A few choice words for the “Life Long Democrats” who are now voting republicans.
If many of you are like me, You know a person or two that claim to be life long Democrats that are now voting republican. Most of them use the claim of “I don’t like the way that Hillary was treated” or “We don’t know enough about Obama” or “Rev. Wright, blah, blah, blah.”
Working for a group that raises money for the DNC I hear these things on the phone a few times during the day and have developed a few strategies and talking points to combat them. You can use them too.
Here is the Cliff’s Notes of a conversation I had with a Woman from New York
Woman: “I’ve been waiting for someone from the democrats to call. Me and my husband and a bunch of our friend are democrats and we be voting for McCain because the way the media treated Hillary and the DNC never said anything about it.”
Me: “Are you guys lifetime democrats or was it this exciting primary that brought you into the fold”
Woman: “Life time democrats. We just hated the way the media did Hillary. And we won’t support the DNC because they didn’t do anything about it. I don’t have a problem with Obama, I just don’t think he’s as good as Hillary and they beat up on her so.”
Me: “I hear you, on that. The media was brutally unfair to Hillary. Don’t you think it might have looked like Howard Dean and the DNC was taking sides for one candidate or the other if he went and stuck up for Hillary. Kind of like a refferee in a game saying that he had a favorite player on the team.”
Woman: “It might have but something needed to be done. The media was so sexist.
Me: “They were sexist and mean. Talking about her neckline and her laugh. But Let me ask you if Howard Dean came in and told them to stop being mean to Hillary who is running for the highest office in the land, don’t you think that would have looked like he was ‘sticking up for the girl that can’t stick up for her self’” The republicans would have had a field day with that!”
Woman: “Well, I don’t know. It might of but you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t.”
Me: (smelling blood) “You say you’re a life long democrat. Why?”
Woman: “The first vote I ever cast was for George McGovern”
Me: “G. Mac!”
Woman: (Woman Laughs) “Yeah, I even campaigned for him. I don’t see myself campaigning for anybody this year. (Sighs, growing resolved) Hillary should have been the Democratic nominee she earned it.”
Me: “Again, why are you a democrat. What are the principles that the party holds that you find true to your heart.”
Woman: “I never really thought about it, I don’t know”
Me: “Well do you want to end the war in Iraq, that’s costing 10 billion dollars a month”
Woman: “Yeah”
Me: “Do you want to have affordable healthcare for all citizens of this country.”
Woman: “Yeah”
Me: “Do you want to an economic system that reward it’s citizens who work hard, and ask those citizens who make a great deal of money because of the opportunities of this country to give their fair share back to those who helped them build it.”
Woman: Yeah!
Me: “Are you for a woman’s right to choose and be in control of her reproductive body”
Woman: “Of course”
Me: “Then, why in the world would you vote for John McCain?
Woman: (wavering) I don’t know, I mean, I’m just a little hurt… and I guess, You know who knows what I’ll do when I’m in the voting booth. A lot of my friends are voting for him. Plus the democratic congress will keep McCain from getting his judges.
Me: Alito was approved during a Democratic Congress, Plus, Judges are not obligated to answer questions about their policies or beliefs during the hearings, only their rulings.
Woman: Oh, I, wow, I didn’t know that.
Me: (set up)You said you’re for ending the war and bringing the troops back home right?
Woman: “Well, Yeah.”
Me: (Going for the Kill) “You know what, I’m not going to tell you who to vote for and who not to vote for, that’s your own decision as an adult. But If you’re for ending the war and you vote for John McCain, Every single soldier that dies in Iraq after he’s inaugurated will be on you and all the other Democrats that voted for McCain because they were angry or hurt or spiteful. Any life long democrat who is against this war that votes for john McCain should look in the newspaper ever time they report the name of a US troop dying needlessly in Iraq, should look in the mirror and say ‘I could have prevented that’ Isn’t that what Hillary wanted?”
Woman (silent for about 30 seconds) I guess, you know, I don’t know what my friends or my husband will do but, yeah, wow I guess I have to, I won’t like it, but I’ll vote for Obama.
We continued talking and she ended up giving a quite sizable donation to the DNC.
Working for a group that raises money for the DNC I hear these things on the phone a few times during the day and have developed a few strategies and talking points to combat them. You can use them too.
Here is the Cliff’s Notes of a conversation I had with a Woman from New York
Woman: “I’ve been waiting for someone from the democrats to call. Me and my husband and a bunch of our friend are democrats and we be voting for McCain because the way the media treated Hillary and the DNC never said anything about it.”
Me: “Are you guys lifetime democrats or was it this exciting primary that brought you into the fold”
Woman: “Life time democrats. We just hated the way the media did Hillary. And we won’t support the DNC because they didn’t do anything about it. I don’t have a problem with Obama, I just don’t think he’s as good as Hillary and they beat up on her so.”
Me: “I hear you, on that. The media was brutally unfair to Hillary. Don’t you think it might have looked like Howard Dean and the DNC was taking sides for one candidate or the other if he went and stuck up for Hillary. Kind of like a refferee in a game saying that he had a favorite player on the team.”
Woman: “It might have but something needed to be done. The media was so sexist.
Me: “They were sexist and mean. Talking about her neckline and her laugh. But Let me ask you if Howard Dean came in and told them to stop being mean to Hillary who is running for the highest office in the land, don’t you think that would have looked like he was ‘sticking up for the girl that can’t stick up for her self’” The republicans would have had a field day with that!”
Woman: “Well, I don’t know. It might of but you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t.”
Me: (smelling blood) “You say you’re a life long democrat. Why?”
Woman: “The first vote I ever cast was for George McGovern”
Me: “G. Mac!”
Woman: (Woman Laughs) “Yeah, I even campaigned for him. I don’t see myself campaigning for anybody this year. (Sighs, growing resolved) Hillary should have been the Democratic nominee she earned it.”
Me: “Again, why are you a democrat. What are the principles that the party holds that you find true to your heart.”
Woman: “I never really thought about it, I don’t know”
Me: “Well do you want to end the war in Iraq, that’s costing 10 billion dollars a month”
Woman: “Yeah”
Me: “Do you want to have affordable healthcare for all citizens of this country.”
Woman: “Yeah”
Me: “Do you want to an economic system that reward it’s citizens who work hard, and ask those citizens who make a great deal of money because of the opportunities of this country to give their fair share back to those who helped them build it.”
Woman: Yeah!
Me: “Are you for a woman’s right to choose and be in control of her reproductive body”
Woman: “Of course”
Me: “Then, why in the world would you vote for John McCain?
Woman: (wavering) I don’t know, I mean, I’m just a little hurt… and I guess, You know who knows what I’ll do when I’m in the voting booth. A lot of my friends are voting for him. Plus the democratic congress will keep McCain from getting his judges.
Me: Alito was approved during a Democratic Congress, Plus, Judges are not obligated to answer questions about their policies or beliefs during the hearings, only their rulings.
Woman: Oh, I, wow, I didn’t know that.
Me: (set up)You said you’re for ending the war and bringing the troops back home right?
Woman: “Well, Yeah.”
Me: (Going for the Kill) “You know what, I’m not going to tell you who to vote for and who not to vote for, that’s your own decision as an adult. But If you’re for ending the war and you vote for John McCain, Every single soldier that dies in Iraq after he’s inaugurated will be on you and all the other Democrats that voted for McCain because they were angry or hurt or spiteful. Any life long democrat who is against this war that votes for john McCain should look in the newspaper ever time they report the name of a US troop dying needlessly in Iraq, should look in the mirror and say ‘I could have prevented that’ Isn’t that what Hillary wanted?”
Woman (silent for about 30 seconds) I guess, you know, I don’t know what my friends or my husband will do but, yeah, wow I guess I have to, I won’t like it, but I’ll vote for Obama.
We continued talking and she ended up giving a quite sizable donation to the DNC.
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she is weak.
June 19, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been Michelle-rized Sweet!!! I've finally made it!
June 19, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
i converted two independents to mccain. i raise you one.
June 19, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet, I'll go into the office and work a few extra shifts for every person you say you've converted. You have angry comments on a blog, I have an auto dialer with millions of registered voters, who do you think will win?
June 19, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many times must Michelle look up
Before she can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must Michelle have
Before she can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till she knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
...
Yes, 'n' how many times can Michelle turn her head,
Pretending she just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
June 19, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me be the first to thank you on behalf of the American soldiers you will kill, Michelle. And further for the women who die in botched abortions. You have a right to stick up for your candidates, and to hell with all the poor folks who can't get to a doctor. Long live McCain! Long live the Thousand Year War in Iraq! Bill Kristol for SecState! Go Michelle!
June 19, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said. I agree-- I've always said that the best way to avenge sexism is to have more wars, and greater poverty. And the way to advance feminism is through criminalizing abortion. That'll learn 'em!
June 20, 2008 3:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're good at persuasion. And you're brutal!
More brutal than I could be. :-)
Thanks for your fundraising work. And thanks for doing your part to get folks to re-focus on what's most important.
June 19, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you want someone to change you have to hold a mirror to their face, no matter how dark and awful the image maybe.
June 19, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I commend your infinite patience with the brain dead. Someone has to do it. BRAVO!!!
June 19, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michelle is brain dead. The woman I spoke with was just uninformed and hurt. The first step to helping someone isn't to fight them. Unity is born from Understanding.
June 19, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
You did exactly what you needed to do. You validated her feelings and then led her to understand the situation from a different point of view. Once her feelings were validated, she was able to listen. In some disciplines, it's called pacing and leading through rapport. Anyway, this is a great lesson for anyone who wants to reason with angry people.
June 19, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I convinced three Romney supporters and my life-long Republican family to vote for Obama this year... too bad we are all in California.
I like this one-upping deal. Grand prize to whomever converts Texas!
June 19, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those Texans are TOUGH! Lol!
June 19, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Calling Tena!!
June 19, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
you are the cat's meow. great post and strategy. the truth shall set us free.
June 19, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, my friend. I laughed a big belly laugh at the end. Very very nice job.
The truth is that no one who has a brain could vote for McGranpy.
June 19, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I make phonecalls for my local Dem candidate Scott Harper IL-13 and it's going great. Did about 200 calls identifying voters tonight and though the majority weren't home I'd say 7 out of 10 first time Dems or vote switchers I talked to tonight are all solidly in our corner.
I'm not raising money though I understand that's amazing too. By March we'd outstripped anything a Dem candidate has ever done here for a whole election.
I urge everyone to try at least a little phonebanking. It's fun and you're actually contributing your talents and not just your cash.
The kid interns are good, but adults work better in a lot of cases.
June 19, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon my French, but this was fucking classic.
I've posted it on my blog. Thanks for the read!
June 19, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've also found it useful to talk for a bit to anyone who calls flacking for a candidate.
Got many from Hillary (who was my first choice . . . John Edwards wasn't doing well) but none from Obama.
The person calling for Hillary had originally been for Edwards. And as I've been at politics for about 312 years, she gained some from it also.
June 19, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was outstanding, very impressive. It is hard to argue with flawless logic. I have convinced a couple of people to vote for Obama, but like bsuey21, I am in a state that is probably VERY safe for Obama...CT.
June 20, 2008 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've convinced 3 Republicans and 1 independent so far. In Colorado.
Also switched my cousin in CA from Kucinich to Obama before their primary.
June 20, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have one Republican on the fence and the spouse fully on board in Colorado.
I swear I know a Republican in Wyoming who claimed to have donated to Obama in the primary but I have not confirmed it. I cannot claim conversion, but it seems worthy of the tally.
June 20, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
That woman was weak alright..for not standing up for her beliefs. I, too, am a life-long democrat who will NOT vote for Obama...for a variety of reasons, and there is no one out there who could change my mind! I may not vote for McCain, but would never vote for Obama!!!
And, in spite of the venom you people spit at people like me...I DO have the right to vote as I please! That's the beauty of living in America.
June 20, 2008 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who's spitting?
June 20, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is an awesome post. I totally wish I could talk to people like the poster talked to the woman on the phone. Rec'd!
And this bunch of commenters is an inspiration.
June 20, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me: “Are you a life long democrat or was it this exciting primary that brought you into the fold?”
June 20, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't try to persuade you to vote for Obama. You should vote as you think fit and as conscientiously as you can keeping in mind that this election is about the future and not the past and that we vote not for ourselves but for those who do not have a voice in the political system.
June 20, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know the truth is I don't try to convince people to vote for Obama. Read what I said. Not once did I say to vote for Obama or tell her what she had to do. All I did was give her plausible consequences to her actions. One of the basic tenets of personal persuasion is to understand that the person has a choice and there are consequences associated with that choice. Even if a person was at gun point, they can choose not to obey the person with the gun, but they must be prepared to face the consequence.
June 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not spitting venom. The truth is you're absolutely right, everyone is entitled to vote as they please as I told the lady on the phone. All I did was to let her know the consequences of her actions. No one is wrong for voting for who they believe in but with every action there is a definite consequence that you should acknowledge, positive or negative. Heck, If i made over 400K per year economically I'd have to take a long hard look at McCain as the financial benefits are staggering.
June 20, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it is much less time consuming just to pretend to represent McCain, then tell the person on the other line that they can go fuck themselves.
June 20, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I believe Justice Alito was confirmed in '06, by a majority-Republican Senate. So that would be a hella inaccurate comment.
Recommended though, of course. Excellent work.
June 20, 2008 4:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe Justice Alito was confirmed in '06, by a majority-Republican Senate.
It was inaccurate, but the deed was done with the collaboration of four right-wing Democrats.
As a group, the Dems could have blocked the vote with a filibuster, but did not carry the necessary groinal equipment.
BTW, Clarence Thomas WAS confirmed by a Democratically-controlled Senate, with 11 Democrats helping American jurisprudence in its slide toward today's police state.
June 20, 2008 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if your supervisor knows you're doing this? You're on that phone to raise money, not solicit votes, not to argue with potential donors and donors and especially not to prove to them that you're smarter than they are.
Frankly I think this story is a lot of bullshit.
June 20, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
He got money in the end Bev. Plus why do you think they having him raising funds, just for the pure joy of it? Or perhaps for use to try to help persuade votes that we desperately need a president of Obama's character and strength rather than four more years of death, destruction and giveaways to the wealthy.
June 20, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe his story - I've worked for years for the local and state democratic party, you don't cold call looking for donations, it's a waste of time and resources and I find it hard to believe that the DNC is doing this - when they solicit funds from unknowns they send mailers with info on how to pay and include an envelope to send the donation. Why? Because if people have to hunt for an envelope and stamp, they're very unlikely to send it. Also people are very unlikely now to offer information, especially credit card numbers over the phone - this story just doesn't ring true.
June 20, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
My super absolutely knows what I'm doing. Heck, they play my calls to train others.
June 20, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
My super absolutely knows what I'm doing. Heck, they play my calls to train others. Getting someone to vote is easy, getting someone to give money is a much harder step because you have to convince them that what they are giving money to is going to give them more benefit than what they could buy on their own. You can't get someone to open their wallet with out first convincing them to vote.
June 20, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah you say Texans are hard to convert and you might be right. I have two family members whom I helped lead away from McCain because they are not lifelong Dem's and are really more issue oriented. One of which is my sister who has voted Republican since she graduated from college. Her current boyfriend who lives in Chicago had brought up the Supreme Court issue and then she asked me what I thought. I simply told her that of our current justices we have one who is 88 yrs old, Stevens(?) and two who are in their 70's, Ginsberg and Breyer(?). All of these three have shown consistency in reviewing cases which touched on Roe v Wade and backed a women's right to choose. This is a big issue for many women in Texas, which has some pretty staggering teen pregnancy rates. For example both of these women including my sister have never had an abortion, and personally are not sure if they ever could, but they do understand that many women find themsleves in tough situations and giving them a choice is ultimately something that should be a right and the consequences of any women's choice is between her and God. Also as my Mom points out, she could never really completely accept any Man's perspective on this issue other than and advisory one as men don't carry babies and are not limited in their sexual choices.
You know I heard a Republican on the air the other day talking about the recent Supreme Court decision and how putting John McCain in charge of things reflects popular American opinion. He eloborated that McCain had stated that he would appoint justices in the mold of Alito and Roberts and that most Americans agreed that Roe v Wade was an issue that needed to be overturned. I am not sure what facts he was basing this on but every women I have talked to here in the South which granted is a very small number has let me know that they believe that the majority of women respect the right to choose. If this is the case then isn't it also true that women make up about 52% of our overall population. Putting two and two together with the reader's post above helps many women and others see that Obama is really our only choice, you just have to flesh things out based on issues not based on personalities or rhetoric!
June 20, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
it's not over till the fat lady sings. frankly i do not know why any woman would vote for mccain. he has vetoed every piece of legislation that helps women. did you tell your indy's that?
June 20, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guessing this is a bogus story. If one is speaking to former Hilary supporters, the best thing to do is to focus on the issues (which you did) and try not to sound holier-than-thou (which you didn't). Attempting to implement the Socratic Method in a conversation rarely works in the real world, and I would advise against it.
Avoid arguments with them at all costs. Be polite, and compliment Senator Clinton whenever possible. Eventually it will become clear to everyone that McCain really is a Republican, and the rational 95% of Clinton supporters will rally to Obama.
June 20, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can believe it or not. The truth is this was the boiled down parts of the call, the essential points (I've used the same structure on most of my "tough calls"). The truth is there are some people that are angry as hell and you can't talk to on the phone because they scream their point then they hang up. Someone that is on the phone talking with you wants you to find a reason for them to be sold (with rare exception). If they didn't they'd hang up. And obviously, You've never been great at sales, or you'd know every great sales man from Zig Ziglar to Jim Rohm employs some form of the Socratic Method. Selling isn't telling, it's asking, don't you think?
June 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I converted my wife from McCain to Obama, it was his support for the war that turned her off too.
June 20, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a prince you are, Marquis, converting these low-info voters (silly women) with your brilliance! HRC supporters everywhere thank you.
June 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate your efforts to win back the bitter Hillary supporters, but one correction is in order: Alito was not confirmed by a Democratic-controlled Senate. He was confirmed in January of 06, a full year before the Democrats regained a majority.
June 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why Hillary supporters want to spit in her face by claiming they will never vote for Obama astounds me. Makes me think it is much more of a psychological disorder than it facially appears. Voting for McCain (or not voting at all) is the exact same as slapping Hillary and Bill across their faces.
June 20, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Privately, I call them Ballot Box suicide bombers. LoL. Truthfully, they don't have a psychological disorder they just need to be heard and then they need to see the consequences of their actions, good and bad. Some will, some won't, why worry, who cares.
June 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink