her ideals, yet cannot commit herself fully behind it. People are contributing to her campaign because they believe in the cause. Hilary happily accepts their hard earned money with out flinching, but when she runs out of money she decides to loan money to her own campaign. This is a loan folks, she will get every cent back when it comes to claiming it on her taxes. Where is the commitment Mrs Clinton. Your supporters believe in you more then you believe in yourself. Keep letting your true followers blow all their money on a candidate who is doing nothing but destroying the chances for her party. And it doesn't matter to her, because it is not on her dime. Maybe someone should look into the fact that the republicans put her in the race as a plant to destroy the democrats chances?

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She may get every cent back. But it won't be with interest. And she didn't run the table!

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Uh, she hasn't cheated.

She didn't campaign in either state. She just left her name on the Michigan ballot. If you say that's campaigning then you have to say that Obama cheated by airing a commercial in Florida (which he purchased as part of a national ad buy).

But really, neither candidate cheated and both are within their rights to petition the party to count Florida and Michigan as they see fit. That's not cheating either -- why do these committees exist if candidates can't appeal to their judgment?

Leaving her name on the ballot falls under the "shall not participate" clause of the letter she signed in agreeing to DNC rules. I recall her making some stops in Michigan prior to the election there, but I could be wrong. Nonetheless, her name remaining on the ballot is participation.

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It's a gray area.

As was Obama's Florida commercial.

But as far as I'm concerned, nobody's cheated.

By all means, I agree to disagree. :-)

BTW, if I'm not mistaken, Florida rules did not allow for any candidates' names to be removed. Whether or not he would have done so if it were permitted is unknown.

"shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by rules and regulations of the DNC."

It would be good for someone to go look up the DNC's definitions of campaign activity as defined in the rules and regs.

Beyond that, she said it didn't count and then went 180 degrees the other way when those votes became crucial to HER interests. She agreed to the DNC rules and then she backed down from them when it was needed for her personal reasons and claimed that she was just about people's right to vote. Patently, clearly self-serving and a form of cheating.

Also remember that now, as one of the primary arguments she makes in favor of her candidacy in November, she insists she has won the popular vote if you count Michigan and Florida. So even if she didn't "participate" in Michigan, which I think she did, she's now insisting that her form of non-participation should certainly count. Where would the popular vote count be had Obama's name not been taken off the ballot? To Clinton that's immaterial, evidence of her being quite disingenuous and underhanded.

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