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When I look at the Recommended Reader Posts today, the majority of what I see is about Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama has just made history by becoming the first African American presidential nominee in the history of this country – possibly the most significant single event since the Civil Rights movement itself. It is, in some ways, the mountaintop of which Dr. King once spoke, or at least a huge step onto that mountain.

And what we are obsessing over is Hillary Clinton? What’s with you all? How many times do we have to bash her, rehash her speech and complain about her behavior? I’m not saying that some of these subjects don’t matter, but to overshadow Obama’s accomplishment by giving her all this negative attention is really missing this amazing moment in history.

Obama doesn’t just represent the first great hope of African Americans for vindication and a sense of pride they have long deserved, but he represents a great hope for this country.

Obama also has mobilized and inspired huge numbers of young voters. They will never forget their first campaign, and they are so fortunate to have been inspired by such a gifted man. Many of these people will continue to participate in our democracy for the rest of their lives because of Obama. A good many would never have gotten involved at all without him. In this alone, Obama is helping provide a better future for this country – a new generation of idealistic and committed citizens.

The world itself is proud of us, amazed and delighted by this landmark. They see us overcoming our national myopia and growing, evolving before their eyes. They see in the nomination of Obama a chance to cheer for us again, something they long ago lost under Bush. Obama is already creating a worldwide stir in many countries, and doing something in one night that I, for one, thought would take years to accomplish – erasing the bitter taste of eight years of Bush’s unilateral disdain for the world outside our borders (while he was showing utter disdain for the Constitution and most of our populace at the same time, so nobody should accuse him of being anything but consistently disdainful).

So all I suggest is that we celebrate Obama more than we denigrate and dissect Clinton. This is an amazing moment. Let’s not get lost in another national distraction and fail to notice what is really important.

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To be fair, most of the Rec'd posts are from last night, and the list is on a 24-hour timer. Aside from that, yes, it's time to focus on the nominee.

I think that now that it's official that she is dropping out, things will be wrapping up.

Obama is an amazing candidate - a charismatic progressive, the first to come along in a long, long time. He could do so much for this country, pushing through progressive legislation, repairing our foreign policy, turning the courts around, not to mention marking a true turning point in healing the scars of slavery and racism.

It is all almost too much to hope for, and to have one of our own, or one who claims to be one of us, Hillary Clinton, refuse to start helping the cause, for apparently deeply selfish reasons, is frustrating in the extreme. I started posting on TPM from this frustration, and you read it over and over here from others. That's where this is coming from, I think.

As we all start to believe that Clinton will either help, or be irrelevant, the temperature will cool. I'm not yet reassured that she won't carry a grudge through the summer, and make Obama's job getting elected more difficult, but I hope in fact things are wrapping up.

Sometimes the most emotional, troubled arguments are within the family, which I think holds true at the moment in politics.

I feel beside myself with gratitude for Obama and what he represents and that I have an opportunity to vote for such a man to be our president. I never thought I'd see the day in my lifetime that I wouldn't just be voting for the lesser of two evils...

I am truly inspired.

Agree with Wilh*m and with ViChi. National cynicism is in danger of being replaced by optimism.

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For me, it started the day Rove resigned in disgrace. May it end with Karl in carcarated.

And what we are obsessing over is Hillary Clinton? What’s with you all? How many times do we have to bash her, rehash her speech and complain about her behavior?

Maybe too many of Obama's supporters, at least on TPM, are more interested in being anti-Hillary rather than pro-Barack.

QFT
Constantinople said a mouthful and I do believe you are absolutely correct! It's FUN to bash women and pretend you are just talking about one woman in particular.
(However I did see some of the same avatars starting to warm up to some good old fashioned AGEISM and pretending they are talking about Senator McCain!)

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The longer Hillary ran and the more frequently I came across images of her face, the more I recognized something of my mother in Hillary.

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Give me a break!

I have commented strongly on Hillary's actions many times on this site and I was only ever talking about her and her alone. Criticism of Obama is not automatically racist and criticism of Clinton is not automatically sexist.

Get a grip!

I'm not referring to any specific poster, but to posters in general.

After all, my post was just a variation on raider99's original theme.

You know, I'm kind of liking that Obama's race isn't so front and center. He certainly didn't run a campaign as a "black candidate".

If you are really looking towards MLKJ, then let's remind ourselves that Obama is not not being

judged by the color of [his] skin, but by the content of [his] character.

Absolutely! But still, to African Americans, he means something that he can never mean for the rest of us. That's all I'm saying. He is a great inspiration to me, regardless of race, gender or species.

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I watched his victory speach at an Obama watch party here in Memphis. The crowd was largely AA. I saw few dry eyes in the crowd. It clearly meant a great deal to them.

I just posted exactly the same observation on another blog that you are making in your post. It's not only here at TPM. It's also on every single TV channel.

What's your explanation?

I think it's self-explanatory. I looked at the list of Recommended Posts and saw that most of them were about Hillary and thought it a shame that we weren't celebrating the moment more around the winner than the loser. That's about it. And I enjoy discussion with the people in TPM about things we all care about.

I have been posting "time to move on" on every reader blog about the he did/she did thing all day. So much work, so little time.

He is a great inspiration to me, regardless of race, gender or species.

WTF does that mean?

Get over yourself, Indiex. It was a joke. Chill.

Was this a joke too?

Absolutely! But still, to African Americans, he means something that he can never mean for the rest of us.

It was a response to a previous post, so what do you think?

Do you have to go negative on everything? Dude, are you a Republican or what? Otherwise, let's just get on with it without more distractions from a moment we could otherwise enjoy.

This post wasn't about petty squabbling, but about celebrating a great accomplishment. If you insist on continuing this kind of attack, I will have no more of it. On the other hand, if you have something of substance to offer our discussion, please feel free.

On the other hand, if you have something of substance to offer our discussion, please feel free.

Something of substance? Maybe I should make a 'joke' about how proud I am of his species.

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Indiex, 99's words are NOT as ambiguous as you interpret.

I'm the first one to spot a subtle subterfuger (try pronouncing that with a short U and a hard G) and 99's not one of them.

Mellow out, Dude!

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Indiex, do you ever post anything? Or is sniping all you know?

It's a puff post that contained a statement too ridiculous to resist.

Totally agreed! I found this commentary on CNN that was wonderful:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/04/jakes/index.html

It is interesting to see how similar these feelings are to those expressed by Hillary supporter's dreams for their daughters.

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I suggest you and I stop obsessing over Clinton (unless of course it's in the heat of a close political fight).;)

I'm celebrating Obama's achievement by google-bombing McCain's "new" slogan. Feel free to play, too:

a leader we can believe in

bomb-bomb-bomb the tubes...

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I'll join your contribution drive tomorrow sometime, thissniss, great idea.

Curious, isn't it, how McCain's minion(s) have managed to convince at least 250 Americans ( wasn't that the attendance at his latest world-shaking speech?) he's a foreign policy expert... and the sum of all that 'sperience is "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran..."

Every time someone tells you McCain's got more internatinal 'sperience than Obama, remind them what a diplomat Johnny really is.

Just sing that tune for them.

Thanks for the praise-ful vibe, raider99

I finally just saw all of Obama's speech from last night and was moved to the usual brink-of-tears. This time though the unhinged audience excitement really increased the intensity of what he was saying. They were off the hook!!! I could just feel the collective release, like we had arrived, really ARRIVED, regardless of what Clinton said or would choose to do.

It IS incredible how many people have been inspired, and even if Obama's goals seem lofty and beyond reach it is important that we are putting them out there and being given permission to feel something besides cynicism. (Right? Is it ok to feel a little optimistic?)

*exhales* AHHHHHHH

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Agreed. Let's move on. It's about Obama vs. McCain now. I would add that the VP decision is also a secondary matter.

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Hear, hear!!

Yes, do celebrate Obama. He has won and even better, because this campaign has gone to EVERY state, he has built infrastructure on the ground. Voters have been registered and mobilized in EVERY state, not just the early voting states. Far from weakening Obama, the long primary has registered and mobilized voters in historic numbers, built nationwide campaign infrastructure and secured a massive campaign war chest that could, in the future, completely change the Congress as well as the White House.

All of the hard work of fighting for the nomination puts the party's nominee in place to wage a nation-wide, multi-state strategy with a strong foundation. The volunteer lists and phone trees already are there, the phone bankers are there, the contacts and networks are there, not just in the 10-15 early states but in every state.

Far from bemoaning the long, long primary campaign, we should celebrate Obama and the solid campaign infrastructure that can secure victory in November.

Just wanted to say that's a very classy post you made. You've been a strong Clinton supporter and made your case in post after post very eloquently throughout the primaries and I enjoyed reading your comments. They were thoughtful and informative.

The Obama campaign is fortunate to receive your support. Good luck!

As the Unity Zebra, I'm ready to move on. I'm tired of the bashing, the rehashing, the revisiting of all those Hillary moments. Enough already!

oh gee, the world is "proud of us" and is happy that we're "growing and evolving"? golly-gosh, that's how I want to pick a president. I mean, that's what's important after all: that the world likes us.

as for this wonderful moment that the writer is so verklempt about, here's a truly wonderful moment to look forward to: when a black man or a woman can run for president and IT'S NOT EVEN MENTIONED. when a black man can lose and people don't say it's because of racism. when a woman can lose and people don't say it's because of sexism.

when President Obama screws up and the press calls him on it and we can argue about him screwing up and his color is not any part of the discussion: THAT's the wonderful moment we should all be looking forward to.

all this crap about "we can never understand what it means to them" just underscores the point that there's an us and a them. yeah, I don't know what it's like to be black. but a black man doesn't know what it's like to be a woman. a christian doesn't know what it's like to be a jew. can we all get over ourselves, lose the hyphens, and become Americans again?

Wow, that's a really aggressive way to make your point. But if you're serious about your point and not just trying to create division, I will answer:

The reason I said what I said about the AA community is that they ARE a different demographic from white people. What other constituency voted over 90% for one candidate over another in the primaries?

Listen, we are all one. I see that and agree totally with you. And as we say that, and as we hopefully evolve into a world where that is really and truly the norm, we still can recognize that people often do divide themselves into categories of ethnicity, gender, religion, geography, elite vs. working class, educated vs uneducated, Democrat and Republican... ad nauseum. There's an idealistic reality and a reality on the ground.

Right now, having a world that is for us instead of against us could do wonders toward solving the very real problems we face, including oil, climate change and terrorism. I'm just expressing my personal opinion, but I think that's very significant, and it's Obama who has gotten a lot (not all) of the world excited.

Right now is a time of great celebration for many of us, and it is more poignant for many African Americans for reasons that do not need to be stated.

And right now is a time of some disappointment for many women. That is a reality, too. Notice, I'm not saying all women, but some.

So, forgive me if I still see differences. It's not that I want to, but because they still exist in the real world. I totally agree with the conof your post, as I read it

Somehow the Post button decided to get pushed without my help.

So I totally agree with the apparent content of your post (got cut off above), but find the tone is confrontational and quite unfriendly, and because of that, I do question the intention of the post, which seems to be to start an argument and to insult me, not to make the point that it would be so much better if race and gender were never even a consideration - a point to which I heartily agree.

Excellent post, gretz. Thanks.

Your 'losing the labels' comment reminded me of earlier in the campaign when Obama was identified as 'a black/AA candidate' in much of news that you read. It made my wife and I wonder if we had black grandchildren since our son married a black woman.

We had never thought of the grandkids as black or white before that. Just adorable. But it made us think about their (9 & 6) futures when it was noted that 'Obama chose to identify with the black community'. We wondered if our gk's will have to "choose" a racial identity at some point in the future? I'd hope not.

It also made me wonder about who our daughter-in-law was supporting in the primaries since we don't talk politics when we get together. I wondered if she supported Obama because she's black? Or Clinton because she's a woman? Or McCain because she's an MD and I hear that pays well.

I hope she voted for whoever she thought was the best candidate and I don't really care who that was.

Appreciate the post and heads up. Just put one up earlier today with that in mind.

As we can see with what is going on by the Dem leadership, with their pivoting towards coalescing around Obama and honing the sites on the GE, we as a Party are on our way. The TPM community is doing the same, in our own way. thx.


This is an amazing moment. And you are correct, in encouraging a good chunk of us in the TPM community to chill and take this all in for what an Obama candidacy, campaign, message and YES nomination represents for us all.

The historical significance is truly amazing. This alone should not be lost on us, and I don't think it is. Once again, thanks for the reminder to celebrate this rather than getting easily caught up in silly recriminations.

Many were so very angry about the all Hillary all the time coverage, especaslly Tuesday night. It was beyond the pale, still hard to believe.The media allowed it to happen. I heard one person remind who had just won. Nevertheless today the news is finally about where it should be & Barack is gaining more respect with everything being said.

Most important is for the bashing of all democrats to stop. What possible purpose could it have now? You have written an absolutely great post, hope as many as possible read it & then reread it. Thank you so very much.

Please excuse misspell of especially.

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