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The Reason Obama Lost Regan Democrats, and How He Gets Them Back
If you listen to the spin put forth by the Clinton camp, the reason for Obama's huge loss in WV is because he can't win the Working Class White vote. We have heard this ad-nauseum for the last month or so. But there is another factor at work that has nothing to do with demographics. Its all about familiarity with the candidates.
In the states Obama has won, he did a tremendous job of getting his message to as many people as possible, either through ads, town-halls, rallies, phone calls by volunteers, or door to doors. He made himself a known commodity to people in those states. Even in OH, where he trailed by as much as 25%+, he cut the deficit down because he got people to know who he was and what he stood for.
He didn't lose OH, PA, and other swing states because the working class wouldn't vote for him. He lost because more undecided voters went to Clinton. In my opinion, they broke for Clinton because of the brand name. They may have wanted to vote for Obama, but still did not have all the information needed to break the tie in their minds, so they went with the name they knew from the 90's.
In WV and other rural areas, they usually vote with what they know. Bush won there because of name recogniton, no matter how bad daddy was, and Clinton wins there because they remember that when Bill was the President, the economy was good, so she must be just as good. They may not have taken the time to get to know what each candidate offered, so they went with the name brand.
Obama didn't aggressively court the rural vote, sticking to a primary strategy that took him to high population centers to maximize delegate counts. That is how he will win this nomination. He solidified the urban areas. As he shifts into General Election mode, he will start winning over the rural, and blue collar voters. He will spend more time with them, and show them he will be there for them. He will probably not have as many big rallies, but spend more time in factories. He understands that to win the primary, you go where the population is. To win the Presidency, you get the "Regan Democrats" back. But, you have to do it one step at a time.
In the states Obama has won, he did a tremendous job of getting his message to as many people as possible, either through ads, town-halls, rallies, phone calls by volunteers, or door to doors. He made himself a known commodity to people in those states. Even in OH, where he trailed by as much as 25%+, he cut the deficit down because he got people to know who he was and what he stood for.
He didn't lose OH, PA, and other swing states because the working class wouldn't vote for him. He lost because more undecided voters went to Clinton. In my opinion, they broke for Clinton because of the brand name. They may have wanted to vote for Obama, but still did not have all the information needed to break the tie in their minds, so they went with the name they knew from the 90's.
In WV and other rural areas, they usually vote with what they know. Bush won there because of name recogniton, no matter how bad daddy was, and Clinton wins there because they remember that when Bill was the President, the economy was good, so she must be just as good. They may not have taken the time to get to know what each candidate offered, so they went with the name brand.
Obama didn't aggressively court the rural vote, sticking to a primary strategy that took him to high population centers to maximize delegate counts. That is how he will win this nomination. He solidified the urban areas. As he shifts into General Election mode, he will start winning over the rural, and blue collar voters. He will spend more time with them, and show them he will be there for them. He will probably not have as many big rallies, but spend more time in factories. He understands that to win the primary, you go where the population is. To win the Presidency, you get the "Regan Democrats" back. But, you have to do it one step at a time.
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I think you are right. It is all about familiarity with the candidates. The more familiar voters get with Obama, the worse he does.
May 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, Otto you're so right... in 49 contests the voters so disliked him that he lost 17 times...
Amazing... Clinton voters love her so much that she lost their vote after spending time with her 32 times.... I am shocked!!! i tell you shocked...
May 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. If he does any worse, he'll soon be facing the incredibly bleak prospect of winning the nomination and spending the next eight years of his life trapped in the dead-end job of President of the United States. Poor, poor Obama.
May 15, 2008 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lol...the more that people get to know him, the more they dislike him....lol...
hmmmm, what is this Jeapordy?
I get it, things karl Rove Might say?
That was rich..
May 15, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I "hope" this is correct. I suspect it is, but I don't have much proof.
I also think it is real risky way to win a presidency if correct.
When I see so many Obama "supporters" in the blogosphere bashing and/or insulting "Reagan Democrats," is it mainly to serve their small-minded goal of bashing and hating Hillary, or do they really feel that way without her there?
I get nervous, I get some of that 2004 deja vus allover again. It's the "screw the big tent, we want our small pure tent back" attitude. And I wonder whether those "supporters" will like it if Obama does that, the ones that were drawn by those big "hopeful" non-specific rallies, the ones that don't want to hear policies and solutions because that makes people disagree and that takes away all the solidarity fun. Is he damned to lose turnout of former fans if he does it and damned if he doesn't? Many seem to mostly like their image of Senator Obama as Mr. Liberal Inspirational and don't want to see him showing another side, they might change their mind about getting off the sofa in November to vote if he's turned into a friend of Reagan Democrats by then.
May 14, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Meant to put this quote from your text above my comment, apparently it got cut by my bad coding:
May 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. On the front of having seen no proof and being a bit worried about it, we have actually recently had suggestions to the contrary of what you claim:
Obama Strategist: Don't Worry, Dems Usually Lose White Working Class
The Huffington Post | April 23, 2008
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/23/obama-strategist-dont-wor_n_98301.html
May 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The idea that he is doing poorly with these voters is a fraud. He is doing better than wither Kerry or Gore did and he will continue to do so. He is doing enough better that Nov should be an Obama blow out.
May 15, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I very much like this post. It's very down to earth. I just think, however, that he's got to do a much better job of allaying fears that he's a closet black radical. He may succeed doing it your way, by talking more about his history and meeting directly, interacting. He might try to create a longer ad where he puts together clips of actual conversations he had.
May 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you very much Preach. I think that he will start using his upbringning more in an effort to reach more people, so that they don't see him as "an angry Black man", but rather someone who knows what it is like to live on food stamps, and knows the how hard it is to live in a one parent household. It has been all about strategy, and I think the GE strategy is already playing out, with stops in MO, MI, and FL. Not in counties that favor him, but counties where he will need to win votes.
May 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with your premise. I think they voted for Bill, frankly. But McCain is familiar to them as well and a white "war hero" to boot. Obama might help by courting them and it might help if theclintons campaign for him (is that just my fantasy?). Beyond that, his choice of vp might make a difference and I am not advocating clinton.
I'm not sure how the food stamps will play with the "hardworking whites".
May 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you change the title of your post to:
"The Reason Obama Lost Reagan Democrats, and Does He Need Them?"
No dem has won the white vote since LBJ.
Also, I think it's sad that we discount the non-white voters in this election. How do Hillary and Barack do with non-white voters compared to John McSame? As a whole, they make up a huge percentage of the voters in this country.
How about we start talking about more than how white people feel?
May 14, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's no such thing as a "Reagan Democrat" anymore.
People have either grown from that era or chosen to stay willfully ignorant.
May 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he's going to win the blue collar vote he's going to have to do more than say NAFTA was a bad treaty. Okay, so what is he going to DO about it? So far, Obama is short on action and sounding too much like a politician on NAFTA.
May 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is not going to win that segment of the vote. He is just going to lose it by a smaller percentage than other democrats have. It is all about the margins. That is that part that Hillary failed to realize in the states she lost. If she had lost them by less she would be winning now. But instead of scrapping for every vote she wrote those states of as unimportant. She is an amazingly poor politician to have lost this nomination with her built in advantages.
May 15, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, I'd like to agree, but I need some evidence. Otherwise it sounds a bit like wishful thinking.
May 14, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
People in great numbers fear Obama. As a plubmer in my town, San Francisco put it, "He'll put in a bunch of blacks." Too many people don't trust him based on Wright, bittergate, and Ayers. He must rise to the occsaion instead of counting on a narrow victory sans statesman like address on the above issues.
May 14, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama tours not-so-friendly turf
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10361.html
Thanks for the concern, but he's already rising to the occasion.
May 15, 2008 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
That Obama, he's magic. He's not trying to get rural voters because he doesn't need them yet but he's going after rural voters contrary to traditional practice. He didn't lose working class voters, he just lost "undecideds" but don't worry because Democrats haven't won working class voters since LBJ. People like him more when they get to know him, unlike Hillary, who people like less the more they see her, but he didn't have time to work his brand, so they voted for her anyway.
Let's see, how long were the two of them campaigning in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana? Shouldn't that have been enough time for them to hate her and love him, or does he need to be in these states a half a year like Iowa to work his true magic? The man of so many contradictions, so many possibilities.
May 15, 2008 4:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm... Seems to me the point you just made is the opposite of the one you intended to make. That is, unless Indiana came BEFORE Ohio. Because Indiana wasn't exactly a blow-out for Hillary, although it was supposed to be. I'll give you this: Hillary has the hillbilly vote nailed down. No one will ever be more popular with hillbillies than Hillary. I think it's that Hill-Bill thing.
Hillbillary '08.
May 15, 2008 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the general as in the nominating contest he will not win every demographic or every state. He will just win the election. He will do so by minimizing his demographic loses and maximizing his wins ands by understanding the rules and the mood of the electorate much beter than his oponent and his/her advisors.
May 15, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sick of the pandering to the Reagan Democrats. They are the ones that put Bush into office -- which shows the level of their judgement.
First of all, anybody who is not a millionaire is stupid to vote Republican. They are only hurting themselves economically.
Secondly, there are a lot of educated, informed, tolerant citizens of this country who deserve an educated, informed, tolerant leader. It's pathetic that we have to settle for the lowest common denominator because of the chest-thumping, ignorant, "Cracker" demographic of "Reagan Democrats."
Even the Founding Fathers knew that groups such as these were a danger to democracy. It's ironic that Reagan Democrats would probably never vote any of them because they would be seen as "too liberal."
May 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink