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Hillary Clinton for Vice President! (where she'll be powerless)


With Barack Obama having secured the Democratic nomination, <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/3/20114/01909/252/528606">speculation</a> <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/4/9452/78181/384/526416">has</a> <a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/With_nomination_in_hand_Obama_turns_0604.html">abounded</a> about whether Obama should offer Hillary the VP slot, as well as whether it is appropriate for Hillary to discuss in public this negotiation. I think Hillary should be offered the Vice Presidency, and further it would be supremely to Obama's advantage for him if she accepts. But I have Machiavellian reasons for arguing this position.

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Josh Marshall at TPM puts the issue in stark terms by <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198705.php">publishing an email</a> he received from a reader that says in part

<blockquote>Let's be clear about what Hillary is doing here. By signaling that she'll take the VP slot if offered -- and insinuating that a joint ticket is necessary to heal the party(!) -- she is foregoing the normal diplomatic niceties in order to screw Obama. It sticks him with the choice between looking like the bad guy (for not offering) and doing something he really doesn't want to do (putting her on the ticket). Either way, he loses. And either way, she wins: she gets on the ticket or else she engenders a lot of bitterness in her supporters, hurting Obama's chances in November (and thereby increasing her chances for a 2012 run).</blockquote>

Josh isn't convinced that this is Mrs. Clinton's intention, though he does admit that her campaign benefits from these tactics in just the manner the email author says. If Obama doesn't at least offer her the VP slot, he runs the risk of insulting her large base of support. If he does offer her the VP slot, he's presumably taken her into the inner circle of presidential politics where she  - as VP - might interfere with Obama's policymaking.

But there's a third approach that few seem to be mentioning.

I say give her the VP slot. In fact, be magnanimous about it and do it in a large public ceremony so she can't refuse, such as at the Democratic convention in Denver. Come on, Hillary - join the team! :)

Once January 20th comes and he's taken the oath of office, well then things can change a bit. For example, why does the Vice President need an office at the White House? Doesn't the Vice President have an official office at the Eisenhower building? She'll be fine there - there's plenty of room in that building. Further, why does she need to attend any oval office meetings or functions? Obama can CC: her on any official correspondence that's necessary for a Vice President to be aware of.

What am I suggesting? That it's time for the ascendancy of the power of the Vice Presidency that has taken shape since Jimmy Carter's relationship with Walter Mondale and Bill Clinton's relationship with Al Gore to be knocked down a few notches. Hey, if Obama needs Mrs. Clinton on the ticket to win - fine by me. Let them pretend they like one another like JFK pretended to like Lyndon Johnson. But, like JFK gave Vice President Johnson no authority to even pick his nose in policy meetings, perhaps so too should a Vice President Hillary Clinton have all levers of power removed from her grasp.

We'll watch her power in the senate wane as she spends her busy schedule attending such perfunctory ceremonies as funerals for foreign heads of state and other officials who have passed away, or the occasional ribbon cutting ceremony instead of attending senate committee and sub-committee hearings.

Thus, I argue that the Vice Presidency is the perfect place to dump Mrs Clinton where she can do President Obama and his agenda no harm.

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Wow, and now I can't edit this mess. What a shame.

Well if anyone ever had any doubts about the axiom there are no friends in politics, only temporary alliances... go and check out Ed Rendell on why Hillary shouldn't be VP... A week sure is a long time in politics!

(The chutzpah of politicians - how they can turn around and completely contradict something they said only a week ago without batting an eyelid - no self-consciousness whatsoever - breathtaking!

And to think it's going to get even better down the road - watching Hillary flatly deny that McCain could *ever* be considered a more qualified C-in-C than Obama...

BTW in response to your basic proposition, it's in lala land is my take.

The VEEP's staff may be in the Executive building but the VP him(her)self has an office just a few metres away from the Oval.

How can you for one moment envisage Hillary of all people allowing the Vice Presidency to revert to the old ways? In your dreams, petal...

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Hi Fran,

Actually, the only official office for the Vice President is in the Eisenhower building. An office for the Vice President at the White House is entirely at the discretion of the President and his staff.

yes but can you imagine the reaction if he took it away from her?

Of course we're all entitled to our opinions, but opinions are based on facts and empiricism: where, empirically, do you get any real sense that Hillary would ever, ever allow the VEEP role to be downsized?

And, perhaps more importantly, how do you envisage Obama himself giving her the role on the basis of thinking he could effectively downsize her?

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> where, empirically, do you get any real sense that Hillary would ever, ever allow the VEEP role to be downsized?

"Allow"? By what authority would she have to challenge the President of the United States? Did Vice President Johnson have any say on the matter when President Kennedy shunted him off to nowheresville?

A better question for you to ask is: What authority has the Vice President *ever had*? Only in the last three decades has the office assumed any responsibility whatsoever. All I suggest is that Mr. Obama take Mrs. Clinton up on her suggestion, and then give her *everything* the office of the Vice President deserves.

Which in my reading of the constitution is: nothing.

Maynard, we're not talking about legal power. We're talking about dynamics. 18m people voted for the woman. Obama as much as anyone knows he has to treat her with respect.

His challenge is to do so and at the same time make sure that she knows she has to treat him with respect. (Actually she's clearly already got that message from her key supporters)

Politics is transactional. You can't approach this as a theoretical, legal construct. It's political.
And Hillary's base gives her political power.

Not only that but, if she were given the job, she'd be hugely useful to him in one respect: she's a helluva better policy wonk than he is. And no, that's not buying spin. Obama's brilliance is at broad sweep ideas, listening to people, getting their input and effecting compromises. But he's known to be impatient with all the fine detail. Doesn't like it. Detail she loves. To use her means he'd have to respect her, work well with her. Doing that doesn't entail blocking her from the White House, trying t omarginalise her.

Well tht's my take. :-)

In all due respect, Cheney has done a lot to change the perception of the VP, and not in a good way.

And as I pointed out in a previous comment tonight, if Hillary was Obama's VP, we'd have:

A President, a co-President disguising herself as a VP, and a co-Former President as the VP's husband disguising himself as a VP's mate.

Ain't gonna happen.

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Which is an *excellent* reason to diminish the power of the Vice Presidency by precedent. And I can't think of a better person for setting that precedent than Mrs. Clinton.

1) She would leave her NY Senate position while retaining a senate "tie-breaker" vote. Since NY is slam-dunk D, we get an additional Democratic senator.

2) The vice presidency is entirely powerless role. She can wait out her VP term in the Eisenhower building, where she'll have time to coordinate such activities as attending the funerals of foreign heads of state, the cutting of ceremonial ribbons for military junk we don't need, and other worthless activities of the office of the VP.

3) She would be removed from her senate committee and sub-committee memberships, meaning her power would wane instead of build over the course of her term. Thus, she would lose her senate power base to oppose President Obama on critical policy issues.

4) Let Hillary Clinton have the office that Lyndon Johnson once referred to as 'like warm spit." It's fitting, in a schadenfreude sort of way.

I'm not gonna even bother asking why you chose to bring up Lyndon B. Johnson as a prime example.

You haven't convinced me, and I like my point better. But I thank you for the argument.

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Fair enough Lisa. Best. -M

The fact is that Al Gore and Dick Cheney made it more than a "warm spit" position. The Clintons are well aware of this. Beginning with Walter Mondale, the Vice President of the United States has grown beyond simply waiting for the unthinkable to possibly happen.

**To Maynard: when you blog in the future, to add a link, just select the type you'd like to create a hyperlink to and press the "link" tool, then paste the address you want to direct to there. (I'm the worst ever tech person and I can do it. Either that or learn HTML.**

Anyway, I disagree with your argument. Hillary should, and will not be VP.

"Mr. Obama’s decision to announce his vice-presidential search committee on Wednesday was intended to mute the speculation about Mrs. Clinton’s interest in the position. In addition to Ms. Kennedy, Mr. Obama also tapped Eric Holder, a deputy attorney general from the Clinton administration, and James A. Johnson, who has overseen similar committees in 1984 and 2004 presidential campaigns.

At the same time, Mr. Mondale — who in his career has served as a vice president, and picked one — suggested that Mrs. Clinton and her supporters pull back from even appearance of campaigning for the No. 2 spot, suggesting it could complicate a critical decision by Mr. Obama.

“I think it’s best he just be left alone,” Mr. Mondale said."-NYT

After that RFK comment, Caroline will never permit a Hillary Vice Presidency.

As Maureen Dowd noted in her column today, Hillary already had the VP job, and Walter Mondale knows what that pressure is like:

"...But she has to pretend she’ll do “whatever it takes,” even accept the vice presidency, a job she’s already had and doesn’t want again, so that nobody will blame her when he loses on Nov. 4. Then she can power on to 2012.

Theory No. 2 is that it’s a “Bad stuff happens” maneuver, exemplified in her gaffe about the R.F.K. assassination, that she figures that at least if she moves a few blocks from Embassy Row to the Naval Observatory, she’ll be a heartbeat away from the job she’s always wanted.

Either way, by broadcasting that she’s open to being Obama’s running mate, she puts public pressure on him similar to the sort of pressure Walter Mondale was under from rampaging feminists when he put Geraldine Ferraro on the ticket. Mondale ended up seeming henpecked, as Obama would seem if he caved to the women who say they will write in Hillary’s name or vote for anti-choice McCain before they’d vote for Obama.""

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