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Where does "healing" begin?


I’d like to quote this from Mark Kleiman’s blog:

<blockquote>It should, but probably doesn’t, go without saying that from now through November 5 Obama supporters should say as many nice things as they can about HRC and her supporters, and no not-nice things whatever. The healing has to start with us, and it has to start right now. </blockquote>

Makes sense to me.


This election is about US.  It is about the future of our country.  It is not about Clinton or Obama or McCain.  It is about YOU.  It is about me.  It's about your children, your family, your friends, your lifestyle.

What does McCain bring to the table?

- reversal of Roe V. Wade.
- continued tax breaks for the uber wealthy (which includes him with Cindy’s $100 mil)
- no equal pay for women
- no worker’s rights
- war for decades
- more lies in government
- more secrecy (like those medical records; 2 pm Friday, one hour to review, no notes)
- no forward movement on healthcare
- privatized social security
- Medicare?
- prescription drugs?

Is this what you want?  Is this what our country needs?

I started with Mark's quote and I will end with it.

<blockquote>It should, but probably doesn’t, go without saying that from now through November 5 Obama supporters should say as many nice things as they can about HRC and her supporters, and no not-nice things whatever. The healing has to start with us, and it has to start right now. </blockquote>

Think about that when you start discussions about Clinton or Obama. 

McCain is the 600 pound (year old) gorilla in the room.



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Yep, Mc/Geezer/Grumpy/Senile/Illiterate's the 600 pound steaming pile, hoping to take over the White House, kind of like a fecund remake of "The Blob". How about "McBlob"?

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Yes, but forgive me for privately grousing that it feels wrong to be held hostage to resentful Clinton voters. Their main complaint is they lost, somehow. I find it more appealing to simply not discuss Clinton at all.

It is generally true that the victor in a struggle is in a better to be gracious to the vanquished. Obama has consistently been gracious to Hillary in the past few days and even earlier in the campaign when she was throwing the "kitchen sink" at him. I don't think there will be too many Obama supporters who are ready to sing her praises, but I think as "surrogates" of the winner, they can begin to cut back on the negative tone against Hillary.

Simply put, if you want your man Obama to win the election, you need the votes of Hillary's supporters, so dialing back on the heat makes sense.

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I got an email from MoveOn this morning asking for my opinions on where they should put their efforts until the general election, and I told them something along these lines, MsJoanne.

But I took a slightly different approach. It's important to point out the negatives that McCain brings with him, but I think it's also important to put this upcoming presidency in terms of a Democratic presidency rather than an Obama presidency. I suggested staying away from "Obama branding."

That said, the biggest thing that has to happen is that Clinton herself must, must, must give Obama unequivocal support. And she'd better get out there and campaign as hard for him as she did for herself.

She's got a lot of damage to undo, and I'm not sure she's going to want to do that. For the same reasons that I think it would be a disaster to have her as a vice president—not for purposes of the campaign, but for the time in office—I think she's going to have to be pushed by her colleagues to set her own ambitions aside. She's not cut out for a subordinate role, I believe, and I think that there'd be a constant power struggle if she were vice president.

But if she truly believes the things she has been saying all these months about what this country needs, she'd better do her damndest to make sure that the Democratic nominee makes it into the White House.

But if she's not sincere, no amount of placating, coddling, or threats about a world with McCain as president will get some of her more zealous supporters to vote for Obama.

You're right.

Additionally, there are those who will, under no circumstances, vote for Obama because of something that was said (to be fair, there are some Obama people who would go the same way vis a vis Clinton).

I hope that she does step up to that plate. I always held her in pretty high regard (until the less than fantastic campaigning), but that said, I would love to see her on the SCOTUS or as an influence to national policy.

We could do a whole hell of a lot worse, to be sure.

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Honestly, I was somewhat agreeing with you. Clinton does need to support Obama and make sure he wins, but then you said "she has a lot of damage to undo" and just threw away your credibility.

I don't know what it is about you all in the Obama campaign that think he's too weak, fragile and tender to withstand a real campaign. But you better get over it. He's in a real campaign now and if you starting crying and mewling over every little knock and criticism, you will cost him the election.

There has been a hyper-sensitivity on the part of the Obama campaign and its supporters. Once upon a time, campaigns issued policy statements that addressed issues facing Americans, now they send out emails with the daily outrage. No campaign is innocent of that, but the Obama campaign gets the trophy for hypocrisy on this issue. They sent out their missives with their daily oppo outrage and then cried poor me.

I guess Obama's campaign and supporters think a fair and honest campaign where only Obama gets to walk and talk and campaign and the other candidates are supposed to smile when he gives permission.

Either that or you're too young or have sat out too many elections and have no idea what political campaigning is. Obama has been hard hitting and attacked Clinton as any serious candidate who wants the job should do. But damn, I really resent the idea that she is not allowed to be hard-hitting too. I don't know whether this comes from some sort of paternalistic racism that leads people to treat Obama as a pet, not a person, so they must defend him or from sexism and the sexist double standards, but I only know that this is unique.

Elections in the past have been far far rougher than this and the general will be much rougher as well. It's time Obama's supporters grew up and acted like they and he are adults.

An alternate take on it:

For myself, it's not really a fear for Obama, as much as a reaction to 12 years of Fox/Coulter/Rush. It stands to reason the platform he espouses would attract the type of person who has a deep-seated case of Fox Derangement Syndrome. I certainly do.

There was a massive brouhaha amongst his supporters when he agreed to the Chris Wallace interview, and Wallace *barely* qualifies as a Fox person.

The Right has been labeling us for a decade (godless liberals) and so any identity-based attack immediately "smells like" Fox. The backlash is usually strong (major understatement), which is probably why Newt Gingrich advised against the GOP using those tactics.

As with much else about this campaign, it's not really about Obama - he's simply the catalyst for what's been building these past years.

Elections in the past have been far far rougher than this and the general will be much rougher as well. It's time Obama's supporters grew up and acted like they and he are adults.

Oregon Activist, did you ever consider that maybe it is the Clinton supporters who should grow up? It is my view that they are the ones who acted like a bunch of adolescent bullies.

The message from America this year is that Americans, both Republican and Democrat, want change. Every poll gives the same message. Both parties rejected their so called politically destined candidates. The Republicans scrapped Giuliani and now the Democrats have passed on Clinton. The same old attack and smear just isn't cutting the mustard this year. (Too many years of being Bushed.) Geraldine Ferraro's actions alone were enough to sour millions of Americans* on Hillary.

Are you ready to send Gerry a Thank You card?

pv2k

* I was one of those millions.

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Well, if Gerry's actions upset you so much, why don't Pfleger's?

Does Pfleger represent the Democrat party? No.

Does Ferraro represent the Democrat party? Yes.

There is a little difference there.

pv2k, I agree with you.

Sorry for what is about to come here. It bugs me and I have to say something.

Please take note that it is not the Democrat party. It is the Democratic party. Using Democrat party is a right wing smear. They know it's inaccurate and improper but they don't give a shit.

Lieberman said it today and you know how much respect he has for Dems.

We don't call it the Republic party. We are Democrats or part of the Democratic party.

Sorry for the English lesson but that's usually a tell that someone is a Rush listener and a troll.

I believe we all need to contact Speaker Pelosi and others about the following (I already have). HRC MUST get in front of this:

Clyburn: Clinton Supporters Flood Office With Hate Calls
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, June 4, 2008

An angry and upset Rep. James Clyburn said Wednesday that his office has been deluged with nasty phone calls with racial overtones since his endorsement of Barack Obama a day earlier.

Clyburn told FOX News Radio’s “Brian and the Judge” that the callers identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters. Clyburn, an African-American and the third ranking House Democrat, said a white intern in his office was so upset by the calls that she had to be consoled by other workers and left the office early.

“We got more vitriolic, nasty phone calls, really racially tinged phone calls in my congressional office, so much so, until one of the interns, a young lady who is not a stranger to politics … and she is not a black person, she left the office, had to be consoled because of the kinds of phone calls from people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters,” he said.

Clyburn said some of the callers used “names that I would not repeat on this show today.”

“I was absolutely shocked, could not believe that this happened. I could understand people saying, ‘Why are you doing this or why would you not support Hillary Clinton?’ but to call me the kinds of names I have not heard since the ’40s and ’50s,” he said.

Clyburn said some of the callers threatened to “sabotage this election.” He added that he does not think Clinton understands her role in unifying the party.

“I’ve got a call in to Bob Johnson, a good buddy of mine, he’s a big supporter of Hillary Clinton, he’s now pushing for her to be on the ticket as VP. And I’m gonna tell him today they’d better really raise their voices because this kind of stuff is lethal,” Clyburn said.

The House majority whip later told FOX News that the nomination of a black man as a major party presidential candidate demonstrates the distance the United States has come in a short term.

“I think historically it means in the 60th year since Strom Thurmond walked out of the party on the issue of race, our party has decided that it’s time to turn the page on that issue in society,” he said referring to the late Dixiecrat turned Republican senator who was later discovered to have fathered a child with a black woman who worked as the family maid.

But Clyburn tempered his enthusiasm for Obama’s nomination, saying that there “are always pockets in this country of people who cannot find it in themselves to grow up. And to the extent which people fail to mature, we’ll still have some work to do.”

Hopefully, we will see this from the Clinton side on Saturday.

But, anyone who was (or never was) a Clinton supporter needs to be more aware of the feelings of those who still are. I don't think we just want those votes, we need many of them...as many as we can get.

If we can all step back and think about how we might have felt if our candidate didn't get the nod (as many of us have already - Obama wasn't my first choice, and I am from IL, I was heavily leaning towards Edwards).

And then intensify that by whatever historic you want; Hillary is a woman, she's a Clinton, you truly think she is the best candidate, whatever reason that supporter supported her, we need to be more aware of the feelings there.

That's the point of my original post.

I hope the healing starts from Senator Clinton. But Obama supporters can take it that much farther.

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This is where Hillary's refusal to deal quickly with the situation has caused serious problems for the Party. She's making this way too much about Hillary and being way too self-indulgent. She claims she needed time to come to terms with her loss. She's had that. It's been clear for weeks that she had little chance of winning. She should have been ready on Tuesday to step down and hand the night and the victory to Obama.

I'm quickly running out of excuses for her. I wanted her to be so much better than she's been.

I am so with you there.

For years I admired her. I truly expected that she would have my vote should she choose to run. She did and I just couldn't abide by the campaign she ran. I'm sorry, it was a turn-off. A complete and total turn off.

And I was more drawn to Edwards never ending work for those who are not Have's.

I hope that Obama lives up to what we hope and pray for and expect.

And god help us all...I hope he lives. He is bucking so many right now, at all levels: lobbyists, mega corps, you all know what I am saying. I am having flashbacks. And it scares me.

I don't mind the lesson. Actually up here in Minnesota we have the DFL anyhow so I don't worry about that much. At any case I never listen to Rush.

Thanks! I didn't want you to think I was picking on you. :-)

I am so with you there.

For years I admired her. I truly expected that she would have my vote should she choose to run. She did and I just couldn't abide by the campaign she ran. I'm sorry, it was a turn-off. A complete and total turn off.

And I was more drawn to Edwards never ending work for those who are not Have's.

I hope that Obama lives up to what we hope and pray for and expect.

And god help us all...I hope he lives. He is bucking so many right now, at all levels: lobbyists, mega corps, you all know what I am saying. I am having flashbacks. And it scares me.

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