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Be Careful, You Just Might Get the No- Immunity You Ask For


I hate to be a killjoy before the dream of a no-immunity party even begins. However, we might succeed in having immunity dropped from the FISA legislation only to find we have overlooked even worse aspects of this legislation. The more I read about this issue, the more it appears the immunity problem may be doing double duty.  It serves as both a significant issue that does warrant attention, and as a distraction from other even more objectionable aspects of the FISA Amendment legislation that will expand government power to spy on U.S. citizens.

For those who haven't already read this, below is a really nice excerpt from a diary post at the Daily Kos. It was written by a former criminal defense attorney called "NCrissieB." Among other things,  NCrissieB specialized in litigating Fourth Amendment rights cases having to do with search and seizure, so his expertise is quite on point. NCrissieB's main argument is that the Patriot Act already did away with our Fourth Amendment rights.

Perhaps he is even right  when he says that the immunity issue " is not the hill to die on," with respect to Obama. However, there is no time like the present for voters to send a message to all members of Congress that we not only expect them to nix immunity and refrain from creating any more unconstitutional laws, but we also expect them to amend any questionable laws that already exist.

The more laws on the books that degrade the same constitutional rights, the less powerful the argument that they are unconstitutional will be in the future. This is especially true with some of the Supreme Court members we've got today.  So better to pay attention to this now.

It is understandable that to we failed to fully safeguard our democracy in the aftermath of 9-11 when the Patriot Act went through. We can still demonstrate to our lawmakers in Congress that now we are paying much closer attention to the laws they propose-- and especially any loopy parts that erode our Constitutional rights.

You can read NCrissieB's whole post here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/26/62819/0991/926/542170   
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NCRISSIEB's TAKE ON CURRENT STATE OF Y|OUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS:

Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:46:30 AM PDT

Your telephone number pops up several times on the call list of someone the FBI believe is involved with Al Qaeda.  The FBI go to the FISC, and ask for a warrant to wiretap your telephone.  The wiretap reveals nothing about terrorism - turns out they were wrong number calls - but the FBI do hear you talking about who will bring the weed to your backyard barbeque.

Based on that, the FBI get a warrant to raid your home on the day of the barbeque, and in they swoop, charging you with possession with intent to distribute.  That's a felony.

"What gives you the right to storm into my back yard?" you ask.  The FBI agent presents you with the warrant, and its affidavit, and you see that they've been wiretapping you.  "What gives you the right to spy on my phone calls?" you demand.

"We have a FISA warrant," the agent answers.  And off you go to trial.

At trial, your attorney moves to exclude the search warrant that let them into your backyard, on grounds that you're not a terrorist, there is no conceivable evidence to suggest otherwise, thus no FISA warrant should have been issued, thus the wiretap is illegal, and all information gained from it is "fruit of the poisoned tree."  But there's a problem:

Not even your trial judge can see the FISA affidavit.  It is classified, "sources and methods" information.  The prosecutor can show the judge that a FISA warrant was indeed issued, but that's as far as it goes.

Because you can't see the factual allegations underlying the FISA warrant - not even the trial judge can see that - you cannot challenge the validity of that warrant.  It's not reviewable.  Not at trial.  Not on appeal.  Not ever.

Which means they could have said anything they wanted.  They could have had only the flimsiest pretext of probable cause.  They could even have lied outright.  You'll never know, so you can't challenge it.

Oh, and the FISC has refused fewer than five of the tens of thousands of warrant requests submitted, in the past 19 years.  The FISC is, quite literally, a rubber-stamp court.

This is the "protection" offered by FISA.  This is the "constitutional safeguard" so many of you are so up in arms to preserve.  It is no safeguard at all.

Your constitutional rights exist only so long as you or your lawyer can challenge their violation in court.  If FISA is the last bastion of the Fourth Amendment, the Fourth Amendment is already a dead letter.

In terms of constitutional safeguards, the current FISA bill is a non-issue.  Yes, it allows telecoms to raise "color of law" immunity as an affirmative, threshhold defense.  And yes, that means the telecoms very likely will never be held to account for violations of FISA.  But the secrecy of FISA warrants themselves voids the Fourth Amendment, if information gained from those warrants can be used in a criminal trial.

I'm convinced that Barack Obama recognizes this.  I'm sure he recognizes that this bill is a classic political bait-and-switch, wrapping telecom immunity in the mantle of "safeguarding our constitutional rights," when in fact those rights are already voided by use of secret, non-reviewable FISA warrants to gather information for criminal cases.  I'm sure Barack Obama realizes that this petty knoll is not "the hill to die on."

"The hill to die on" is the USAPA's breaking down the wall of separation between intelligence-gathering and criminal investigation.  And that is not even at issue yet.  We'll need a Democratic president, and at least 60 Democratic senators, to fight that battle.

So please, folks, let's keep this bill in context.  If you're counting on FISA to safeguard your Fourth Amendment rights ... they're already gone.

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(Excuse the lines. The block quotes haven't been working for me.)

I have a few more user-friendly documents about  FISA that I hope to post soon.

Have a great 4th! Don't drink and drive.

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I agree. I don't think this update should pass, even without immunity. FISA doesn't need to be updated, especially not under a lameduck president and by this congress. The whole issue should wait until after the election and any FISA update should curtail, not expand, the government's surveillance powers.

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Yes. It really seems really foolish to rush to "correct" one mistake with another one. I don't even want to know why so many from both sides of the isle in our corporate Congress are going for this. It is as though they are rushing to use the last seconds of the Bush presidency to pass this because they fear another president would pull out the veto.

The dismal conclusion I have to draw is that a majority in Congress are for a law that will likely cover up massive corporate and government abuse of the rights of citizens and enable even greater abuse in the future.

I could see a legitimate hurry if this legislation RESTRICTED government surveillance powers as much as possible without jeapordizing the need to gather foreign intelligence.

I can only conclude that those with control over most of our government representatives from both sides of the isle want their agents in the executive branch to have this power at the expense of our rights and the strength of our democracy.

That there is essentially no review process in granting these warrants is the real issues (as you say):

"FISC has refused fewer than five of the tens of thousands of warrant requests submitted, in the past 19 years. The FISC is, quite literally, a rubber-stamp court."

Denying immunity will, at best, turn out to be the Trojan Horse that tramples citizen privacy. The real debate that we should be having is about the criteria, process and accountability of FISC's granting of warrants.

Given the will, we surely have the ability to expand surveillance of the bad guys, while simultaneously protecting against the abuses that inevitably will come along with that ability.

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Let's keep one very important point in mind: we were lied to. The Patriot Act had a sunset clause, and it should have expired long ago. And Democrats and Republicans alike has conspired to keep that very, very bad piece of legislation alive instead of allowing it to die as it should have.

But let's keep one other point in mind as well: if there is ever another successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil, the Patriot Act will look like the Fourth Amendment in comparison to any new legislation the bastards will come up with. The Patriot Act sucks. So does FISA. But things could be far, far worse. And if we're ever attacked again, things will be far, far worse. The goal is always balance. So let's hope Obama is right. Let's hope FISA works and that our government is never given a reason to take away even more of our rights in order to protect us from our enemies.

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I think they would pass a law to would ensure we have some idea who and what comes through our borders and ports. And I think they'd do something about all the other problems that have made us so weak.

I look at the list of problems and challenges we face (renewable energy, education, healthcare, Medicare, Federal Emergency Management, overstretched military, housing crisis, food, import and border security, etc.). And it seems we are teetering on a cliff that overshadows the threat of terrorism. If we're in this sort of shape and an attack happens, we are in much bigger trouble than we'd be in if an attack occurred when the country was strong.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
---James Madison

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Whoaah...one martini is all it takes for me. That was half done. Here's the rest:

Why have an act that sucks at all? Why accept that low a standard? It's not rocket science for the government to come up with rules that both protects the rights of Americans and enable the executive branch to spy on foreign agents. If they need our guidance and watchful eye, so be it.

Why can't it be that if we are ever attacked again, we will be smarter and ensure that our rights are still protected?

I don't even think the most dangerous and smart terrorists will communicate in ways that can be intercepted. The ones we need to worry about are highly educated and know exactly what they are doing. Perhaps Congress should first put its concern about terrorism toward a law that ensures we know what comes into our borders and ports, and strengthening our country as a whole. Why this need to rush through a controversial law that expands government power to spy on Americans without adequate review?


Notice the overwhelming support you've received on this essay from the liberals here at DLC, er, I mean TPM.

Thank you for this essay, BTW. Well stated and urgently germane.

The FISA bill should be killed.

Imagine the two of us agreeing about something.

I know! Behold: Unity. ;-)

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Many see telecom lawsuits as perhaps the last real chance at uncovering the illegal spying program and at least trying to maintain the rule of law. The lawsuits may not do this and may not go anywhere even without immunity but there is no reason for the Dems (that we know of) to capitulate on this and probably let the whole list of abuses from this administration go unaccounted for, without renunciation and without future safeguards put in place. Checks and balances in the federal government have been distorted to a dangerous degree as this “fight” shows. If the abuses that have resulted from that remain secret, oversight will not be restored and no matter who is president further erosion will follow.

Yes, FISA is weak but at least it would seem to prevent the wholesale data mining, which may be a part of a massive spying program. We don’t know what was done. Judging from the administration’s fight for immunity and what has leaked out (and stories like the revolt at the DoJ and attempting to get Ashcroft in the hospital to sanction it), some very egregious crimes have been committed. If they were just minor crossing of the line to suss out terrorists and done in good faith, no one will be hung. Juries and Congressional or DoJ prosecutors will be very forgiving under those circumstances.

Also, many believe that immunity is the administration’s real goal with this bill. Yes, they want expanded illegal spying since the PAA expired, but without immunity they wouldn’t be fighting with everything they have to get this passed. They're asking Congress and the American people once again to just trust us; we're only trying to get bin Laden. Do you trust them? This is just one aspect of the unitary executive that has usurped unheard of powers and continues to do so. If we don't get some of it into court and out in the open, we'll be accepting this surveillance state and giving up those freedoms the terrorist devils hate us for.

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No doubt the data mining could be "contracted out" to a favored sector, as well. Like, DOH! The telecoms.

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We all know they'd never, ever, think about SELLING that information.

Right?

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