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On Obama leaving Trinity.


I want to reflect on a subject today. And as a Christian, I hope that I don't lose my religion in the process.

In a story I hoped would get lost in the coverage of Saturday's RBC deliberations and Sunday's meaningless primary in Puerto Rico, Barack Obama has left his church, Trinity United Church of Christ (UCC).

Now, usually, when someone "leaves" something, the semantic context is negative in nature (such as "leaves behind"). It connotes sadness and permanent loss. The same is true here, but for reasons much of America has yet to comprehend.

Let's be honest about a few things first. The media doesn't understand the "Black church" worth a damn. Not at all. And they don't seem to want to. (If they did, they'd have realized that what just because some clown said some things Mainstream America was shocked, shocked, SHOCKED by and they ended up on YouTube, that Trinity (or other predominantly African-American churches that were lumped in with it) are not dens of "Afro-racism", nor would such silly made-up slurs be allowed into the media bloodstream.) This has largely to do with the dearth of African-American journalists and decision-makers in the media industry. I speak from experience being The Only One or close to it at every one of my career stops in television. I hear it from friends on the print side. There aren't enough of us. But it takes more than just numbers to quench the American media's hunger for red meat. All this sound and fury about Trinity? It's not a story. The way that the media has put this headline along those of Iraq, the economy and the Bush administration's criminality is, well, criminal.

It is so much easier to criticize what we don't understand. Decision-makers at the highest levels of American media know this - yet rather than fulfilling their responsibility to inform and educate the public, they'd rather douse this country's dormant hatreds, stoke our insecurities for the sake of ratings and start a fire they cannot control.

A fire's been blazing in this Democratic primary campaign since the words "Jeremiah Wright" were introduced into the public lexicon, and no one has felt the heat like Barack Obama. Well, scratch that - Obama and the rest of Trinity's congregation.

See, folks in the media and in America seem to not care one whit about how this has affected the thousands of Chicagoans for whom Trinity is a place of worship. While undoubtedly there were matters of political convenience considered in coming to this decision, Obama's resignation fro Trinity puts a spotlight on the extent someone will go to in order to get a story:

“We had reporters grabbing church bulletins and calling up the sick and the shut-in,” [Obama] said. “That’s just not how people should have to operate in their church.


The sick and shut-in? That's sick. Having grown up in another UCC, I remember seeing that list every Sunday. For those unfamiliar, that list is one typically put in that Sunday's church bulletin and/or announced during service so that the congregation can pray for those folks, send cards and visit at hospitals and homes. It is not a Rolodex for nosy reporters. And if those folks are being bugged by the media, I can't imagine what churchgoers were encountering before and after service every Sunday.

There are very few comfort zones for African-Americans in this country, places in which we feel at ease and uplifted. They range from the secular to the religious, and none of them are perfect. None of them exhibit qualities that we're proud of all the time, or have people that you agree with universally. It is not an easy decision to leave any of them behind. Barack Obama held onto Trinity as long as he could, but the fire grew too hot and he needed to let go. He needed to let go in order for there to be any chance at a normal life for Trinity's congregation and any hope to escape further damage from the politically stupid (even if true) things that have been spoken on Trinity's pulpit. I don't oppose Obama's action here; in fact, I've heartily endorsed his distancing himself from the more virulent elements of that association.

But what makes this particular action sad, and a true loss, is the simple fact that a man has been separated from the place in which he found Jesus Christ. It's not about the building. It's not even about the congregation, really. It's about the spirit of the place, and if a man like Barack Obama found his God in Trinity United Church of Christ...even a common observer couldn't judge the place to be all bad.

I know what it's like to join a congregation, as Barack did, without a strong connection to the Lord and, over time, feel that connection grow. I joined my current church, an A.M.E., in 2005, and in my time there, I've gained more insight, felt more fellowship and enriched my faith in ways unimagined. Even still, my current relationship with Christ isn't close to where I need it to be. I still have a lot of work to do. But I know the process Barack is talking about, and if I were tomorrow forced to rip myself away from my church by forces of mankind - politics, prejudice and misunderstanding being examples - I would be saddened beyond belief. I would have truly lost a part of myself. And that's after less than four years in the church. I can't imagine what I'd feel after 20.

I think we all need to take a moment to reflect on what a truly difficult position Obama has been put in here, and how painful that decision was. Yes, cynics will dismiss it as a necessary move of political convenience.

But that's only part of the story.

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I'm neither black nor a Christian (or theist in general), but thanks for writing this, Huey. And it's rather well written, too.

I can see that for Obama, leaving Trinity may be the politically expedient thing to do, but it is also the right thing to do - for reasons beyond his control.

Sure he's going to get some flack for it, but then again, those same people would criticize him if he stayed, so their opinion isn't worth much.

Why are journos such a pack of hyenas, anyway?

Churches should be off-limits to politics and the media, just as the church should stay a long way away from the political arena. The two have never successfully mixed, and that's why our founding fathers attempted to give us a clear separation of church and state. It's a direction we should head back towards. No politician should ever be hounded out of their church by the bunch of jackasses we call "the media."

How did it get in the media to start?

Well, as it happens, Hillary's people hounded their pals in the press for months to do a story about the scary, scary negro preacher who was saying scary, scary things in the scary, scary negro chuch he belonged to. They followed their instincts and ignored her for a long time, but then, when she started working the refs for being "biased," just like the Republicans do, ABC and Fox bit and the rest followed like the pack of mindless feral dogs they are.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9051_Page2.html

Any other questions?

You mean it had nothing to do with Obama putting it in his book or having his religious picture taken? Well praise be, that Hillary sure is evil, isn't she?

The two have never successfully mixed, and that's why our founding fathers attempted to give us a clear separation of church and state.

You mean like those Founding Fathers in the Election of 1800:

The Federalists campaigned against Jefferson as an infidel who would destroy religion and set up the Goddess of Reason in its place, as extremists in the French Revolution had attempted to do. Jefferson's an Infidel

Wait, the party led by a Unitarian (Adams) was saying that Jefferson was hostile to religion (even in Quincy's campaign against Jackson, twenty-odd years later, Unitarian was still used as a stand-in for Atheist)?

I'm simply amazed by your post. I've been thinking of how to say the same thing...but I would have been horribly deficient. Thank you for putting my thoughts into such beautiful words.

God bless Barak Obama and his family. God bless us all.

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Thanks, friend, for the kind words.

Anytime, anywhere.

Seriously. Fantastic work. I always enjoy your posts, especially since when I'm reading I hear Huey's voice in my head.

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I think the issue here is that Obama was a member of this church for 20 years. The pastor married him and was the inspiration for one of his books, even the title of that book came from one of Wrights sermons. What the real issue is that how could Senator Obama suddenly realize that Wright was not the man he thought he was. Of course, we can rationalize that people get divorced after 20 years of marriage with that same lame excuse but that is what it is a lame excuse. Sorry, but he through Wright under the bus because he wants to be President. And this after the greatest speech on race ever given in recorded history.
Can someone please explain this clearly and without insulting everyones intelligence?

Clear explanation: it's none of your god-damned business what goes on in someone else's church.

Clear enough?

Hurray! Separation of Church and State, anyone?

The problem with your ill-tempered reply is that Barack made his religion and his membership in this anti-white church part of his campaign.

Has he kept his mouth shut about being god's candidate, and merely stated that he belonged to a church, there would have been little scrutiny of Trinity.

But when you put a photo of yourself at a pulpit with a glowing cross behind you (one of Obama's official flyers at least in Kentucky), you open yourself and your church to media examination.

The examination revealed a white-hating pastor, a white-hating congregation and ignorance, in general.

Obama miscalculated in playing the religion-card, and now he's paying the price. But the price will be MUCH higher in the general election.

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He speaks to these issues with great eloquence. This will be a plus for him over all. None of us is free of associates who embarass us with their racism. I am sure you have relatives who are embarassed by your racism.

Can someone please explain this clearly and without insulting everyones intelligence?

In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers: You Gotta Know When to Hold 'Em, Know Whe to Fold 'Em

Let's not forget that Obama

  • Joined a church after a minister told him it would help his community organizing

  • Stayed for 20 years, yet somehow didn't have any idea about Rev Wright's more inflammatory opinions; the same 20 years when being a member didn't hurt him politically.

  • "generalized Wright's ridiculousness to distract from his individual choice to worship under a buffoon for two decades. I have a cousin who attended Wright's church for three weeks and then left, never to return. She had no interest in hearing his nonsense from the pulpit." See Maybe We Can't


  • Invited, then uninvited Rev Wright to speak at the kick-off of his campaign

  • Carpet bombed South Carolina with fliers that mentioned how Rev Wright called him to Christ; his Kentucky fliers just mention what a good Christian he is

  • He only publicly broke ties with Wright after Wright called Obama a politician who'll do/say what a politician has to do to get elected; before then Wright was just a crazy old Uncle

  • Announced his resignation -- itself a political word -- on a Saturday night

Occam's Razor suggests that political expediency is the reason Obama left.

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Joined a church after a minister told him it would help his community organizing

I hear this talking point a lot, but I have yet to understand why it's a bad idea to join a church as part of a desire to help the community!

Stayed for 20 years, yet somehow didn't have any idea about Rev Wright's more inflammatory opinions; the same 20 years when being a member didn't hurt him politically.

Another one I hear a lot, but he's never said that he didn't know Wright could be inflammatory, so it's also based on misinformation. (I suppose one could argue the specific "more inflammatory", but if that's the particular meaning, then I'd say you're hiding behind deliberately vague words.)

I hear this talking point a lot, but I have yet to understand why it's a bad idea to join a church as part of a desire to help the community!

Nothing wrong with trying to help the community, but when someone joins a church for an ulterior motive, and then says Vote for Me because I'm such a good Christian, it's hard for me to conclude the person is really the politics of change.

Another one I hear a lot, but he's never said that he didn't know Wright could be inflammatory, so it's also based on misinformation. (I suppose one could argue the specific "more inflammatory", but if that's the particular meaning, then I'd say you're hiding behind deliberately vague words.)

I refer you back to the quote that I cited from Maybe We Can't and, for that matter, the entire article.

Obama seems remarkably good at not knowing what he doesn't want to know. Again, nothing new in a politician, but not exactly Hope & Change.

Who are you to divine the reasons why anyone decided to join a church? This is a ridiculous line of false-reasoning.

Occam's Razor.

Accept that fact that Obama is a politician. No more. No less.

Here's a simpler one: Obama is being honest, and his pastor of years is suddenly calling him something he's not, so Obama says that maybe they didn't know each other as well as he thought.

Splits like this aren't that unusual. A couple years ago, a conservative shul (as in movement, not political leaning. The conservative movement split off from the reform when members of the rabbinic congress walked out over a proposal to make English the prayer language [the proposal still didn't pass]) near where I live was briefly torn apart when the cantor walked out after the rabbi gave a sermon supporting gay marriage.

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He is clearly a politician. I would argue he is the best politician of a generation. What has that to do with the sincerity of his faith? It is posible to be a secular leader and a faithful christian at the same time. I also admit that, being an atheist myself, I am only interested in his politics and think his religion is irrelevent.

Obama tried to shore up a perceived Democratic weakness -- the seeming inability to openly discuss faith and religion and attract those voters. The strategy backfired, because the faith and religion he was associated with was tainted with this kind of ridiculous and yes looney left diatribe from the pulpit. Wright's attempts to explain himself only dug the hole deeper and exposed him as a deeply immature and shallow thinker.

I have to say -- this aspect of Obama's judgement troubles me. I couldn't sit in that church for more than a Sunday, and he managed to do so for 20 years.

I'm wondering what made you judge and jury of what is ridiculous and loony diatribe?

Idiot.

those are my words twinkle. Stop plagiarizing and write your own material for a change.

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What makes you think that Rev Wright was atempting to do anything other than what he did (hurt Obama's chances of being elected) with his comments at the press club and the NAACP? He was at the very least indifferent to Sen Obama's political situation.

And, for the millionth damn time, what do you know about what was said in that church over those twenty years other than seven minutes of statements that were pulled from twelve hours of tape? Have you ever specifically heard about anything other than these specific statements? Have you seen or heard one shred of actual evidence that those statements were typical rather than exceptional?

If those statements were typical rather than exceptional, don't you think more of them would have surfaced in the weeks that followed the story?

They didn't and you haven't. All you've got is your own personal desire to believe that they must be typical. Why is that?

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You know, I have nothing against Senator Obama. I think he will make a fine president. My problem is with the kind of people that are attracted to him. You are a perfect example.

Please post everything your pastor / preacher / priest says for us all to see. Better yet, a video.

Do you belong to a church? Or is that none of our business??

Les isn't running for President; Obama is.

To quote Rev. Wright:

Left brain is logical and analytical. Object oriented means the student learns from an object. From the solitude of the cradle with objects being hung over his or her head to help them determine colors and shape to the solitude in a carol in a PhD program stuffed off somewhere in a corner in absolute quietness to absorb from the object. From a block to a book, an object. That is one way of learning, but it is only one way of learning.

African and African-American children have a different way of learning.

They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style. Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person. Wright's speech to Detroit NAACP

that would generate interest.

If a white candidate for President belonged to a church for 20 years with a white pastor saying that blacks aren't analytical, that candidate would be driven from the Presidential race. Please stop pretending otherwise.

But hey, maybe that's why it took so long for Obama to withdraw from his church. Since he's biracial, he couldn't figure out if he should respond in an analytical matter or a subject oriented manner. Whatever that mean.

I watched Wright's speech live, the entire thing. Not UTube, viral link, or looped endlessly. Not clips.

Obama is running for President, we are not. Fairly stated. But are we so different and distinct from the President that we cannot be in their shoes once in awhile? That we cannot empathize? Understand?

We expect the President, and all of our elected officials, to understand of our needs and expectations. To do their best, collectively, to make our dreams come true. Yet we cannot even fathom the thought of.....what would I do in his shoes?

I don't know what I would do in Obama's shoes.

Maybe I'd start living-up to the standards he sets about telling hard truths, creating a new kind of politics, change, etc. Instead we've heard a shifting sand of explanations -- I didn't hear it; Wright's like a crazy old Uncle; I would have left if Wright hadn't retired, etc. The only consistency I see is that of a stereotypical politician who says do as I say, not as I do.

So I have sympathy, but it's tempered by the fact that Obama chose to play the God card and it blew up in his face.

How is he not living up to his OWN STANDARDS? When was the last time we had a President with any standards at all? Much less worth living up to.

You think he played the God card. How, exactly, and when? When did he choose of his own valition to make his faith a factor?

He has had to defend himself. When he lets an issue go he "is not strong enough." When he confronts an issue he is "pandering", or being "political". When he tries to just be a human being, a man, he isn't doing it quickly enough.

Hold yourself to those standards.

"...push back on the false Obama Muslim smears in South Carolina -- where the Muslim smear email has been circulating fast and furious of late --"

Defense.

The other is dated May 12, obviously since this whole "blow-up"

Defense.

I ask again - where in offense?

What an idiot you are. And you know what, Rev. Wright is correct. I spoke to one of my mentors who is preparing to defend her dissertation, and she has 7 years of research and 20+ years of teaching experience to confirm it.

Oh Great Les Ismore,

Please tell us what church you approve for all of us to attend, and tell us what we all should think in that church, and also tell us which of our neighbors we should smite because they attend that other church that you don't aprove of.

I think you forgot the word "white" before "church".

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As I said, I have no issues with Senator Obama, it is some of the people he attracts that I object to...Talkin' 'bout you Opus.

I mean what does my comment have to do with his religion?

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Condescending much?

I sense the sad reluctance with which Obama took this step. But frankly, after the Pfleger episode, it was no longer a question of political convenience but of political necessity.
Whites, and white journalists in particular, may well misunderstand black churches. That was the starting point for Obama's superb Philadelphia speech.
He justly earned credit there for not throwing Rev. Wright under the bus. His nuanced approach was in vain, however, as Wright proceeded to throw himself under the very same bus.
In his three-day TV blitz, Wright purported to be defending the black church, but couldn't resist rambling on about AIDS and right-brain-left-brain differences.
Which would have been fine, except for his implication that Obama shared his views but was dissembling out of expediency. Precisely confirming right-wing talking points!
Obama could either have let that stand or disowned his ex-pastor; I believe he made the right call.
Then came Pfleger. A Catholic priest giving a guest sermon, he also happened to be a long-time Obama associate.
Pfleger's performance combined mockery of Hillary Clinton with racial taunting that was cringe-worthy.
It had nothing to do with faith; it was pure politics -- but ran completely counter to the Obama campaign's necessary appeal to eventual reconciliation.
That third strike called for more than a mere expression of disappointment. Since Obama will be moving to Washington for the next eight years, it made sense to start looking for a new congregation.
I don't disparage social and political engagement on the part of clergy. "God damn America!" is not something any politician wants to put on his bumper sticker, but Obama did his best to finesse that.
But the second and third forays involving the church directly linked Obama to views and opinions that he could in no way defend.
Should he have waited for a fourth or fifth between now and November?
As you point out, the media have revelled in this issue. But Obama has also been ill-served by clergymen he thought were his friends.
It is sad that he had to move on, but sometimes change is a good thing for all concerned.

I've just registered on TPM after months of luring just to say thank you for this post.

BO's resignation from Trinity really saddened and bothered me, actually more than anything else I know so far about BO. Although I'm neither Christian nor black I could only begin to guess how difficult this decision must've been for him. I think that there was no good solution for this situation: from many people's perspective staying would've been bad – but in my opinion leaving was really no better.

I have deepest respect for Rev. Wright (from what I've heard of his speeches and sermons on youtube). I think he is a brilliant, wise and passionate person and pastor (I feel very silly writing this, who am I even to begin to judge him?!). As for his statements which some find offensive – well, truth may hurt, do our egos only ever need stroked? Besides, we are still on this side of death, and Rev. Wright never claimed to be an angel. :) What he was was a very important person in BO's life, and ultimately it will not be our fellow Americans who will have to live with Barack's decision to leave the church but Obama himself.

I do from all my heart hope that political expediency was not the true motive of his resignation. Because if it was I'm not sure BO is the person I was hoping he is. After all, once you start on the path of compromising your integrity, where do you stop?

So I'm extremely grateful to you for voicing another possible explanation for Barack's resignation, that is, protection of his fellow worshipers. If it doesn't completely put me at ease, at least it allows me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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That's a very high compliment; thank you. I look forward to more dialogue.

In a story I hoped would get lost in the coverage of Saturday's RBC deliberations and Sunday's meaningless primary in Puerto Rico, Barack Obama has left his church, Trinity United Church of Christ (UCC).

I think we all need to take a moment to reflect on what a truly difficult position Obama has been put in here, and how painful that decision was. Yes, cynics will dismiss it as a necessary move of political convenience.

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It's called personal opinion.

What a well-written and thoughtful piece. I'm not Black, Christian, or even really religious, and you truly put me in a place to reflect on what it must mean for Obama to leave Trinity. It's something that's not being talked about, and it's something that's really not being cared about by anyone in the media, as unfortunate as that is. Even the thought that the parishioners were being harassed in such a way sickens me. And it makes me realize that, perhaps it was partially a political motivation of Obama's to leave. But it's not as if he didn't feel he was forced to make such a decision. ...How truly sad. How truly truly sad.

I am sick of people saying white people just don't understand the "black church". Trinity is one church -- it is not the norm in my experience. I have been to many black churches and always felt the experience to be uplifting. I've never even heard a black minister preach politics like Obama's church. I find the services there to be somewhat bizarre and completely inappropriate. The Catholic priests rant would have been the last straw for me, just like Obama. Who says stupid, ridiculous nonsense like that in a house of worship? I don't attend church for a political rally, and anyone who uses the platform to project their views disgusts me.

Please post everything your pastor / preacher / priest says for us all to see. Better yet, a video.

Do you belong to a church? Or is that none of our business??

What about using a blog to project their stupid ridiculous rant?

You probably reach more people BrokeD. (What's the D short for?)

This is a post I made to TPM yesterday.
Scientific joins the Clintons, Bush and assorted media-bashers from all over the political spectrum by blaming the media's coverage of Wright, Pfleger, Trinity's howling and hooting congregation rather than the words and actions of the protanganists.

The media "doesn't understand" black churches? They don't understand jewish synagogues or budhist temples or catholic churches either. But they do know anti-white racism when they hear it...and that's what they heard.

My post below points out that the Trinity fiasco neen not have happenned; it did because Obama decided to place the god-card in his campaign, much as the right-wing extremist candidates have done for decades.

Obama Resigns From Trinity Church, 20-Years Too Late

Politico.com is reporting that the Obama campaign is going to spin the resignation from Trinity thus: Barack did this to protect the church from the relentless media coverage it has been receiving, coverage which may be impeding the church from doing its "good works."

I've written before about the cynicism evinced by Obama in wrapping around the Cross, much as the far-right reactionary candidates of the past have exclusively done. With the arguable exception of Jimmy Carter, Barack is the first progressive Democrat candidate to adopt one of the vilest and most divisive tactics employed by the Right.

I have argued that deployment of religiosity by Obama was a grievous and gratuitous strategic error that would (and already has) come back to haunt him.

His 20-year-too-late resignation from the church is preposterous on its face. Is he expecting the public to swallow the idea that only since the media shined its lights on Trinity has it been a sanctuary for anti-white sentiment? That, in his 20-years of alleged Trinity church going he never heard similar race-baiting comments coming from the pulpit?

He used the church membership as another line on his political resume; after all, how can anyone be elected president if he/she cannot plausibly assert membership in one church or another? Unfortunately for the candidate, he choose the wrong church and now, in the famous words of Rev. Wright himself, "the chickens are coming home to roost."

The Obama campaign is confronted with its first significant political dilemma. Either the candidate is an obvious hypocrite and was a church member in name only and didn't know or care anything about the church's ideology; or, he was deeply involved in church matters and at least implicitly condoned this church's ideological bent. Not a pretty choice.

He played the god-card when he had no need to do so; now he has to live with the consequences of that decision.

[Note: I take no joy in writing this; his achievements thus far have been monumental, as is his courage.]

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Please post everything your pastor / preacher / priest says for us all to see. Better yet, a video.

Do you belong to a church? Or is that none of our business??

If EVERYTHING Wright has said over the years had been posted or aired prior to the campaign, I doubt whether Barack would have survived it.

And, you miss my point: Barack brought this scrutiny on himself by posing at a pulpit with a shining white cross in the background in one of his official brochures, and by co-opting the tactics used by the right-wing religious loonies and implying he was christ's candidate.

No, it is none of your business if I belong to a church or not because I don't wear my religion or lack thereof on my sleeve and try to use it for political gain, as has Obama.

Just like when one flirts with the devil for political gain, so too when one exploits god for the same reason, those actions eventually come back to haunt the perpetrator---in this case Barack Obama.

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Sorry for the original reply. It was a waste of space on you.

I would hardly call your repetitive 2 or 3 sentences a "reply."

Please don't "reply" again; I promise this will be my last to you.

Good luck, barefooted.

I'll miss you...

The Obama campaign is confronted with its first significant political dilemma. Either the candidate is an obvious hypocrite and was a church member in name only and didn't know or care anything about the church's ideology; or, he was deeply involved in church matters and at least implicitly condoned this church's ideological bent. Not a pretty choice.

Spot on.

Or maybe the stances mentioned are the personal opinions of a man who remembers when the government did infect blacks with highly feared pathogens, and was overshadowed by the stances the Obama cites.

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If we have gotten much major sustenance, religious and/or emotional, from a pastor or a friend or a relative, we're going to put up with a certain amount of expression of what we don't care for or disagree with from them. Outsiders may not appreciate this; if so, the outsiders are fools -- not a surprise. (Yes, that is not an expression of high regard for the MSM.)

But a politician has to do what is practical. As a private citizen, I can have and express opinions that no politician would dare. Lincoln and FDR said and did things we often disapprove of; but they got the job done, we shouldn't sneer at them for the compromises.

And, with regard to inflammatory opinions, let me remark that getting endorsements from people ought to be held to a higher standard than relations with a pastor whose church one has attended for decades. I daresay partly as a matter of partisanship I can't claim to feel any comprehension of how some longstanding parishioner of Hagee's might have benefitted from him; but McCain had no reasons of well-founded personal loyalty to explain his association with the likes of Hagee.

EXCELLENT last paragraph.

I don't know where you people go to church, but I don't every recall preachers acting in ways to bother their congregation, and if they did, the deacons/church elders would be working to remove him/her. And that goes for the young people out of theology school giving their trial sermons. The recipe is pretty simple - you open the Bible, you find a passage that's not too depressing, you build some kind of intriguing message around it to push people's daily lives to do a little better and end with a solemn prayer to God to better devote your life to him. And then you shake people's hands as they're filing out of the church complimenting each other on their hats.

Who is your pastor?

Desidero's pastor is Charles Darwin.

You're just wrong. So wrong.

Oh come on. My rabbi is one of the most respected in the country, and he still gets heat from somebody for anything he says about Israel.

I got as far as "The media doesn't understand the black church worth a damn." Media is plural. So the media "doen't" understand..." Secondly, you're lucky the media doen't understand the black church. If they did, we'd have been treated to all that racism and self-victimization day after day until nobody would dare vote for Obama. We've seen enough of the black church for a lifetime. But thank you anyway.

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Thank you, grammar nazi.

Amen. ;)

Besides the whole calling-religious-figures-with-melanin-racist thing, you have a huge factual error: "media" can be used in the collective singular.

I know nothing of the African-American experience.

But I do know that the Christian experience, in it's finest form, is one of family and I bet that Trinity has been a part of Sen. Obama's family. His FAMILY - including Rev. Wright. (You know how you still love your grumpy old uncle who tells sexist jokes in public? You love him because he's family, right? And you can see the good in him, even while you cringe at the bad.)

Probably Sen. Obama knew how off-putting Rev. Wright's anger would be to mainstream America, but a church is so much more that just it's pastor. It's core is the congregation. I imagine that Sen. Obama thought of his church as a whole, not just as the one piece that is Rev. Wright. If you see his Trinity family as a whole, is it really any wonder that he took a long time to tear himself away from those who embraced him and offered him the unconditional love that Christianity is supposed to provide?

So it's heart-breakingly sad that he must leave that family. And he must. Yes, for political reasons ... Now, more than ever, our whole country needs to feel like WE are a family, and so many of us couldn't feel that way after our harsh introduction to Rev. Wright. As President Obama he'll need to be part of a more inclusive family.

What strikes me the most though, is that Sen. Obama and Mrs. Obama DIDN'T throw Trinity under the bus, their resignation letter spoke of love and sadness and goodbye.

I hope they find a new church family that they can love as much.

And to all who want to judge Sen. Obama harshly ...go to H-E-double hockey sticks!

Can I get an AMEN? Love ya, bluekitty

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Leaving a congregation that has nurtured you, cared for you and encouraged you is like a death. Taking your family with you including your young children from their church friends is worse than a death. He was in an untenable situation. I hope they will find a new place of worship and fellowship that welcomes them whole heartedly and in time can call it home. The media and the opposition hold nothing sacrid and never attempt to explain anything remotely complex. Shame on them.

Indeed - shame on them

Why, thank you, barefooted. And I must say that I really appreciated your original replies to Fredrick, who, it seems, is a pain in the patootie.
You were spot on.

;) Back at 'ya

Thank you for this post. I literally cried over the treatment of Rev. Wright and TUCC by the media. It saddens me deeply that Obama had to leave his church especially because I believe you are right

There are very few comfort zones for African-Americans in this country, places in which we feel at ease and uplifted.

I do think it's a generalization to say that the media doesn't understand the black church but I do think they do not understand this church or churches like it that have historically served as a place for black people to gather together to think and talk freely about the institutionalized, systemic oppression that plagues their everyday real life experiences. Unless you belong to a group that has been systemically marginalized, it might be difficult to understand the need to find support, relief and even strategies on how to cope. Coping can be through religion, humor, cultural creations, etc.

I think one of the most frustrating aspects of all of this to me is the unwilligness to acknowledge that like most of us, Obama is a complex human being and his reasons for attending and staying at TUCC are complex. He certainly could sit their for 20 years and hear seemingly provocative things and not internalize them. We are all bombarded with tons of messages everyday but don't internalize half of them if we're smart and thoughtful. We filter, we select, we consider and ponder. And sometimes, hearing provocative things causes us to develop really sophisticated analyses if we attempt to understand them.

I also think it's very difficult to talk about all this without sharing a common language. My definition of racism as it exists in this country, for example, does not allow for black people to be racist against whites because I define it as institutional and systemic power. African Americans do not have the power to act on any of their bigotry or prejudice against whites--if they have any. We can bitch and complain all we want, so what? We still have to function, survive and thrive in a society skewed against us. For the most part, my experience is that African Americans are not "anti-white" but instead are anti-oppression and yes, sometimes anti-government because of its oppressive, even brutal and inhumane policies.

Obama arrived in Chicago alone, knowing no on. Through his relationship with Michelle and her family, he found the anchors that had been lacking in his life. One of those anchors, for him, was a church community, just as Rev. Wright was, at least initially, a substitute father figure. Who among you who, like Obama, has experienced being raised by a single parent, or being moved from place to place would not be drawn to a strong, rooted family and the larger family of that community church?
As an agnostic I find the subject of a candidate's religion superfluous. Nonethelss, I have hated the religious tightrope Obama is forced to walk. On the one hand, accusations that he might be a Muslim led him to the logical conclusion that he should point out his Christian affiliation; on the other, his choice of Christian affiliation has been criticized and impugned, and his church community has been harassed, factors which have led him to leave that particular church.
For Heaven's sake (pardon the pun) -- why is this part of the discussion at all? We should drop this subject altogether because we do, in fact, have a separation of Church and State. But, if not, then it is ridiculous to focus all the dissecting attention on the beliefs and affiliations of one candidate only.

Actually I think I can speak to this fairly well as Obama and I have much in common. I have a distinctly muslim name as does he. His father was from Kenya. My father is from Somalia. My parents divorced when I was young and I was raised by West Indian Catholic mother and was raised as a Catholic. That said I don't take offense if someone assumes I am Muslim or a slur - I reply my father is, but I am not. I wouldn't find it offensive if people posted a picture of me in Somali garb on the internets or as a slur. It's part of my heritage that I don't share with my father, but that I respect.

This whole DID YOU HEAR BARACK IS A CHRISTIAN notion is so offensive to me as if he should want the votes of people who won't vote for him because they think he's a muslim. Really? Those the kind of votes you want? Barack attracted attention to his Church because he wanted to publicly identify himself as a Christian. And the negative sermons and hateful speech coming out of that ministry raised the question of what type of Christian church is it? You bear responsibility for the type of Chruch you choose. If there is an inconsistency between a Church that is so far from your public image of racial unity and you publicly put your Church out there for people to see your values, then you have a real problem which Obama has still not resolved.

That said, while I was raised Catholic as an adult I am not a practicing Catholic. The Church's views on women, homosexuality, contraception, trying to impose religious views on when life begins on others through the law, etc I strongly disagree with. While I agree with the teachings of Christ, I cannot be a part of a Church I so fundamentally disagree with. How could Barack not come to the same conclusion? There are other Churches that have the same service to community, etc and preach a Gospel that is much more unifying, open and based on the teachings of Christ rather than inciting politcal and racial divisions and anger. For him to stay at TUCC makes me question his principles and values.

I'm sure you came to that conclusion shortly after you joined the Catholic Church, that withdrawing from it was painless and that you had no hesitancy or doubt about it.

Well the clear distinction is that I was raised in the Catholic Church and yes of course it was painful to leave it. Barack actively CHOSE Trinity which suggests to me he was very much at hom there. If there's a distinction to be made, I don't see how it falls in Obama's favor.

Moved from place to place? He was born in Hawaii, moved to Indonesia for 4 years and decided to move back to go to prep school. Is that a lot of moving? His mother remarried when he was 5 and stayed with that husband until he was 13.

So many excuses to make Obama's childhood seem somehow impressive and difficult.

I too have been a traveler of many islands. Born in The Bronx. Raised in Staten Island. Work in Manhattan. Spent every summer with my grandma in St. Martin/Sint Maarten. I am much more a world traveler than Obama :)

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Hope that smiley-face is an acknowledgment that you're kidding. Good to see that avatar back.

Scientific as you know I respect your views and positions, but I couldn't disagree more about TUCC and can probably pinpoint my strongest to the whole Reverend Wright debacle. The most offensive thing to me was that Senator Obama and friends were arguing that Trinity is just misunderstood and to criticize Trinity is to criticize and disrespect the African American Church traditions. I honestly think that's why Father Pfleger (a white Catholic priest) went up and acted the fool in the pulpit - using his sermon to mock and attack another human being. Maybe he thought he could catch everyone out on their hypocrisy if the media did not react to him the same way they did with Reverend Wright. I think we can all agree now it is the substance & manner of the vicious attack and not the race of the attacker that was so offensive.

The most offensive thing to me is to use the pulpit - a place where you are supposed to be teaching the words of God & the teachings of Christ - to go against everything Jesus Christ stood for. Where in the bible does it say mock your enemy? Where in the bible does it say inspire hatred in others? How can you be using the PULPIT to express your political views in a wholly unchristian way? And he has still not apologized to Senator Clinton for the substance of his remarks. Only to Senator Obama for offending his campaign and to people who may have been "unintentionally" offended.

People see the applause and the reaction to those sermons and if they are Christian say how is this consistent with how Christ taught us to live? That's the problem you have here. And for Obama to just distance himself from the Chruch while continuing to refuse to address the core issue shows that it is truly political. He continues to say TUCC is just misunderstood. I didn't misunderstand all those people clapping during those offensive sermons. Perhaps Senator Obama in his grand speech on race and religion should have taken a moment out to clearly distance himself from such unchristian rhetoric. Yes the media cast a spotlight on TUCC, but perhaps those at the church need to reinvigorate their bible study especially on love your enemy passages. That Church is not inidcative of African American church community at large and I view them the same way I view extremist white Chruches of Hagee and Robertson and Falwell.

What specific statements from Rev Wright in Church offended you? Me thinks you protest too much...

Methinks youthinks any protest be too much. And damn'd be he who first cries "hold enough".

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Responding to a few of your points.

(BTW, like you, I also have an Arab name - that is what you meant; not "Muslim", right?)

The most offensive thing to me was that Senator Obama and friends were arguing that Trinity is just misunderstood and to criticize Trinity is to criticize and disrespect the African American Church traditions...

I don't recall Senator Obama specifically defending "African American church traditions" universally, and neither do I. From all impressions, I wouldn't feel comfortable at Trinity. But there are a lot of reasons to join a church. The sermon is one part of a very wide experience.

I honestly think that's why Father Pfleger (a white Catholic priest) went up and acted the fool in the pulpit - using his sermon to mock and attack another human being.

The father made an ass of himself. He looked some guy who'd seen that scene in a lot of episodes of "Good Times" and "Amen" and thought he'd try to mimic the cadence and exaggerated behavior. That said, a lot of what he said is stuff people believe. I do think the Clintons entered this race and behaved as though they were entitled. I don't think that had anything to do with race, but I do think they weren't afraid to use race as a tool in securing the "precious". But we're all entitled (heh) to our opinions, and I think we can disagree peacefully.

And he has still not apologized to Senator Clinton for the substance of his remarks. Only to Senator Obama for offending his campaign and to people who may have been "unintentionally" offended.

When she apologizes to Obama for that RFK remark, then I'll worry about Father Pfleger. He said she was entitled; she implied that it might be good to stay in the race in case dude gets capped. Here's what I had to say about her.

Yes the media cast a spotlight on TUCC, but perhaps those at the church need to reinvigorate their bible study especially on love your enemy passages.

You mean, like Matthew 7: 1-5, for instance? Take your own advice.

You're taking the views of two men who've spoken from that pulpit and generalizing about a congregation of over 8,000 people. That's very wrong. I haven't agreed with everything my preachers have ever said, and you can rest assured that I'm not alone. Why should I be tarred with the same brush?

That Church is not inidcative of African American church community at large and I view them the same way I view extremist white Chruches of Hagee and Robertson and Falwell.

Perhaps you should actually see it for yourself, in person, before you pass judgment. That's what I plan to do the next time I'm in Chicago, and I hope you do the same.

Respect, sister. Take care.

My name is from an Arabic origin but you have Arabic Christian names and Arabic Muslim names. Many times an arabic name can be shared between the two faiths. My name has particular importance in Islamic history and the Koran and so I identify it (and many others do) as muslim.

That said I take your biblical quote to heart and try not to judge others, but as is everyone, I am imperfect. The purpose of a sermon is to teach the word of God & not to use your time in front of your ministry espousing your political views in a mean, mocking unchristian way. I don't understand how a man of God who is responsible for teaching the word of God and lifting his ministry to live their lives in the path of Jesus chooses to se his sermon to be so unchristian.

He's not blogging on the internets or saying his views in private. He's saying it from the pulpit which gives the impression of my words are founded in the teachings of Christ rather than his own biases and political beliefs and anger. If the purpose of a Church and a religious leader is to inspire us to follow more closely to the path of God, I don't see how that type of sermon (and sermons) leads people in that direction. It seems to me to appeal to the uglier and more bitter sides of their nature.

Are you suggesting the white members of the congregation hated themselves?

F***ing ridiculous.

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To whom are you directing this?

Please don't tell me that Obama became a community activist without any further aspirations. You have to understand Chicago politics. One of the best ways to get the political base you need is to join one of these churches. There you get community power, money, organization, etc.

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Obama on religion and politics.
Video here:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid463869411/bctid416343938

Transcript Here:
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060628-call_to_renewal/index.php

The absolute best speech on this subject in 40 years. He discusses how he came to the church and what he learned there. (to debunk, as he says here, he was HIRED by church groups, but he remained mainly oustide - "an observer in their midst" for a long time)

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As someone who has both been a member of a UCC church (and don't go now because I moved to a place where I don't like the UCC church as well) and who was brought up Catholic (with one Catholic and one Protestant parent), it's my belief that lots of people don't quite understand the UCC. It's not a place with a central dogma. People don't go to a UCC church and expect to share precisely the same view of God as another congregant. UCC churches vary widely in the kind of services that are performed in the church - some churches experiment with many different kinds of services. People are encouraged to question and discuss religious issues - they aren't indoctrinated. The one I belonged to was attractive to me because it sparked questions on my part, not because it proposed to give answers. This kind of religious experience was obviously different than the Catholicism I was brought up with (an experience that is also still important and meaningful to me) in that Catholics tell you that there are specific things that you really do have to believe. UCC uses Christ as a central tenet, but what Christ taught, etc., is subject to discussion and interpretation, way more so than in a Catholic church or in most Protestant churches. So the idea that there is controversy in the pulpit is something that UCC people might seek out - they might want to have intellectual disagreements with their pastor - people at UCC churches don't think that's inappropriate. UCC churches are almost universally interested in helping the poor and disadvantaged in their communities, and that's something the congregation works hard together to do. (Most UCC congregations are predominantly white, although they work to be racially inclusive, and the UCC was first denomination in the US to welcome gays and lesbians.)

What is inappropriate is judging somebody on the basis of what church they go to, or to decide what kind of pastor somebody should have. There are lots of reasons people belong to churches, and lots of ways people use their religion to enrich their lives. For example, Tim Kaine, the Governor of Virginia, is a Catholic with a missionary background who is personally opposed to the death penalty and to abortion. However, he doesn't believe that his personal belief system should be legislatively imposed because he believes that the civil law is a social contract. So Democrats who are pro-choice don't see a conflict in voting for him - and wouldn't use YouTube anti-abortion rants by his parish priest to argue that he's not a fit person to vote for. Why does everyone think it's appropriate to judge Obama? How about the other presidential candidates - when did their churches (if ever) condone homosexual unions? Why aren't we flaming them and calling them out on it, if that's appropriate for Obama?

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Y'all need a lobotomy. The man said 9/11 was 'the chickens coming home to roost.' If that doesn't have political significance, than what does? Whatever anyone thinks about our foreign policy, the answer should never be more violence.

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