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Obamacrats Take the High Road
Hillary invoked Bobby Kennedy’s assassination defending her decision not to drop out of the race.
To be honest, I don't think Hillary holds a sadistic view of possible Obama assassination as her pathway to presidential nomination.
I'm not her supporter and but let’s admit it’s a gaffe, a misstatement, a poor and distasteful historical analogy. Hillary and supporters were at their ugliest self exploiting Obama’s “bitter” gaffe and unfortunately her shameless exploitation showed some affect at the polls.
It’s time for us to be a bigger person.
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Hillary invoked Bobby Kennedy’s assassination defending her decision not to drop out of the race. However, to be honest, I don't think Hillary holds a sadistic view of possible Obama assassination as her pathway to presidential nomination.
I'm not her supporter and but let’s admit it’s a gaffe, a misstatement, a poor and distasteful historical analogy. Hillary and supporters were at the ugliest self exploiting Obama’s “bitter” gaffe and unfortunately her shameless exploitation showed some affect at the polls.
It’s time for us to be a bigger person.
Feel free to point out the reckless disregard in her follow-up “non-apology” statement. She expressed regret towards the Kennedys but blatantly ignored the fact that her statement also had ill-references toward Obama. That’s very disappointing.
Don’t accuse Hillary of maliciousness. Please don’t.
This new episode is further evidence the democratic primary process should end for all the infighting to end. It’s hurting everyone.
Anyway, bottom line, take the high road.
May 23, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I, too, had thought to cut Hillary some slack on this one, but I realized the evidence — circumstantial but abundant — indicates she was using code to supers for "Obama is a target."
Her statement is indefensible, seen in the light of her bid for the vice-presidency and her chief fundraiser's statement today, as reported on the TPM front page:
Nemazee went on, "It goes without saying that this argument is predicated on the fact that the single most important aspect of Senator Obama's decision is who is able to serve as president in a moment's notice should that need arise. And it is clear that Hillary Clinton fills that role."
Assume the presidency at a moment's notice. When has that happened in our history? After an assassination. Clinton is too skilled a politician to let this slip not once, but multiple times from her tongue.
She knows what she is saying. It is part of her argument. She is ruthless.
May 23, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
If we take the high road Hillary's supporters accuse of being weak. If we answer tit for tat they say, where's the change? You're just as dirty as anyone else.
I was phonebanking for a local Dem house challenger here in IL this week. We were calling first time Dem voters in the IL primary to see if they'd come over to our side, fell in love with Obama or Hillary, or thought now they had a momentary lapse of sanity and were leaning Repub again.
I got a woman on the phone and she wanted to know who my guy supported, Hillary or Barack. I wasn't gonna lie to her and this being Illinois I figured I was safe anyway. I told her his campaign organized and caravaned over 30 volunteers to IN the Saturday before their primary to canvass for Barack.
She immediately soured. Told me she didn't think she and her husband were interested. They are big Hillary supporters. I told her our field organizer worked for Hillary in IA and MN, we have all kinds here. Our candidate isn't the Obama candidate, or the Hillary candidate, he's the DEMOCRATIC candidate.
You're right kash, but it's tough. We all ought to take our lead from Barack. The guy has more self restraint than Jackie Robinson. This will all be over in a few weeks and I for one will be happy when I'm not fending off other Dems with one hand tied behind my back, holding my tongue and can go after McCain unencumbered.
May 23, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark:
I admire your efforts for the dem candidate. From the beginning I felt, Obama has to get a 50% majority not fron the 100% but 90-95% of the total electorate. But I admit I was surprised to witness the extent of racial bias in the primary and we're just stepping into genral. Hillary attacks and tactics have only made Obama's hurdles a little higher.
I'm not a fan of Hillary to put it mildly- but in this case it's not about her suppporters but it is the right thing not to accuse her.
May 23, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a very painful and horrific statement that she made. I also believe that she misspoke, but the damage has been done. After the bad Huckabee joke from last week, this is not helping.
May 23, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unlike some who think this is nail on the coffin- I think this is weekends news digest and while comments are distasteful and her reluctance to apologize to Obama arrogant, it is not right to exploit and depict her in the darkest light.
May 23, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree.
More:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/clinton-calls-vp-chatter-completely-untrue/index.html?hp
May 23, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you watch the entire interview video on the Argus website, the most notable thing about her is how tired she looks. She gets all the answers right- (except the RFK reference, but even that is excusable if you consider that it had been used several times before as acceptable "shorthand" (because it was so long ago and we all know he was shot while campaigning hard in CA.)
Teddy's recent shocking news has made the comment embarrassing. (Because his death is felt as imminent with his horrible recent diagnosis of a nasty malignant brain tumor). We are reminded again of the sharp pain of both JFK and RFK, and the other monumentally-excruciating 1968 assassination of MLK.
I never got the assassination thing that people speak about with black presidential candidates. Colin Powell said that is why Alma wouldn't let him run. i trust our secret service to keep any presidential candidate, or president safe
Please, I appeal to your better selves, don't ascribe this kind of thinking to what Hillary said. It is wrong on so many levels.
May 23, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure what you meant to say? Who's is ascribing to what Hillary said?
May 23, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Assassination is not a mnemonic device to help people remember the date of past California primaries.
Senator Clinton surely knows that millions upon millions of Americans remember that trauma, whether as adult grief or as a childhood glimpse of a parent in tears. She knows Ethel Kennedy will be awake all night because of her dreadful remarks. Just on those grounds the remark is intolerably insensitive.
Beyond that, she is well aware of the threats that come to African-American officials on a steady basis. She knew and understood why Senator Obama's Secret Service protection started so very early. She sees what we all see after each Obama speech: his security detail is large and stays very close because the threats are there every day. She knows Michelle Obama will be awake all night, too. On those grounds, too, the remark and the failed follow-yup are wickedly awful.
Her inability to see that before she spoke and her inability to address it seriously after the remarks were released show that she is in emotional free-fall and intellectual meltdown.
May 23, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but for some of us we remember when and where we were with RFK's death much better than with JFK's: Flashback
May 24, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What she said was stupid. She's said it before too. It shows a strange focus with RFK's assassination. Yet, she failed to acknowledge that her Democratic opponent may be an object of same violence as may she be such an object. She's tired. I hope she withdraws soon. She's exhausted and heart-broken. All the more reason to give her room to leave gracefully.
May 24, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
No graceful exit asking people to disregard the sheer distastefulness of the comment, we are asking people to disregard their very strong feelings. Are we being asked to show restraint to "be civil" to HRC? Or perhaps to "show her respect"? She has not done that for the voters, why on earth to do that for her?
May 24, 2008 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can certainly understand Obama remaining mum. He needs to say nothing here. But as for the rest of us, I agree with you. Why give her yet another free pass? If Obama had been the perpetrator of sniper-gate, he would have been driven from the race inside of a week. If McCain had made the "hardworking white Americans" comment he would have been gone inside of 48 hours.
My husband remarked earlier: "Can you imagine what Howard Dean must be thinking right now?" He was driven from the race for making a totally non-offensive, innocuous speech at a campaign rally. He was called mentally unstable for yelling "yeah!" at a campaign rally. And he was driven out of a presidential race for it. And she gets away with this? Un-fucking-believable.
No free pass here. She is despicable, and she should have the integrity to withdraw.
May 24, 2008 3:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I share your frustration, but this is not certainly the worst mistake comitted by Hillary in this contest. Further, yes I'm requesting civility and fairness- not respect.
May 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said.
May 24, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kash ~~
I do understand that you're asking Obama supporters to be civil. I agree - as much as I want to punch HRC's lights out, I won't do it (like I'd get the chance), but mostly because I think she'd get sympathy votes, not because I think trying to knock some sense into her is a bad thing. I agree that HRC supporters need to be handled in such a way that brings them back into the fold, however, why is simply pointing out something unacceptable an insult or not being civil? We're getting into ridiculous territory here.
May 25, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
libgirl~~
I couldn't agree with you more, but I do understand that demonizing HRC alienates her supporters (I could say some choice things about that state of mind but if I did, I wouldn't be civil). I do think that she should withdraw immediately, but obviously, that's not going to happen and it's a shame. History will not be kind to her.
May 25, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
see, nothing oblahblah says is stupid--because he never SAYS anything except CHANGE! INSPIRE! NEW!!! The fool is an empty rhetoric machine spouting happy-meal words to an audience raised on fast food and little cheap toys with their pasty "meals". obamabots have no clue what a real meal deal really is.
Apparently, though, MIchelle obama does know--have you seen that chicks behind? I can bet she throws her butt around and pushes that skeletor around to do her bidding. Besides, I am not the only one who thinks (looking at her stance, shoulders and walk) that michelle is really some guy in drag--seriously. Take a good look at her next time she walks onstage anywhere--she is like a really bad guy in drag.
Please, america is not ready for the a first lady in drag--keep michelle/michael out of the white house!
May 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would somebody please take out the trash? It suddenly smells rancid in here.
May 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Judy Honey...I have a few words of advise in the crap you posted on your own blog.
May 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to ignore the troll, and just say that I recommend this post.
It's not about being "nice" to Hillary, it's about preserving our own calm, and balance, and dispassionate judgment.
It's about not letting our movement degenerate into the kind of with-us-or-against-us, anger-fueled discussion you see on right-wing sites.
This primary is very close to over. We need to keep our eyes on the prize.
May 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this thread, Kash79.
I was angry yesterday. Today, not so much. Today, it's just another thingy gaffe she made. I'm glad Obama has not used this against her. The primaries will be over soon.
May 24, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Kash.
This pretty much echoes my thinking, except that I feel angry because this has taken the heat off McCain at a time when he was getting attention for the Hagee stuff.
As an Obama supporter, I don't mind having Clinton still in the race so long as we use the fact that there are two major Democrats on a national stage to good effect - the best way of doing that is by teaming up on McCain and talking about a Democratic Victory in November.
This assassination gaffe was just a dumbass comment, and whether or not it reveals any dark Clinton strategy, I don't really care - since she's not going to get the nomination, she's not going to be VP, so I'm only really interested in her if she's saying bad things about McCain. Anything else is just yet another boring gaffe-sideshow: probably the ABC political team are salivating right now...
May 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now there's something I can definitely agree about. ABC. Ugh.
May 24, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink