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It's time to truly reject and denounce: your help required


Hillary Clinton has finally crossed a line.  You can see a typical story about it here, but the relevant quote is:

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

Now, nevermind the unintended irony that those with less education support Hillary, her comments by dividing up the electorate by race is exceedingly dangerous.  Her campaign is sowing these seeds of mistrust throughout the media at present in a last, desperate attempt to help her win the nomination.

There are a number of number of elected members of Congress who have endorsed Hillary who, themselves, are in that "non-white" class to which she is willing to dismiss.  In California this list is:

CA-5: Doris Matsui  Asian  (born in an Interment Camp!)

CA-32: Hilda Solis   Latina

CA-33: Diane Watson   Black

CA-34: Lucille Roybal-Allard   Latina

CA-35: Maxine Waters   Black

CA-37: Laura Richardson   Biracial (like Obama)

CA-38: Grace Napolitano   Latina

CA-43: Joe Baca    Latino

CA-47: Loretta Sanchez   Latina

It's time for these elected officials, who are on record supporting Hillary, to call her out on this type of racial politics. Their constituents should urge them on to that mission.  This list needs to "reject and denounce" the comments made by a US Senator seeking the highest executive office in the country.

I urge all TPM readers to add their own states in the comments section below and pass this list out to fellow citizens.  If the Democratic Party can't get their house in order on issues of race and gender, then the party line of inclusiveness is very hypocritical indeed.




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working, hard-working Americans, white Americans

I'm hearing that as "hard-working Americans" are the same as "white Americans." No?

wtf?! When did that happen?

aargh! Five thumbs!

Try again --


I'm hearing that as "hard-working Americans" are the same as "white Americans." No?

wtf?! When did that happen?

Unbelievable, isn't it? But do you remember Bill C after the initial REv. Wright blow-up and Obama's great Philadelphia speech on race? He went before a VFW crowd in N Carolina and said, referring to McCain and Hillary (I'm paraphrasing from memory), "Wouldn't it be great if we had two good, patriotic candidates in this race who could debate the real issues, instead of this other stuff?" Racial division has been their prime tactic since New Hampshire-- as they grow really desperate now, they're dropping even the coded language and just making nakedly racist appeals.

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You've put your finger on one of the other problems they are fomenting. First, they make statements that divide the electorate. And next, they project it onto Obama (or the blacks or intended targets). It's a kind of crazy-making tactic, that utilizes bigotry and then distances from it - while claiming moral superiority!

So it's not just a black/white thing here. It's like a kind of pretzel logic, which ties your neurons into knots - so you literally can't think straight. I have observed that bill clinton is particularly adept at this process. And it is a toxic kind of mental gymnastics which is highly volatile and hard to counterattack.

Like clearthinker, this concerns me greatly. We need to notice when this is happening and call them on it. It needs a name. It's not just divisive. It's divide and conquer and try to appear moralistic all at the same time. Wish I had a term. Because with appropriate language, we can attack this better.

From my vantage point within the mental health field, I see this as something people use to maintain control of an issue. Pathological control of it. You sow confusion and then move in for a mortal blow, while appearing to stand on high moral ground.

Without a way to term this, it's hard to call your reps and complain accurately.


Let the punishment fit the crime: let's dub it "Clintoning the debate" ;-)

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How about "clin-tone" a certain tone... clintonesque!

And here's something more descriptive of it:

The clintons are experts at a kind of pretzel logic - something which appears logical to some (the intended audience) but ties the neurons in knots for everyone else! It is an insidiously destructive manner of speech - which destroys speech sense in the process!

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Ok. Here goes.

Verb = to clinton.

Participle = clintoning

Noun = billarism

You need a whole vocabulary just to parse the twisted language and nab the criminals in the act!

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TheraP,

Exactly. And you see the same behavior from several so-called Clinton supporters here all the time (they may well be Rove/Limbaugh trolls, but qui sait?). Anyway, it is hard to draw them into reasoned debate -- I tried all day with one called Redux and it just doesn't work. I made an honest effort to be civil with this person (who accused all Obama supporters of seeing racial insults in every "innocent" comment) and s/he just wouldn't have it.

Raises the question of just how do you a) separate Rove/Limbaugh Troll from Unhappy Clinton Supporter and b) ignore the former and productively engage and mend fences with the latter?

I don't think she was necessarily saying that non-white Americans aren't hardworking Americans - just that she does better with white hardworking Americans. But, who knows?

And she says "wider" so she's obviously calling them fat. That's the only way it makes sense since a coalition of working and hard-working fat white americans is a rather exclusive group.

Now, nevermind the unintended irony that those with less education support Hillary, her comments by dividing up the electorate by race is exceedingly dangerous. Her campaign is sowing these seeds of mistrust throughout the media at present in a last, desperate attempt to help her win the nomination.

Dear clearthinker,

I know you will disagree with me, but I don't think Hillary is saying this to win the nomination. I'm willing to be wrong and I'm expecting to get ridiculed for saying it, but I think this is the party testing the Appalachian waters in WV and KY to see if voters will react positively or negatively to Obama as a GE candidate. A trial run for the GE, if you will. After WV and KY, Hillary will concede. Can't prove this, of course, but I will be watching for how the party leaders react to her comments.

How about we leave the polling to Gallop?

Or how about Gallup?

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Rec'd! If I wasn't an expat, I'd supply my state's list. Agreed it's time to do more than talk among ourselves about how bad this is.

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What the heck, I'll supply folks' state, Missouri:

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (MO)

Rep. Ike Skelton (MO)

Fmr. Rep. Dick Gephardt (MO)

DNC Doug Brooks (MO)

DNC Sandy Querry (MO)

It seems like the fastest way to find your state's superdelegates is here:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

I just did a search on the page for my state abbreviation inside parentheses, i.e., (MO) , and then it was easy to pick out the highlighted superdels under the Clinton columns.


Very cool, Chino. But to be specific, the list I made wasn't just people who endorsed Hillary. They are people who are in the non-white categories that Hillary is subtlety dismissing in the electorate.

In other words, they are endorsing against their self-interest given who Hillary sees as important.

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Ahhh, got it! Sorry if I got so eager to pitch in that I flubbed the concept.

The only non-white on my list is Gephardt ... but it's not like I'm expecting him or anyone else to all-of-a-sudden start looking out for those of us in the incandescent pink demographic.

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BWHAHAHAHAHA

No reason to limit this to "non-white." The point is that this sort of talk divides the Democratic coalition, and paints the likely nominee as a marginal McGovernite. The self-destructive implications are something that any elected Democrat should be able to understand. No melanin required.

But honestly, I'm not sure that HRC cares what the supers think anymore. She knows she's not winning the nomination. This is coming from spite, and/or as part of an attempt to blackmail some money out of Obama by threatening to continue the "Annie Oakley" schtick.

My point is that those non-whites can speak with a moral authority that would be hard to miss or misinterpret as mere politics. I'm not saying, of course, and you didn't imply that I think it's only a non-white issue.

Conscience. Shocked.

I read the article again, and I'm still disgusted. Here's the deal... the way "careful" politicians speak is very different from actual speech. The way "careful" politicians speak is generally grammatically incorrect, and largely incoherent. This has been much satirized in our culture, but I think the clearest recent example is Schwarzenegger's "all of these things." For example, he would be asked a question about something either politically inexpedient, or requiring complex thought; and since he is both expedient and incapable of complex thought, he would reply with one of his "and all of these things" sentence constructions. Let's say the question was something like "what is your stance on global warming?" And he might reply something like "with the oceans, and the scientists, and the disagreement, and the cars, and the future, and all of these things..." and maybe he'd eventually stumble on a period.


In this context, I understand Clinton's remark. It's one of those bullshit unending "sentences" with a ton of commas, no predicate, and no period. This type of PR speak is so new, that we don't even have an appropriate term for these sorts of mistakes-- Spoonerisms, Malapropisms, etc. But still, much like the Freudian slip, what makes this comment so absolutely damning, is that it is damning even sans parsing. It's repugnant to speak artfully about demographics, when you mean sexism. Racism. Ageism. Religious bigotry. Class warfare. This might be the most racist thing I have heard from a major Democratic figure-- ever.

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The same points were made by Garin and Wolfson in the Wed. morning conference call, bragging about Clinton's success in separating white voters from Obama, described on this thread:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/hillarys-35-strategy.php
Nothing has changed in the Clinton strategy after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, except that it has become more blatant. It's bizarre to hear Party leaders praising Clinton and pretending that she's doing no harm, and it's even more bizarre that she thinks she can parlay such tactics into a spot on the ticket.

Oh, I 100% agree that nothing has changed, except that it has become more blatant. My point is that, in making more blatant something that is walking right up to the edge of racism, she walked right over the edge here. People like you and I (I'm not making an assumption here, except for rhetorical effect) knew all the way back in the South Carolina primary that they were race baiting. But here it is, completely blatant, as you say, completely unhidden, completely unmasked. Sickening.

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I'm with you, lbp. But enough of this ineffective whining!

What we should do is identify all those voters who'll take race into consideration and pull their voter ID cards. Problem solved.

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Give it a rest, Ellen.

The whole notion of "electability" is a profoundly misguided and anti-democratic concept. There's a reason elementary schoolteachers ask children to put their heads down on their desks before voting by show of hands: they're learning to make independent decisions. Asking which candidate is more "electable" pre-emptively marginalizes one's own value as a unique perceiver and one's agency as a democratic participant.

As if we ever make truly "independent" decisions. I understand that we don't. But for now, we've got a process, and I'm all for letting it run its course. Well and good. But for crying out loud, let's not pretend that what Hillary appealed to today reflects either democratic or Democratic values.


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Right on.

And all the more sickening that we have to endure elders like Feinstein make carefully parsed, respectful statements like "[S]he says she will do nothing that causes the party any difficulty."

Thanks, Dianne. Good to know you're keeping tabs on your sister...

What does this all mean, that the supers are not coming out en masse for Obama? I'm not getting officially frightened and outraged.

How do they allow the Clintons to hijack the party and trash every Democratic ideal we hold dear? Are they actually considering her nonsense? Do they not see that all Obama needs is the support of the party? He's done amazing things without it; but with it, everything changes.

Are the party elders really willing to throw away the future of the party and all our time, money, commitment and enthusiasm?

Are they possibly that stupid?

I guess I'll do a post on this, because maybe we need to start asking these questions. We thought all it would take was the handwriting on the wall on Tuesday night. But it has not happened. There should have been a groundswell today.

How do they stay silent when Hillary and Bill have turned this party into the party of race baiters? What the hell is wrong here?

The supers may step in yet, if Hillary doesn't stop either clumsily or intentionally emphasizing a potential racial rift in Democratic voting constituencies.

I think they've held back so far to avoid needlessly angering and alienating Hillary's huge group of supporters. Allowing her a graceful exit would provide the best chance of preserving the whole coalition.

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You and I are on the same page here. Yes, it's a kind of illogic. For which we do not yet have a term. (that I know of)

See my comment upthread.

We've seen a lot of this with bush/rove. Now we're seeing it in Dems. And not surprising which ones!

It is insidious. And it confounds logic. Which thus allows the speaker to appear to have the upper hand. To appear to have won an "argument" of some type.

We need a term. And we need to describe the many faces of this kind of speech-control. So as to call it out. And denounce it!

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It may not be clear that my response above was to littleblackpropaganda's initial comments.

Great post. On the money.

Meant this for littleblackpropaganda's long post above on the language of this new politics speak.

Thanks for this post. I completely agree and am horrified. (What else does one say about racism?)My only suggestion is that we contact all representatives. Racism is an issue for all of us. I will call my representatives -- Schumer, Clinton and Hinchey -- today.

Yup: Clinton is mine.

I have to call her office to tell my Senator I am concerned about the racist comments of one of the political candidates who bares her name and who once resembled her.

Peace,

Laura

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O man, she gets worse instead of better - "hard working" ? Is this some veiled reference to welfare and the proverbial laziness of AA's?


Jesus.

Well, remember back before she was the "fighter", she was promoting herself as the "hard worker". At the time I didn't think she was intentionally engaging in dog whistle politics by pushing the hard worker meme, but after these remarks, it's hard not to look back and wonder.

Well, I can only hope that what she said is less the product of her own feelings and more the consequence of that slicer and dicer of the electorate, Mark Penn, having had her ear for so long.

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Yeah, there's a subliminal quality here. Of using phrases which have deeper meanings that we realize, till it's too late and the meaning has had its desired effect. It is a kind of insidious PR/psych operation... geared toward being under the radar and influencing subtly... while not appearing to.

Good thought--Though I'd say your call ought to go out re/ all Congressional supporters of Clinton. There needs to be much more up-front confronting of the Clintons on their race-baiting, and a broad rejection of it. Too many party leaders are in denial, at least public denial, about this.

I agree. Persons of any race and color should find these remarks offensive.

All democrats should be horrified. I'm 58 years old, a white female and a feminist. My party doesn't act this way, especially by a national candidate.

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Hey guys - I'll see y'all in about a week - I'm off to Taos to get my house ready for the season.


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How elitist is that? (just kidding...)

oh what nonsensical bleating....

on another note: I am a bit of an amateur ethnographer, and am passingly familiar with a few hundred distinct ethnic groups, and intimately with a few dozen. Today I saw a gypsy family, and I thought, oh, there is at least one ethnic group I regard more dimly than African-Americans. Mind you, I haven't yet been to Africa proper, so I am sure Hutus etc etc are even scarier and less worthy of respect, as groups anyway. But the gypsies are not loved by anybody in Europe, although I know several Americans who get all weepy because the Slovaks and Romanians aren't nice to them. Well, for good reason. A people who believe work is dishonorable, but that stealing is honorable? Believe me, not nice poeple to have as neighbors. At the other end of the spectrum would be Slovenes. Polite, educated, cosmopolitan, gracious, disinclined to violence, and athletic to boot. Serbs are are also great people, a lot more outgoing than the Slovenes, but when they congregate in a crowd they tend to start jabbering like monkeys (see "Kovoso"). Greeks are overly haughty, and to dumb to realize they are just hellenized Slavs, and any people that cheer when foreign diplomats are assasinated doesn't get my high regard. You see, broad generalizations about different groups of people can be reasonably made. And unfortunately, African-Americans are just not very nice, broadly speaking. Although I will not that Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans can be pretty nasty much of the time, oh and American Jews are by and large a disgraceful bunch. Entirely unlike Israeli Jews, at least the kind who serve in the military, and not the fruitcake settler type.

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Yowza. "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans." White Americans are the hard-working Americans. That's the logical result of that phrasing.

The longer I look at this, the more disturbed I get. It makes Chris Matthews' there are "regular" Americans and black Americans comment seem almost tame by contrast.

It totally obliterates Matthews' comment.

This is ridiculous. Her remarks are about class, not race. Obama is an upper middle class white boy. Have you ever heard him use the N-Word? That means he is either white and/or educated. In this country such a person can't be in the lower class, or the working class.

Hillary is only pointing to the fact that upper middle class white men can't be elected president -- unless they are running against a white upper middle class man and they are really rich.

I'm going to write my gal, Stephanie Tubbs-Jones.

If you go to Doris Matsui's website you will notice her support for Hillary came with a promise from Hillary to appoint her to a committee supporting Asian interests. I wrote to her earlier in the campaign when Hillary started her "kitchen sink" tactics. I acknowledged her personal concerns regarding Asian interests and that she came out in support for Hillary before the California primary. But I asked her to reconsider her endorsement. Sacramento County voted by a slim margin for Obama. This did not move her. She did not respond to my e-mail. In fact other e-mails to her have been very disappointing. The responses I have received have been standard form letters that did not address me personally. Today I will call her office to give them my piece of mind. I will remind her that Democrats are the big tent, welcoming to all races, that must speak out loudly against skin tone prejudices. I have been extremely upset by the Clintons race baiting. The media narrative from their camp has been "we cannot win the White House without appealing to ignorant lower class white bigots". Rather than informing these voters of the error in their thinking she promotes it to the party's detriment.

Interesting. Sorry to be dense--but this is sarcasm, right?

Oops. That should have been a response to domerask.

No, just ridiculous.

ARGH!

WENCH HILLARY SPEAKS!

TO THE BOLD AND THE MEEK!

AND SHE DOESN'T USE ANY SPIN!

OBAMA DISTORTS!

SIPPING LATTE AND PORT!

BUT SHE'S IN THE WHITE RACE TO WIN!

AVAST YE LANDLUBBERS! KNOW THE POWER OF THE PANTSUIT!

SHE'LL BRING BACK THE CORPORATE RAIDER 1990S!

ACQUIRE! MERGE! MARAUD! DILUTE! DILUTE!

ARGH!

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These guys are all over it:

http://www.americablog.com/

Thanks for the link. It's a something to consider. Up until now I've supported Hillary, and I was fine with this going to the convention. Let's hope that people realize that at this point more money won't improve her chances.

Given all that she and others have invested in her run, I can't blame her for hanging in there -- just in case -- but it's out of her hands now.

All I know is, every time she says something stupid, I donate $100 worth of "white vote" to Obama's campaign.

God, I'd be soooo broke.

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Right. And not only that it does not solve the problem. Yes, you're rewarding the good guy. But unless you can call a spade a spade and make sure that everyone sees you are pointing out a dastardly type of "logic," it does not attack the problem!

I have a suggestion at a phrase as you requested...way upstream!

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Saw that! And I modified it a bit: "clin-tone"

Or you could use it against them by "billarism"

A "billarism" - a speech act that destroys logic and sense in the process.

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The Clin-tones!

Starring Bill on sax!

Chelsea on rhythm guitar...!

and... here she is... Hillary at lead singer!

Seriously, I think saying "this speech has a Clin-tone to it" is very good!

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Ok. Spread it around!

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Clearthinker, you shouldn't use the word "typical" when attacking Clinton. It reminds her supporters of how Obama called his previously described racist grandmother as a "typical white person". Better yet, you shouldn't be attacking Clinton any more. Not if you want to do your part to help trick her supporters into thinking that you would welcome their support for Obama.

Otto, there is no need to "trick" anyone. Besides, you are too smart to be tricked.

Vote for the candidate of your choice in November. Since I never expect people to vote for Party, you will hear the same arguments as the registered Indies and GOPers. I encourage you to do what you feel needs to be done to get the best POTUS in the White House.

I wouldn't begin to insult your intelligence by pandering to you. If you feel that Obama is now the Dem nominee, I have an assignment for you:

Please go to these websites and look at the policies:

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

http://www.johnmccain.com/

I'm not saying to vote based on policy alone, but it's important for you to become educated about, at very least, the two major party candidates.

I look forward in having discussions with you in the future.

Slightly off topic, but.... "your help required" - I love this line. This is what we've been missing since 9/12/2001. The next 4 years will be about getting everyone on board to right this ship.

Hey! There is a "we" in "Yes We Can". ;-)

Thanks for underscoring an important point.

You know I cannot make up my mind as to what she's really doing here.

Is she putting down the high school educated white voter as dimwits who can be suckered into vote for her,

or

if she is channeling the anger of white, low information and low income voter against the black candidate and the black folk who have surged to his candidacy. You know, the low income non-white people who compete with low income white voters for their jobs?

The same argument that Paul Begala was spouting and the ubiquitous and dogged Lanny Davis on Tues night. I noted, specifically, Begala's disgust at "egg-heads and AA" voters.

What kind of ads are we going to see in WV and KY if this is Clinton's theme going into those states? Will she invoke something akin to the Jesse Helms "hands" strategy?

Seriously, I'm starting to wonder how far she is going to go with this.

I'm starting to wonder how far she is going to go with this.

I'm guess as far as it takes for her to wrangle some sort of major national power out of this campaign -- even when she is not the nominee.

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but it is becoming ever clearer that these people should never have power.

Never again!

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I fear you're on the right track. And maybe the point is to be confusing about "what she's really doing there."

"billarism" - that's how they speak! "billary speak" is a kind of language destruction, logic destruction. A sowing of confusion while attempting to appear high moralistic and helpful to some group.

Yes, the confusion allows her to go which ever way she wants. The ads will tell.

She mentions white Americans as synonymous with hard working Americans who have not completed college -- now, WV and KY are both mostly white states with very small populations of AA. So she's appealing to them, portraying herself as their special friend and champion. Yet, while championing them, she's implying that they are racists and Obama is an elitist. That's the silent-but-loud part.

Or maybe this is just her running on very little sleep and she misspoke?

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That's how they sing the "clin-tone!"

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Yes! You've got it!

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I had three different conspiracy theories about her motivation.

But on reflection, I think she's just out of other arguments. She feels compelled to offer some reason for persisting in the campaign, and the racial "electability" argument is what she's been relying on (tacitly) for a couple of months now. So out it comes, a little more baldly than usual.

But on reflection, I think she's just out of other arguments.

Out of arguments, out of money, and has laid claim to a select group of low-income voter as her special preserve. As in – My campaign is broke, therefore these are my peeps and I feel them, Obama does not.

Nothing has changed in the Clinton strategy after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, except that it has become more blatant.

Yes, and it's become so blatant that the superdelegates and Party leaders should feel very comfortable denouncing overt racial division by a Democratic candidate. That's not what this party stands for. Where the hell are the superdelegates?

David Duke hearts the KKKlintons.

Nice. lots of double meanings can be read into it.

The low income, low information white voter is the only group that has not wholly abandoned her. The AA have left her, the eggheads have left her, and many of the white, low income have also jumped ship. A significant portion, however, has not and she's making sure they stick to her as she undergoes another morphing and becomes their champion.

I hope Obama fights hard in WV and KY.

Hillary Clinton's statement makes me question Ferraro's insight that Barack's race gives him an advantage. Maybe Hillary had the advantage all along, and Ferraro was confused. I don't know who to believe anymore.

Brilliant irony. Thanks!

P.S. In case you had doubts, I am completely stealing this little gem and fully intend on re-using it elsewhere.

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Once upon a time, being a liberal white American meant accepting that African-Americans get a seat at the table. Being an assertive liberal meant insisting on that seat. Maybe even discovering that Latinos should be included, too.

Now, being an American means we arrive at every table looking forward to meeting someone new. Even if the folks who show up that day are all "white," we want to find out who's bringing deviled eggs, who's bringing the tofu stir-fry, and who's got something we've never tried before.

I don't think Senator Clinton meant that non-white Americans aren't hard-working. I think she revealed a different assumption. It's the idea that white Americans are the regular Americans, so it's odd to have to mention their whiteness.

She knows, cerebrally, about a nation built on diversity. She doesn't know it below the conscious level, where her emotions and reflexes operate. And when she's very tired, the intellectual commitment loses out to the deeper understanding.

It's okay to have some folks like that still around. We're supposed to keep talking to them, helping them change, loving them even if they never really get make the big adjustment to a fully shared country.

But no one talks about my country that way gets my vote.

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