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ABC News - Editing Away Dissent


I spent this morning trying to register my frustration with Jake Tapper's piece on the ABC News blog.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/did-obama-accus.html

Every time I posted it was deleted shortly thereafter.  I posted comments such as:
Obama did not use the words "racist" or "xenophobic", you did!

and

Does Jake Tapper take money from the McCain campaign?

When you state it as a question it makes it almost true!

Be a reporter not a conveyor of political talking points.

I also noticed that many of the comments supporting Obama and pointing out the hypocrisy of the piece were also being deleted.  Anyone reading the user comments could be led to believe that the concensus out there is pro-McCain.

The sinister thing here to me is the editing or deleting of dissent from readers.  Is this ABC News trying to protect itself from being revealed for its shabby MSM methods, or is it Jake Tapper trying to con readers in to thinking the prevailing opinion is pro-McCain?

Have others experienced this kind of stuff?


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Have you sent any mentions of this to other media outlets or commentators? Screengrabs might be useful as well, you know...

He absolutely should! I have posted a comment myself and will wait to see what its fate is...

I have not sent this on to other outlets. I do have a screen grab of one of my comments, how would I post that to this site?

Sorry, these links were supposed to be in there: http://www.flickr.com & http://www.blogger.com. If they had a real blogging tool here, we wouldn't need to go elsewhere and they would get more ad revenue.

Hint, hint, Josh.

I bet you get Blogger to let you integrate their software and maintain your look and feel. They are very good about open API architecture for customization by business users.

Thanks JasonEverettMiller. Here is one screen grab showing my comment which 2mins later was deleted.

http://mainstreammediamurderer.blogspot.com/2008/07/abc-news-editing-away-dissent.html

I wrote:

"Obama said this then McCain said that then Obama said this can you believe it?

Jake, which are you, a gossip columnist or a senior national news correspondent?"

It got me thinking. I'd like the following people to ask "is it news or is it gossip?" and "Should I verify that this isn't just hearsay, or something taken out of context BEFORE I write or broadcast?
-Andrea Mitchell
-Dana Milbank
-Jake Tapper
-Bill Kristol
-Charles Krauthammer
-Jonathan Weisman
-Harold Ford Jr.
-Joe Scarborough
-Pat Buchanaan
-Wolf Blitzer

I'd also like all the cable news channels to ask:

"How many times a day should we run the same attack ad in its entirety as news, not commercial air time, before we're the ones guilty of damaging a candidate's reputation?"

"Are we just repeating what everyone else gossips about or are we journalists?"

"On issues, such as drilling for oil in ANWR, should we just have politicians from both sides recite talking points or should we look into an issue on our own and report facts neither side mentions?"


I think you're right about ABC subjectively editing the comments.

This begs the question, WHAT ARE THE RULES FOR BEING DELETED? It sure seems pretty one sided. And this isn't the first time, http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/couple-things.html

It seems as though the McCain campaign has hit on a real winner with the "controversial" ad. The MSM seems happy to broadcast for free any of his ads all day long, as long as there is some controversy in the ad or a manafactured controversial response to it.

Its actually genius, evil genius.

If anyone is keeping score, I posted a response highlighting McCain's use of derogatory terms "gook" and "tarbaby" and it was gone within 15 minutes.

I posted at ABC and also wrote directly to their editors. I got a form email response from the editors. I would be surprised if my comment on the Tapper piece remained. Let me know if you see it.

Geez, I put up a couple of posts and they didn't last 5 minutes (they must have posted a couple of interns to watch the site), but the following has been up for a bit:

All I need to know is that Obama hung around ant-semite racists for twenty years. Not twenty seconds which would still be too long.
Does he have a conscience?
Padre Pio, was a very holy man and a great mystic. Every time I think I’ve read about every book I written on the man come across another one. In this particular book on him which I was looking at recently, there was a person who told a story about going to him for confession. He told about Padre Pio becoming very angry at him for voting for a socialist. Later he went back to him for confession and told him that this time he did not vote for the socialist but he couldn't bring himself to vote for other candidate either, Again Padre Pio became very angry at him
and would not grant him absolution(forgiveness of sin) From this we have to conclude
that Padre Pio considered it a sin for someone to vote for a socialist and also to opt for not voting
at all either. Another story I read about him in another book was when he went up
to a person he didn't know and had never met and confronted him about being
a communist. In other words, to Padre Pio, a person’s salvation was not exclusionary from
one’s political considerations and what political party you belonged to or voted for (if the moral positions of such contradicted Christian teaching) could put your soul in jeopardy. And what about being an accessory to another’s sin? If a politician has made clear his pro-abortion position and I vote for him and once he gets into office he carries through with his philosophy am I not guilty of aiding and abetting?

(The name of the book from which I got the Padre Pio story was "Stories of Padre Pio" by Katharina Tangari published by TAN books,Rockford Illinois translated from the Italian "Il Messaggio di Padre Pio". Madame Tagari knw Padre Pio for many, many years and was a "spiritual daughter" of him.
We will have to ANWER TO GOD for our decisions people.

This is seriously troubling.


What worries me is if other news sites start following suit?


Most sites already have moderated comments, political new and corporate new sites alike. TPM is a rarity in that respect.

If you upload the pictures to www.photobucket.com others can use them, too. Photobucket makes it very easy to plug pictures into blogs.

Definitely do screen captures.

And remember that on Tapper's blog, the comments are newest to oldest so make sure you capture the time stamps, too.

Or edit the comments into a video and post on YouTube. Put music and a voice-over and intercut Tapper's smug face.

YES! I have been following that article since it was first written last night - and had seen at least 50 comments censored. AT LEAST! I should've been saving screen shots because there were some beautiful posts that displayed why Mr. Tapper's article was just flat wrong. I authored another post later, asking what the requirements were for the censorship, and WHO was doing the censoring...it was deleted. Mind you, the comments I wrote and the majority that I saw deleted were not slanderous or containing swear words - they merely dissented. Hmmm. NOT GOOD ABC! Lets blow this thing up.
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This was about the fifth thing I wrote, which also got deleted, btw - click on the "contact us" link at the far bottom of the page of Mr Tappers article and TELL ABC this is a bunch of bunk (both the article and the censorship creating a one sided argument):

Make sure you save your comments, to repost them once deleted.

The author of this article seems to have lost it. He is bound and determined to "catch" Obama doing something. Read another journalist's sound interpretation.


read this:

mediamatters dot org

/columns/200804080001

What strikes me about the comments about Tapper is that fact that you bloggers refuse to accept the power you have to change all of this. Further, you have not noticed that the whole blogging experience has altered the entire electronic communication (read news distribution industry) of this country. You are now in a position to alter Tapper's bias and his stations abuse of their sacred trust by editing out unacceptable comments. Take your indignation to the higher level of direct action. Organize like minded people. Target the sponsors. Saturate the airways with the truth of this abuse. Communicate with the ill informed so that they know they are being manipulated by these highly thought of operatives. IT IS TIME TO ORGANIZE NOT SIMPLY COMPLAIN!

Some of us are working on just such a group. We're currently calling it the Sudden Citizens' Action Against Media Distortion, or SCAAMD. If you're interested, just search TPM for "SCAAMD".

It's also a good idea to take it out of the blog world. Here's a link:

http://www.poynter.org/contact/

...to the contact page at the Poynter Institute - an online (and 3-D space) journalism center. This is a way to get it out of merely sending a note to ABC (If they censor their own pages, why do you think they'd take a complaint about it seriously?) and into the wider sphere of journalism. Here's another:

http://www.cjr.org/

...which leads to the Columbia Journalism Review.

The idea is to get it discussed out in the open, not just send an LTE to ABC, which may make you feel better, but won't really accomplish much. Media Matters is good too, as are various other "inside journalism" forum-type sites. Olbermann is good, too, just don't rely on him to do all our heavy lifting.

ABC will do nothing if unless they feel they have to. Embarrassment is a good lever.

I tried posting under Tapper John's post entitled "Liberal blogger says Britney Ad Implies Obama Has a "Taste for Young White Women"...and he deleted it.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/prominent-liber.html

Here's Tapper John's story:

"I note with interest today, John McCain's new tactic of associating Barack Obama with oversexed and/or promiscuous young white women," writes liberal blogger Josh Marshall. "Presumably, a la Harold Ford 2006, this will be one of those strategies that will be a matter of deep dispute during the campaign and later treated as transparent and obvious once the campaign is concluded."

Continues Marshall: "the McCain campaign is now pushing the caricature of Obama as a uppity young black man whose presumptuousness is displayed not only in taking on airs above his station but also in a taste for young white women."

Others pushing this meme note that the notorious Harold Ford ad -- which featured an attractive young white woman looking at the camera and asking Ford to call her -- was put together by a group once headed by Terry Nelson, who was McCain's campaign manager for a time, though he left in the Summer 2007 purge.

The McCain campaign says that Nelson had nothing to do with this Britney/Paris ad, that it was put together by their normal team of Mike Hudome, Fred Davis, and Chris Mottolla.

And they say this interpretation is "ridiculous."

What say you?

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My comment said:

"Jake, Josh is right, as usual. You couple Paris and Brittany, two-oversexed white women in this ignorant ad, with the coded line that the GOP, McGrumpy, his supporters (ala Rove), and the punditocracy are pushing that Sen. Obama is an uppity N**** who doesn't know his place = BS. All of this crap is a concerted effort to tell white folks that Obama is an uppity N**** who will take our white women! Hell, you even added to the uppity N**** meme yesterday on Ed Schultz's show when you had the audacity to say that you would "admit that Clinton, Gore, and Bush are arrogant, but Sen. Obama displays a sort of arrogance that's unprecedented and that I have never seen before." (or words very closely to that effect). What does that mean? What has Sen. Obama done that is so arrogant? Called himself President? Give a speech on what the world would look like after his "first term"? Give weekly radio address as if he were President? Hand out press packets that have covers that are almost the same as the ones the White House hands out? Oh, wait a minute. That was John McCain. Who has called him arrogant, presumptuous, or cocky? NOT YOU. NOT THE PUNDITOCRACY. NOT ONE DAMN PERSON. So, you'd better believe Josh has got it right!"


While I knew that Tapper John was firmly entrenched in HRC's campaign during the primaries, I thought that with ONLY McCain left, he would be more neutral. I was wrong! Instead, I should have known that Tapper John was the typical MSM reporter who reports the line that her company wants her to follow to help improve their sagging revenues by trying to keep this race close and not report the facts.

for more stories of Tappers lunacy

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8637.html#comment-642782

and as you read the comments, more tales of the sinister editing out inconveniant comments, I think we have a pattern folks.

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Batocchio said,

February 1, 2008 at 10:32

Yay! I got my comment at Tapper’s post deleted. Some other critical comments have also disappeared. And we didn’t even swear…

Looks like this is a tradition for Tapper and ABC
http://correntewire.com/jake_tapper_former_journalist

Don't feel bad...happens to me every time I post a comment on Little Jakey Tapper's "opinion" blog. When he wrote that IDIOTIC juvenile trash-piece about "smelling smoke" on Obama and how he LIED about quitting smoking, I must have posted 10 comments about it and each one was deleted within a few minutes.

It's par for the course at ABC.

I wouldn't even bother with that site, they've been bias this whole year, and especially that news blogger.

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When ABC ran the "Path to 9/11" the website at ABC accepting comments about the "docu-drama" had similar censorship. Comments were not posted.

As I recall, there was a statement that ABC retained the right to censor comments

Jake Tapper is a obnoxious idiot TOOL.

It's no wonder they have to censor out all the mockery and derision he attracts.

And ABC News has become a FoxLite rightwing sleaze newtwork of late. Sad and despicable.

Happens to me all the time over there. I don't use any profanity or call names. I just ridicule Jake. That's a bannin'.

I had 3 comments deleted yesterday and when I tried to post a 4th time, I got some kind of spam filtering notice that my comments had to be approved before being posted.

same thing happened to me. No Swearing, nothing offensive.

Makes you wonder who those "moderators" are and just what guidelines they go by. The article links above seem to reveal many others having these similar sentiments. That can't be a good thing for ABC.

Jaw dropping that he would actually write what he did in the first place, then say "correct me if I'm wrong" - then you do and they shut your mic off ala Bill O'Reilly. Very frusterating, especially when you know other people read the comments don't see much if any dissent and not realize that the MAJORITY of the comments already called him out.

Did anyone see McCain's original ad BTW, the one DEPICTING BARACK ON A DOLLAR BILL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTJDv4hevU

Saddens me most people don't realize whats really happening here and what they're trying to do to a good man. I already emailed the sponsors and told them I wouldn't be buying their products because of this!

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I'm not surprised. The MSM have their knives out for Obama, sad to say. Keep up the outrage, flood their sponsors, they won't listen to us but they'll listen to MONEY.

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I also notice that they have a number of pro McCain "regulars" who look like they spend all of their lives posting on ABC News, swamping the site and crowding out others.

Redbush,

i've notice the ABC pattern too. ABC news is trending toward an pro-McCain agenda. But you should do is get in contact with TPM, KOS and Moveon.org and start a grassroots efforts against ABC and other networks like the recent effort colorforchange and moveon made against FOX Noise.

I've contacted TPM and KOS, no response.

I have done some more screen grabs of more comments pre and post "zap" on the same thread. I may compile them in a brief vid.

Forget DKos and TPM. As I noted above, take it to CJR and Poynter - these are places the MSM journos go, and it can become a professional embarrassment for Tapper and ABC there, where here we're just talking to each other.

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