Obama: Do as I say, not as I do
I need Obama to be more consistent on his environmental and energy policies. I don't have much doubt that he'll be elected President in November and I just don't want to be disappointed because I believed in his message of "change" only to get more of the same pro-industry, wink and nod energy plans that fool the public with fancy language but zero impact. This is really something that worries me.
As the nomination comes to a close, I'm spending more and more time on Obama's website trying to get to know him a little bit more. I was watching his videos on the environment, enjoying what I was hearing, until I came to the 3 minute and 50 second mark on this video:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1137739439/bclid900692839/bctid1334447388
It is at that point Obama starts to talk about Dick Cheney's 2005 Energy Bill. Obama correctly criticizes Cheney for only meeting with environmental groups once during the bill's negotiations and with the oil and gas companies 40 times. He then says "Theres no wonder this system is skewed in the wrong direction."
My jaw dropped. The problem I have with this video is that Obama supported Dick Cheney's 2005 Energy Bill.
I've argued many times with very smart people here on TPM about the reasons why Obama voted for the Bill. But I can't reconcile him 1) voting for the 2005 Energy Bill, 2) bragging about his vote in a press release and 3) releasing a video on his campaign site attacking Cheney for the Bill.
Obama knew at the time that Cheney was meeting privately with oil lobbyists to craft an energy policy behind closed doors that misplaced our national priorities. Yet, he voted for that awful piece of legislation anyways. It went against all the principles he says his candidacy stands for. Both McCain and Hillary voted against the bill.
I am an environmentalist and I want to see a clearer picture of Obama's policies on these issues.
As the nomination comes to a close, I'm spending more and more time on Obama's website trying to get to know him a little bit more. I was watching his videos on the environment, enjoying what I was hearing, until I came to the 3 minute and 50 second mark on this video:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1137739439/bclid900692839/bctid1334447388
It is at that point Obama starts to talk about Dick Cheney's 2005 Energy Bill. Obama correctly criticizes Cheney for only meeting with environmental groups once during the bill's negotiations and with the oil and gas companies 40 times. He then says "Theres no wonder this system is skewed in the wrong direction."
My jaw dropped. The problem I have with this video is that Obama supported Dick Cheney's 2005 Energy Bill.
I've argued many times with very smart people here on TPM about the reasons why Obama voted for the Bill. But I can't reconcile him 1) voting for the 2005 Energy Bill, 2) bragging about his vote in a press release and 3) releasing a video on his campaign site attacking Cheney for the Bill.
Obama knew at the time that Cheney was meeting privately with oil lobbyists to craft an energy policy behind closed doors that misplaced our national priorities. Yet, he voted for that awful piece of legislation anyways. It went against all the principles he says his candidacy stands for. Both McCain and Hillary voted against the bill.
I am an environmentalist and I want to see a clearer picture of Obama's policies on these issues.
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Whatever Dude! Vote for McCain's energy policy!
June 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be ignorant. I can have an intellectual disagreement with Obama and support him at the same time.
That is the kind of leader Obama will be, someone who is willing to listen to those who have a different opinion.
But thanks for contributing your well-informed critique of my post.
June 2, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the fundamental difference between Libs & Rethugs.
Libs will stand up & challenge what we see & know to be wrong & Rethugs will just parrott the party line. It makes it harder for US to win a consensus but when we do we know it's on the merits.
Keep thinking for yourself & I agree. I support Obama but there definitely some things that bug me (just not a fraction as many as the alternatives). I've been having a tough time with his spouting "clean coal" as a viable alternative. Maybe I'm wrong but the whole clean coal thing reminds me way too much of the "clear skies initiative". I'm just sick of Orwellian doublespeak being used to try & convince US that fatally flawed legislation is really in our best interest. Peace.
June 2, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever Dude, vote for McCain!
June 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
an interesting point of View - I'd like to hear him answer that question as well.
Also, in spite of your title, I appreciate your apparent willingness to hear him out when and if he answers your question.
June 2, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"don't want to be disappointed because I believed in his message of "change" only to get more of the same pro-industry, wink and nod energy plans that fool the public with fancy language but zero impact."
This concerns a lot of us, I think... But the other front-runner candidates were already so clearly in bed with the industry, that it seemed safer to take a chance on an unknown.
June 2, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it just so frustrating, from the perspective of an environmentalist, that we can't seem to pass this threshold from rhetoric to REAL action?
The public is finally fully on board to start making these changes. We just need to put our foot on the accelerator and start building new energy policies that reflect what we've learned over the past three decades about the interconnectedness of species and ecosystems, the impact of diffuse sources of pollution on habitats and the economic value of our natural environment.
We've been coasting on the fumes of 1970's policies for too long and its going to take a very serious leader to stay focused on the goals without being distracted by the same tired threats peddled by industry.
June 2, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
With Democratic majorities and Obama in the Whitehouse I am certain we are going to see more movement on these issues than we have seen since Jan 20, 1981. The first thing we are going to see is some new CAFE standards.
June 3, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well the bill brought subsidies for ethanol as a honeypot for Dems, so its not hard to see why he voted for it, (and since Arizona and New York don't grow corn, its not hard to see why McCain and Clinton didn't). Obama is definitely treading a fine line here criticizing the bill despite having voted for it.
You can put out the argument that the bill was far from perfect but it was a first step towards an amiable goal (bio-diesel and energy independence), but its definitely a hard sell. Might just have to chalk this one up to everyday pork barrel politics. Obama is a Washington politican after all
June 2, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, its hard to say exactly where his loyalties are as of now. It does appear that he has a weakness for clean coal and ethanol, which are just placeholders for next generation energy solutions, at best.
The reality is that we simply cannot rely on the federal government to come up with solutions on environmental challenges. I think more and more that the states are better equipped to find energy solutions that best fit their individual needs. However, the federal government does throw its weight around in the form of funding and its important that this funding is targeted to bring about the most progress possible.
The 2005 Energy Bill did not make responsible use of federal funding. The calls to use federal funding to expand coal use in the U.S. is not, in my opinion, responsible either. I want a clearer description of how these funds would be allocated under an Obama administration.
June 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just want to say two things.
1.) Biofuels are really, really bad. Don't take my word for it. There was a scientific research article in our nation's top scietific journal Science (Joseph Fargione, Jason Hill, David Tilman, Stephen Polasky, Peter Hawthorne; Sci. v. 310, p. 1235.) that every single american should read. Here is the Abstract:
"Increasing energy use, climate change, and carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from fossil fuels make switching to low-carbon fuels a high priority. Biofuels are a potential low-carbon energy source, but whether biofuels offer carbon savings depends on how they are produced. Converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce food crop–based biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a “biofuel carbon debt” by releasing 17 to 420 times more CO2 than the annual greenhouse gas (GHG) reductions that these biofuels would
provide by displacing fossil fuels. In contrast, biofuels made from waste biomass or from
biomass grown on degraded and abandoned agricultural lands planted with perennials incur littleor no carbon debt and can offer immediate and sustained GHG advantages."
The low number in carbon debt is if surgacane is used as the source of the biofuel, the upper number is if it is produced from corn.
2.) The oil companies today are severely short-sighted when in comes to green technology. I could forgive them if they didn't know that eventually oil will run out. (As a chemist, I can tell you that this means significantly more than not driving your car. Think how your life would change if everything you used that was made our of plastic ceased to exist. The primary source of plastics is hydrocarbons.)
In 2007, BP/Amaco gave a $500 millon grant to three Universities. In terms of academic funding that is nearly unprecedented. In terms of the companies profits, it's a pittance. AND it only went to three schools (I believe Berekely, Univeristy of Illinois, and Harvard).
If I were a CEO of an oil company, I would change the mandate from oil to energy. I would sink every nickel into developing cheap, clean energy, patent it, and then rake in profits that would make their current profits look like a joke.
In regard to your original point, I did hear Obama say that he would make the development of green technology the "Manhattan Project" of our time. Do I believe him? I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt, for now.
Sorry this was so long, but I hope you find it useful.
June 2, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a separate part of the biofuel picture: biodiesel. It can be produced from various plant oils, not just from recycling cooking oil and it does not impose the added expense of large-scale fermentation. You are correct that ethanol -- except for that produced by sugarcane -- fails the basic thermodynamic test: it costs more energy to make it than it yields when fueling an automobile. It's an energy black hole absent some marvelous innovation of bioengineering. Biodiesel seems more likely to yield a modest net positive on the consumption / production ledger.
And incidentally, oil companies are not about to cannibalize their own markets by becoming true energy companies. They still have to deal with foreign suppliers that can easily turn the screws on anyone attempting to undermine their position of geopolitical dominance. If we were only getting 10-12% of our energy requirement from the Middle East, would we have come riding to the rescue of Kuwait with 200,000 soldiers in tow?
June 2, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or vote Green! (And, no, that's not intended as snark.)
June 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm, I thought about that. Since I live in DC it really won't affect the outcome of the race if I vote Green. I am just a little disappointed by the lack of direction in the Green party at the moment. This is their time to shine, America is ready for real environmental leadership, where are they? I actually got so frustrated with the Greens I did a whole blog post about them!
http://www.greenpieceblog.com/2008/04/what-happened-to-our-green-party.html
June 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
crumbrye: "But I can't reconcile him 1) voting for the 2005 Energy Bill, 2) bragging about his vote in a press release and 3) releasing a video on his campaign site attacking Cheney for the Bill."
1) I've heard him say it was an example of a bill that was very difficult to evaluate because of its pros and cons.
2) After he decided to vote for it, it follows that he would give himself credit for voting for it.
3) That didn't mean he thought it was a good bill -- obviously he didn't -- so he went on to criticise it.
I see no contradictions in the above.
That said, I share your concern. I think Obama can be counted on in a number or areas. In a number of others, I'm counting on him little or not at all. His presidency is going to be defined, perhaps more than any other president in history, by "we the people." And I have concerns about that as well.
June 2, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
No contradiction?
It's a bad bill that represents all that's worst in how legislation is written/passed, but hey let's pass it anyway!
Just remembered that it was this act that moved-up Daylight Savings Time by about 3 weeks. Talk about sound and fury signifying nothing.
June 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
So he was for it before he was against it? Or was he against it before he was for it?
June 2, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was against parts of it and for others. It ain't all black and white.
June 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
There were PARTS that were bad, and there were parts that were really good for Illinois farmers - Obama's primary constituency.
Back in Illinois he told us he disagreed with parts of the bill but the farmers wanted the ethanol stuff and he was listening to them (I also think he was thinking re-election; how else to show the down state folks that he's NOT only working for people in Chicago, something that folks outside Chicago hate the governor for).
My guess is that if the whole country was his constituency at the time the bill would have looked very different, and as a member of his constituency I respect and appreciate that.
June 2, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
He talks about these issues in his book, how bills are crafted in such a way that they're hard to evaluate because there can be really good things bundled in with really bad things, and it puts people in a no-win situation. I get the feeling that's the issue here.
I don't know how he'll be on environmental issues. Well... I know he'll be six million times better than Republicans, but that's not saying much. I also think he'll be responsive to citizens on the issue, that environmental groups will get a seat at the table. How that will translate into actual legislation is uncertain.
I have every confidence in saying he's the best chance for sound energy and environmental policies of any candidate. It's just that, with Washington the way it is, I suspect he will come up short of what I'd want.
June 2, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then why is he running for President, a job in which he'll have to sign or veto every piece of legislation passed by Congress?
June 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because he thinks he is the best person to be making those hard choices. I agree.
June 3, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for all the positive and interesting comments. One thing I see happening a lot lately is an acceptance of mediocre solutions to some extremely pressing problems because of the impression that, "Its just how Washington works."
I live in Washington. I certainly understand how it works. However, Obama has long said that our politics are smaller than our challenges. I believe that. If we want to confront our environmental challenges, we are going to have to hold our elected representatives to a higher standard so that our politics can finally meet the size of our challenges.
When the Democrats took over Congress in 2006, one of the priorities they promised was an Energy Bill that put in place fuel efficiency standards that would greatly reduce our reliance on oil. After all the games were played with the special interests and the industries, the end result was a compromise bill that left SUV's and trucks out of the fuel efficiency equation and created enough loop holes for auto manufacturers that the long term impact was negligible.
An electorate worn down by the frustrating and disappointing Washington process would say, "At least its something." But an electorate that believes solutions should actually solve a problem, not dance around it, would pressure their leaders to go back and try again.
I'm not looking for negligible impacts. I understand some legislating requires accepting both good and bad items in a bill. What I don't understand is accepting legislation that was essentially written by the oil, gas and coal industries in private with Dick Cheney that misplaces our energy priorities in the old, dirty sources of the last century.
June 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
His presidency is going to be defined, perhaps more than any other president in history, by "we the people." And I have concerns about that as well.
Free Bubba
I agree, except for the last part. If WE THE PEOPLE do this right, and stand up for a what we believe, we can make this country grand again.
June 2, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most beneficial and lasting changes come as a result of economics. I think GM is learning this lesson now. IMO, future corporate leaders will be more sensitive to proactive business practices when it becomes financially feasible to do so, but the reaction time will be substantially shorter to market than traditionally. Given that viral communication can speed-up the process, continue to educate the public and preach the benefits without alienating other important constituencies and chances will be better that you won't be labelled by rightwingers as extremists and nutjobs, thereby having a wedge driven between the parties that are needed to effect the changes you desire. Doing things any differently tends to backfire or overshoot the intended target and creates laws that fly in the face of common sense, creating needless legislative logjams. It is critical to stress our commonalities in your message. It's like economic JuJitzu, use the weight of your opponent to throw themselves.
blah blah blah...
I think I'm as punchdrunk as Terry McCaulif over this election shit today.
Was I to idealistic? Just my $.02 while dinner cooks.
June 2, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kennedy, Leahy, Jeffords, Kerry and all but 12 Senators also voted for the 2005 legislation, it was supported by the Natural Resources Defense Council, a long standing environmental group, and McCain and clinton voted nay. If you look it up on Wikipedia it looks like decent policy.
June 3, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
someone said take a chance from an unknown, well thats how we got the GWB, a newbie at anything, look at the mess the country is in. People aren't taking the economy serious. Its bad and there is no leadership to help us out of it. Do we really want more of the same? Take a chance? Thats not for me.
Obama is thin on many issues, isn't quick on his feet and hem and haws, long enough to take a wheather report to see if its politically expedient.
If you absolutely have to vote for McCain, know that there'll be a blue Congress so he's going to be hog tied to a degree
Haven't you all had enough of GWB style leadership?
The country can't take it any much longer
June 3, 2008 1:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting segment from The News Hour on PBS about venture capitalists going to green technologies in Silicon Valley. Particularly a company called Solazyme that derives oil from fast growing algae that is almost carbon neutral. One of the backers of another start up thermal solar company, Ausra, is Vinod Khosla, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Here is the link from May 29th-
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/jan-june08/green_05-29.html
June 3, 2008 3:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's missing from everybody's engergy policy/global warming policy/let's not be frogs boiling the water we live in ourselves policy, is that you need to lower the world's population dramatically, as well, and nobody's going to say that. That will put the fundies knickers in a twist faster than anything else. And besides that, we're going to have to make a rule against conspicuous consumption the 11th commandment.
And anybody that really believes that the Congress hamstrings a President had better have a closer look at what this one has done. And if you think McStain isn't the same sort of champion dissembler that Bush's administration is fraught with, notice that he's supposed to be such a clean maverick by 'reputation' and has a campaign you couldn't swing a cat in without hitting a lobbyist, many of whom were working as lobbyists while literally on the bus with him.
June 3, 2008 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
There were some concessions for research, etc., some increase in fuel standards (as I recall). He knew there wouldn't be another bill anytime soon, held his nose and at least got a few things. It's was legislators have to do in complicated bills.
That being said, I have no problem holding Obama's feet to the fire on a number of issues. He's where he is because of the grassroots and I will enjoy emboldening him to support even more progressive issues, unless he can give me a compelling political reason why we won't get it.
This is a dialogue I've waited to have with a president my entire life and I'm looking forward to it.
June 3, 2008 9:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your post misses the biggest reason for not voting for Obama: Anyone who says "we are the ones we've been looking for", either is an asshole, or thinks you're an asshole.
June 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama never said that yet even if he did it doesn't register at all measured against George Dubya's public jokes about looking for the WMD under his desk at the DC correspondents dinner after hundreds of troops had been sent to their deaths, by Bush, looking for WMD, or 'Bring 'Em On', or Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran from that guy who married the rich Bud beer heiress.
The idiots are the Americans who voted for Bush-or will vote for McCain.
June 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
George Dubya was an unknown only if your sole source of information was the corporate pablum on the MSM.
The list is so long of his failures, his bankruptcies, his bailouts by Daddy's friends, his drunkenness, his AWOL Guard history and his position as a puppet of big Republican money interests, that every responsible voter should have avoided this fool, and his party.
June 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink