Hillary Clinton Should Take Her Name Out Of The Hat Now
Hillary Clinton should remove her name from the list of possible VP candidates now. There is nothing to be gained by leaving her name in contention.
Although adding Mrs. Clinton to the ticket would guarantee Party unity and an overwhelming Democratic victory in November, Mr. Obama certainly can win without her.
He can raise enough money to outspend Mr. McCain on advertising and organization across the country, and he puts enough states in play to win, even without her help in Florida, Ohio and Arkansas.
But winning the Presidency isn't the only issue, and it may not be the most important one. It is time to pass the torch to a new generation of Democratic politicians and voters. It is time for new leadership. There have been many signs that the time has come for the old guard to get out of the way of the new Democratic coalition Mr. Obama has built. The Reverend Jesse Jackson incident is only the latest sign.
Mrs. Clinton, like Mr. McCain, could never hope to be more than a reformer. The revolution she sought to continue has run its course. It's time to try something new, to redefine the revolution in 21st Century terms, even if the new revolution turns out to be as flawed as the old one was.
It's not so much that the next generation has a better chance to succeed. It's more that it's their turn to try.
Although adding Mrs. Clinton to the ticket would guarantee Party unity and an overwhelming Democratic victory in November, Mr. Obama certainly can win without her.
He can raise enough money to outspend Mr. McCain on advertising and organization across the country, and he puts enough states in play to win, even without her help in Florida, Ohio and Arkansas.
But winning the Presidency isn't the only issue, and it may not be the most important one. It is time to pass the torch to a new generation of Democratic politicians and voters. It is time for new leadership. There have been many signs that the time has come for the old guard to get out of the way of the new Democratic coalition Mr. Obama has built. The Reverend Jesse Jackson incident is only the latest sign.
Mrs. Clinton, like Mr. McCain, could never hope to be more than a reformer. The revolution she sought to continue has run its course. It's time to try something new, to redefine the revolution in 21st Century terms, even if the new revolution turns out to be as flawed as the old one was.
It's not so much that the next generation has a better chance to succeed. It's more that it's their turn to try.
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This post reminds me of the Venus flytrap. So pretty, so inviting....
July 17, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jedi mind tricks? Bad Billy!
July 17, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll take the risk, Dorn 76, as I hear conviction in "it's their turn to try." Thank you, Mr. Glad. As a significant and influential figure here, your opinion on this matter, matters.
July 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rec'd, but what gives?
July 17, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you and what have you done with Billy? :)
July 17, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROTFL, seriously. I think it was the cumulative effect of all the comments I read down to this point, so you can all take credit.
July 17, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously!
July 17, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fail to see how Obama is any different than Clinton in this respect. Plus...look at the other names Obama is supposedly considering for the VP slot: Bayh? Nunn? Dodd? Why should Clinton 'get out of the way' for them?
July 17, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
This one leaves me speechless.
I'm holding my rec until I find out if this is some fiendish trick. (In which case, the sheer creativity of the trick will probably earn the rec anyway.)
July 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I still say this is some sort of truly devious plot. But I gotta give up the love to a post like this, no matter whether it's real or not.
My first Billy Glad rec. Wonder if it'll become a habit.
July 17, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't tell whether you are smiling or winking under that broad-brimmed hat. I've been an Obama supporter since the beginning of this primary, but I'm not sure I want to see Hillary Clinton off the stage yet. In May, I was troubled by that idea, but in the absence of any "perfect" VP candidate, she's gotten higher and higher on my list. I like her much better than Nunn and Bayh, and unlike Senator McGaff, she's not prone to mistakes. My only concern is that husband of her's . . .
July 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa. What's up with this?
This is similar to the "Anyone but McCain" post a couple of months (weeks?) ago. Thanks, Billy Glad.
I don't have that big of a problem with Hillary Clinton being on the ticket. I think she's a tough campaigner who might make a good vice-president. My bigger problem is with Bill Clinton, and the fact that the media would obsessed with Bill, Hillary, their marriage and how Obama fits into all of that.
July 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bayh would be a really awful choice in my book. He's a representative of the misguided foreign policies that Obama has been, I assumed, trying to get beyond.
I still think Richardson is the guy that makes the most sense, assuming nothing to bad turns up in the vetting.
July 17, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the x factor in this election is the latino vote, and Richardson can help with that, or someone else can help with that, it's a viable direction.
July 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Richardson, but there's already trouble for him in vetting with rumors of inappropriate lecherous comments to women - lots and lots of smoke, no fire. However, if nominated, I am sure some matches will be lit.
The idea of Nunn is infuriating and unbelievable. If there's anyone whose on the shelf way past his sell-by date, it's that self-righteous stick.
Why not Edwards?
July 18, 2008 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jedi.....? Yes. Once offered what some/many have clamoured for, 5 minutes pause should help us realize what would be LOST in such a move. Because note: Billy is offering not just HRC's removal, but that of an entire generation. Not necessarily their votes - those will be offered - but what they have learned, created, become.
So. Is there anything to be learned from the generation that rose from the slimmest of roots in the 60's? Which created or at least massively multiplied entire movements? which slowly, with great loss of blood, time, money/power/fame and life - slowly created a world where we have this opportunity today?
I dislike Hillary - and that's as polite as I can be. But. Let your mind move ahead, one, two, three moves on the Campaign Chessboard. Bringing her, some of that generation of reformers, some of their reforms, and that wider generation's experience, on-board... well, to me, it is the most obvious of next moves.
July 17, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, quinn. I knew there was something bothering me about this post, but I couldn't identify what it was... You put your finger on it.
I don't think there's any reason generational transition needs to be so ... absolute. I want "my turn," of course, but my turn means nothing if I can't figure it out in the context of history. And I hope the same goes for the rest of my "generation." Then again, I'm not sure whose "turn" it's supposed to be, anyway. Mine? People closer to Obama's age? Millenials?
July 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure who's turn it's supposed to be either, but I'm going to go ahead an rule out the Millennials.
July 17, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno, I have 2 of them and they're already demanding the world, and now. Seems they're ready.
July 18, 2008 2:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
They'll inherit the earth, if they want it.
- Sorta Westerberg
July 18, 2008 2:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I mean they're already picking my pockets - there'll be nothing left to inherit, they'll be sure of that.
July 18, 2008 2:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dr. Quinn recommends random, savage beatings.
For the parents.
July 18, 2008 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zappa said it best - "when your children find out how lame you are, they'll kill you in your sleep". I'm doing my best to hide it, but if I don't show up to blog one day, you'll know what happened.
July 18, 2008 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hire a nanny.
She can sleep for ya. You gettin' soft?
July 18, 2008 3:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I weren't soft she could sleep with me.
July 18, 2008 3:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Point, Des.
July 18, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your serve.
July 18, 2008 3:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, you two are quick. I don't bother to hit refresh, 'cause it's late, and leave my reply sitting around for a while before sending.... and then I see the boat's all way across the river picking up new passengers.
July 18, 2008 3:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a decoy - we're actually running rum up the river to Bay St. Louis.
July 18, 2008 3:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Paige break.
July 18, 2008 3:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bing Bing Bing! We have a WINNER!!!
July 18, 2008 3:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Darn, and I was hoping for a rum break.
July 18, 2008 3:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Happy hour's further down the page, search for "drink break".
July 18, 2008 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
And if they don't want it, they'll destroy it before they have a chance to inherit?
July 18, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! for all the media dissing the boomer generation, they haven't been this dismissive yet. Let's see, we had several "greatest" generation presidents, but are allowed only 2 boomers before they are supposed to get out of the way. That seems a bit harsh. Besides, overall, the generation immediately following the boomers is the most conservative and that generation has certainly been at the trough - Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed, Grover Norquist, all of them are from the post-boomer generation you think needs its turn.
July 18, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The new generation inherits it when they steal it, having it given is valueless. Kill your Buddha master on the road. There is no Obama revolution - that concept's well dead this last month - it's only been sleight of fundraising. Now we're just hoping for a victory and acceptable presidency. For that reason having Hillary still around is valuable - the devil you know.
July 17, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It still works then. Because Obama "stole" the nomination from Hillary, right?
July 17, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think his fans realize they were part of Grand Theft Auto - for them they're primarily witless accomplices methinks. But as for Obama, he's clever and gets all the credit for lining up the machine in his favor and reacting where he needed to. What the Lizza article says is that Obama mostly arranged it all himself (i.e. found the right backers, switched where he needed to), which seriously is a lot to his credit - he's not just a puppet for a machine like Truman.
The problem now is figuring out what Obama is, besides thoroughly opportunistic. Running for office stops at the Presidency (okay, there's the 2nd term, but...), so at that point he's no longer lining up the pins for the next big thing - what does he do then? What will be his actual policies come January, and how effective will he be in enacting things in a high stakes game? (Including how well he can keep Democratic legislators united for 4 or 8 years).
July 18, 2008 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Corcoran's post today had some Hofstadter on Lincoln. One quote:
As William H. Herndon put it, a man who was familiar with Lincoln and apparently adored him greatly, “Politics were his life, newspapers his food, and his great ambition his motive power…His ambition was a little engine that knew no rest.”
Who knows. Opportunism & ambition are necessarily part of the package - but likely not sufficient to the nation's needs.
July 18, 2008 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lincoln found his need/driving issue when war broke out just into his Presidency. Fortunate for him and us. Without it, he was fine waffling on slavery and other issues.
July 18, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't see any of the shit weren't debating now even producing a hair out of place by October. The nation - and more - is already bow up, and the Captain abandoned long ago. Seriously. Who's at the goddamn helm of this country? So "policy positions" today strike me as pretty much a waste of breath. And I have no idea if Obama can cope with that. We'll see.
July 18, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hair break.
July 18, 2008 3:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! Fell for it! I don't NEED no steeking hair break!
Game on!
July 18, 2008 3:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fault. "Steenking." 2nd serve.
July 18, 2008 3:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wig break.
July 18, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Harsh.
July 18, 2008 3:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't stand the frying pan, get out of the kitchen.
July 18, 2008 3:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the exact same picture I see.
July 18, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, first I'm agreeing with Tankard, now this.
Any "Serenity" fans out there? Remember the scene in "the Hero of Canton" when Simon Tam says "this must be what going mad feels like" after seeing the statute of Jayne? Right there with him.
Fortunately, Desi restored some order to the universe. Thanks, Des.
July 17, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, t'was an episode of Firefly (Serenity was the movie) and yes, I understand the feeling.
July 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do we get to eat what we kill?
July 17, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only if you're author Carl Hiaasen's fictional ex-governor who lives in the Everglades and subsists on road kill.
July 18, 2008 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only? Where's DonnerPass when we need him.
July 18, 2008 2:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look to yer left, pal. This ain't roadkill enough for ya?
July 18, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only sympathetic if you kill it yourself, bare hands or behind the wheel is all fine with me.
July 18, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm workin' on it. 3 packs a day.
July 18, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Smoke break.
July 18, 2008 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
From that great English existentialish philosopher, Bridget Jones' dad:
Dad: Ciggy?
Bridget Jones: No. No thanks. I've given up again.
Dad: Shame. I find them very useful. I take great comfort in the fact that they might kill me before things actually get worse.
July 18, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having Hillary around is different than having her as the vice president. I'm over my "I-Hate-Hillary" phase but I think as a vice president, she'd be a distraction, at best.
I think she should stay in the senate where she can do some long-term good. The dems are going to need a new elder statesman, or stateswoman, as the case may be.
July 17, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who said her name was ever in the hat? She is parting her hair on the left now. Guess she's abandoning her right-leaning ways.
July 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
July 18, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the key for me. My peers and I have been effectively disenfranchised for two decades by an older generation who has proven nothing but the fact that they can run the country into the ground. We're finally powerful enough to wrench the wheels from their hands and kick them into the back seat. Hopefully we'll do a better job, but that's only secondary.
(I don't know what you're game is, Billy, but I'm playing along.)
July 17, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also love that last line, but feel I must be getting duped somehow by the author.
Agree also in large part with your generational argument, though I might be more artful in saying it! But overall, I am weary of the 'boomers running the show, and running it badly.
Anyhow, it is refreshing and touching to hear from older people who agree with Billy G, and are ready to hand the reigns over to a new generation of leadership...
I'm still waiting for the pie in the face, though.
July 17, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pie.
July 17, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am Obama's age exactly.
We're both considered Boomers. Clinton is getting out of the way for Obama?
Um, yeah, whatevah.
July 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
New Coke.
July 17, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? You're same age?!? But, you look so young and virile!
July 17, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is much to admire about Senator Clinton, but I am still not in favor of her as vice president. I couldn't say why it is, but everywhere she goes, everyone is always in an uproar and that would be a serious distraction from the serious work before us.
July 17, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow.
"My peers and I have been effectively disenfranchised for two decades by an older generation who has proven nothing but the fact that they can run the country into the ground. We're finally powerful enough to wrench the wheels from their hands and kick them into the back seat."
I hope to God this is Bizarro Day II. If not, then hey, go to it, Generation Cut & Paste. Careful with those scissors though. I think you just cut off an awful lot of legs. Oh well. Maybe you can Wiki what you lost.
July 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok ok. Bizarro Day II. Mmmmmm, crow.
Good baby.
July 17, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am shocked to see this gratuitous reference to Wikipedia.
July 17, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I found this reference to "Wikipedia" in a book, and - I admit - used it without reference. My bad.
July 17, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one Billy. I don't believe you're serious. Best way to show how inane a line of thought is, is to agree, and take it one step further. Even a little bit of hyperbole works. My guess is this is very subtle satire.
Allsburg, a person, or a generation of people, doesn't get disenfranchised by being too damn lazy to vote. They get disenfranchised when they want to vote but are not allowed to or when they do vote but their vote isn't counted.
The 60's generation changed the world. More social and political change in a decade then in the prior 100 years. We made the world that could see Obama and Hillary as serious contenders for the presidency. Everything your generation takes for granted from civil rights to women's rights we made. It happened because we got of our asses and did something. I've stood on the front lines of protest movements and watched the numbers dwindle year after year. I've looked at the % of youth voting and watched it go down year after year. Lazy and apathetic is how I would characterize the post 60 generations.
I'll grant that the 60's generation might have been as apathetic as the generation that followed it if it hadn't been for the draft. The idea that you might be forced to go fight a war and maybe die there was a powerful provocation to focus one's energies. Perhaps if there was a draft today your generation might get off its lazy butt too. But what ever the reason those who were young adults in the 60's did something. Not the least was forcing the government to end the draft so your generation wouldn't have to deal with it.
Politics is not a game where people take turns. Your generation doesn't get a turn, not now, not even after everyone who was alive in the 60's is dead. You get what you've worked for and what you've earned. If you're not willing to work for it, and all that I've seen is you are not, the torch will pass from our hands to your children's. You want change you're going to have to do more then chant the words or trust obama to do it for you. You want something out of government get off your ass and work for it. Sometimes my generation might work with you for it and other times against you. May the better man of women win.
July 17, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya think?
July 17, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You ignore the actual changes that took place after the war - women who'd been working fighting to keep their jobs, the court cases and insurrection that pushed civil rights to the forefront (remember those troubles under *Eisenhower*???), the experimentation with drugs and music (On the Road, anyone? Burroughs and Bowles in Mexico and Morocco? Coltrane and Davis?), fights against obscenity (Lenny Bruce, Henry Miller, William Burroughs), and even Kesey's first LSD trips in 1959 - as he notes, he was too young to be a hippie and too old to be a beatnik, but did much to define what the 60's would be remembered as was finished by 1964. SDS was founded 1960, Malcolm X was born 1925.
The 60's got all the credit for much of what the 50's created under the repression of the McCarthy/Eisenhower years. Even now, Obama is reaping much of what activism created in terms of on-line organizing in the last 6 years, though doing it well.
July 18, 2008 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
'54-'56, there was an explosion. Elvis, Jimmy Dean, Montgomery Bus, On The Road & Howl written. Then the authorities went to work, shoving it all back in the bottle - used the draft, the courts, whatever tools they had. But by then, the seeds had gone underground (and overseas, for some.) By the early 60's, the machine was cranking out the boy-bands. But too many kids knew the secret handshake by then. So yeah, 60's came from seeds, absolutely. But by '66 - and certainly by '68 - hard to argue the kids weren't making the shit up largely on their own. (Though still getting a little help from their [older] friends.)
July 18, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sly reference to George Martin.
July 18, 2008 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hear he didn't contribute much. Just hummed.
July 18, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reporter: Do you know this group is the greatest talent of this generation?
Martin: No, but if you can hum a few bars I'll fake it.
July 18, 2008 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heartbreak.
July 18, 2008 3:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of. Psoriasis.
My serve: Pastache.
July 18, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pronunciation please?
July 18, 2008 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I saw my Pa stash his stack of Playboys under the bed".
Next contestant - our categories are Anorexia, Games with a D, and Things to do with chopped liver.
July 18, 2008 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time out.
I wanna take my time with this razor.
Pastache, my ass.
July 18, 2008 3:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only if you say it drunk and slurring:
"Pashtache...muh asssshhhh""
July 18, 2008 3:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shhhh. Dij'll hear ya.
July 18, 2008 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
When Dij the ass-kimbo gets here, we're gonna have a real good time.
July 18, 2008 3:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes I think my world would be a better place if urbandictionary didn't exist.
July 18, 2008 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't look at me. Speed-bomb here brought it up.
Oh.... Paige. You got any of those lil cotton balls?
July 18, 2008 3:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Grandma. Time to go back to your room and take your Geritol. We'll take it from here. Thanksbyebye!
July 18, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
can B Glad's game be to set us up and observe our attempts at figuring out what he's up to again? as we stumble along tripping on his traps? ... while he checks that he can still put as many as ever on his particular temptingly tangential track?
clever peops need to keep the games fresh and lively; right? being bored with one's self is too dreadful to endure solely or silently ...
July 17, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy?!
Reverse Psychosis? I'll bite.
I have genuinely re_warmed to Hill since the end of the primaries, but politically speaking I am not sure that I don't agree with you. In seeing her demeanor at more recent events it appears to me that with the pressure off she has been much more able to relax and let her persona shine, and I have once again gotten in touch with why I really liked her in the first place.
wrt the reformer meme, I don't so much think that it's Hillary herself that stands in the way of that agenda, but rather the legacy of Bill/Big Money/Influence Peddling triumvirate.
We once again have it raising it's head with the Bush Library/Kyrgyzstan flap and if that story gains traction you know that with Hillary on the ticket Bill and his Library Donors will get dragged into it. You know how they play the game "am not, but what are you" 7th grade activism to muddy the waters and distract from the issue.
I do not (and never have) had real problems with the Clinton's, sure some of their decisions may not have been my first choice, but so what. My disgust has always been with the (ex)players who act as though their support and money should buy them some form of entitlement to access and influence.
This is the "Change" that I buy into. So I give a few $$'s to buy the D Party back from these fat Cats and you could too.
July 17, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "fat cat" meme is over with the Lizza article. Obama knows who the fat cats are, has them in his Rolodex, knows what they need and how to line them up. This is no populist revolution, it is an extremely efficient, planned organizational drive paying attention to all the tools available.
July 18, 2008 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're the dude who's got no problem with wealth. Neither does Obama, apparently.
End of problem.
Get out yer pom-poms.
July 18, 2008 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pom-pom break.
July 18, 2008 3:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The 60's generation does have a lot to contribute to the effort and should make every effort to do so, even if not still in charge. But of them, why not Biden, without baggage?
July 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I really like Biden's edge. He could ace an important part of the veep job, which is "attack dog." If they vet him, and nothing explodes when it's prodded with the mine detector, I'd be quite pleased to see him as VP. I hear that there are some things in Richardson's past that do explode when prodded . . . if so, he'd make a great Sec of State.
July 17, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another advantage: Biden has gone on record believing Barack is "articulate." So, if he ever felt tempted to borrow part of a speech, he could keep it all in the campaign, and leave the Labour party out of it.
July 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Biden emphasized Obama being so fresh and so clean, unlike that dirty, filthy Jesse Jackson!
No really - I like Biden, but sometimes he puts the ass in assacious :)
July 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ass-tronomically correct ass-essement. Ass-tounding, you never cease to amaze me with your ass-toot observations.
Your anonym-ass admirer.
July 18, 2008 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Arse-kisser.
6-4-3. Double-play. Des AND Billy.
July 18, 2008 3:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you'd get that drainage fixed we could make you shortstop, that'd be a combo team/triple play dee-lite.
July 18, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
How do you say, Dee-groovy?
How do you say, Dee-gorgeous?
Ooh la la, la lalala.
How do you say, Dee-lited?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKTCW4oxS6I
July 18, 2008 3:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dance break.
July 18, 2008 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
New "ass" words AND a Dee-lite dance break? Why does the fun always happen when I turn in early? On second thought, don't answer that!
July 18, 2008 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
What hat, and who does the drawing. Suppose the person doing the drawing makes a mistake, during the drawing, and we end up with the nominee being Seven and One Eight!
July 17, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we could find a way to handle that. But if the nominee comes out being Five-and-Seven-Eighths, I want to know whose hat we used, and what role they're going to play in the administration.
July 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is the best choice......
For President.
July 17, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah. Further confirmation of some remnant of order in the universe.
July 18, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll be impressed by the "new" generation if they show a little staying power.
So far, Obama appears to be the victim of "last-month-itis"
Until then, spare me the silliness Billy.
:)
July 17, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whether you are impressed or not is beside the point. The point is that 50+ is obsolete. Start making the retirement plans, and give me the keys.
July 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
. . . to this damn stroller.
July 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that was a typo; he meant anyone older than 5 is obsolete.
July 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama will be "obsolete" before he leaves office?
Uh huh. You're too young to drive, and get off my grass.
July 17, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not so fast, Little Boy Blue. We're prepared and even glad (Billl Glad glad) to give you your turn, but show a little respect, please, for those of us over 50 (I'm 59) who are: a) redeemed, in this context, by arrested development; and b) were never among those who voted for Bush.
July 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't hurt to remind the little turds that they didn't show up in 2000, or 2004.
If they want to play at being grown up, they have to at least show up and vote.
Good grief. No one is going to "hand" them anything. They need to work for it.
July 17, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Don't trust anyone over thirty." - Jerry Rubin
"I never trust people's assertions, I always judge of them by their actions." - Ann Radcliffe, The Mysteries of Udolpho
Babyface Allsburg- Good luck in the twilight of your empowerment. You've got what twelve, thirteen good years to change the world? Get crackin'. By the way, I just received the quarterly financial statement for my retirement account today and somehow only managed to lose $26. Do you happen to have keys to a spare room you can give to me? Oh, and thank you for letting me know I can finally give up this brain research I've been working on all these years, definitely obsolete, much too tedious.
To Billy Glad- "I'd tip my hat to you,
but I haven't got a hat!" - Ham & Ex,
from "I Haven't Got a Hat (1935), Warner Bros. Pictures
July 18, 2008 5:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
...And the Hits Keep On Comin'!
July 18, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
The revealed fact that she would guarantee an overwhelming victory in November has me wondering if your suggestion is really wise. Otherwise, I would have gone along completely. How did you do that?
July 17, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG.
Yesterday I felt the need to compliment 'readytoblowagasket' and today it's Billy Glad! This must be some hideous plot to give me and others here cardiac arrest.
But, could it be, that BG has 'seen the light' or are we just being duped in his best gotcha yet?
And he hasn't responded YET to comments. Okay, now I'm truly frightened.
However, "Although adding Mrs. Clinton to the ticket would guarantee Party unity and an overwhelming Democratic victory in November..." is still a clue that BG is hangin' on to a bit of his fantasy. Now I feel better.
July 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG.
July 17, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's OK either way, Aunt Sam. If Mr. Glad's comments are sincere, then they show a shift in perspective and are deserving of praise. And if it's a Venus Fly Trap, as Dorn so aptly suggested, then we're still fine, as it is possible for small creatures (which we have been labeled) to escape through the cilia mesh, as long as we make it fast. Or even not so fast -- as long as the trichomes are avoided, the digestive process takes ten days. (I looked it up before I took the leap of faith.)
July 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, Billy hasn't changed.
July 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I donno Bee.... Last I heard, Billy'd picked up the Pom-Poms, pulled his official O-Team tights on & was practicing for all he was worth:
"Gimme A Great Big OOOOhhhhhhh..... (fuckit.)"
July 17, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could get big bucks for that video!
July 18, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
How much you offerin'? Billy's game (plus, I knocked him down to 20%.) I could ship you a gross, lessay fer $299. I'll throw in a loofa.
Any others? I only got the one garage full. After that, don't be cryin' back to Good Ole Uncle Quinn's Sweat Shoppe & Lodge (TM).
July 18, 2008 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
How much for just the loofah?
July 18, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
$310.
July 18, 2008 2:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whatca got for $5.00?
July 18, 2008 3:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Billy's tights.
July 18, 2008 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like the new avatar.
July 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peggy Noonan wrote in the WSJ that if Hillary were Obama's VP, she would poison his tea in the White House to remove the final obstacle between her and her lifelong ambition.
July 17, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Noonan was quite correct! There are several reasons Hillary Clinton should remove herself from public life (none of which Billy mentions: were she VP, that would seriously compromise Obama's chances), but we can rest easy that after November she will be a has-been who never was.
July 17, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton will hold a prominent position in democratic party politics for many years to come. You're kidding yourself to believe otherwise.
July 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is not a problem. President Obama can switch to drinking only coffee, and we all know that Senator Clinton does not know how to work a coffee machine.
July 17, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You owe me for a new flatscreen monitor, keyboard and iPod Touch. :-) Hilarious.
July 17, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok wait a minute. First it was her 18 million overwhelmingly women voters that Hillary would bring (Oh but wait..it turns out Obama would get them anyway) Now Billy is trying to turn this into a Generational fight????
Come on. I have heard ooooodles of boomers saying how they had been worried that leaders like JFK, MLK and the like would never come again, and now are truly inspired that Obama has taken the nomination, awakening their revolutionary spirit.
No need to turn over the keys...Young and old are fighting side by side. (Nice try Billy)
July 17, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I hope JFK comes back - whorehouses have gotten such an undeserved reputation ever since, and the mafia? Why, just a shell of their former selves. I'm sure Jack's involvement was an accident - he was just a pretty boy caught up in the mood of the times, had nothing to do with his father being a successful bootlegger - but it gave some real classiness to the whole Camelot period that would have been second-rate without. Man, I miss those martinis too - remember when the wife meeting the husband with a pitcher was not only accepted - it was expected???!!! And that was just to prepare yourself for driving to a cocktail party!!!??? Now kids just want to get stoned and play video games and otherwise be passive parasites on society - they're destroying their minds. Let's bring back the obnoxious abusive womanizing drunk as one of our cultural icons. The problem with America is we have no leaders and father figures anymore, nothing to strive for.
July 18, 2008 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Drink break.
July 18, 2008 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! Been sittin' here for a half-hour. I'm 6 drinks in, and now along comes Paige & Des, just in time to pick up the tab.
Night all.
Des. Thanks for playin'.
'N I hope this teaches Billy a lesson.
July 18, 2008 3:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry about that, waitress was new and didn't know your credit's no good. I'll pick it up next time, honest. Sleep tight. (Should be unavoidable, reminds me of a good elephant joke but a bit too sexist for public broadcast during children's hour).
July 18, 2008 4:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cheers, dude. You da bomb.
A demain.
July 18, 2008 4:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
a $300 tab, quinn? damn, now i'll never be able to afford that loofah.
July 18, 2008 4:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think he really wanted to sell - just a setup, like that stylin' Camaro last year. All talk, no.... septum.
July 18, 2008 4:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe, in your alcoholic haze, you might have missed a word
.By the way..I thought Bill Clinton was inspiring back in the day too. I won't go into his personal life and shady finances though.
It was the inspirational effect they had on the populace. Also I am so glad Obama is 100 times more decent and ethical than either - with the inspirational aspects of both put together.
July 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
How long have all of y'all been hangin' together? As a newbie, trying to figure out who is serious and who is being sarcastic is pretty interesting...Are newbies welcomed to join in, or it a pretty closed society...don't want to step on any toes...too much...
July 17, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Howdy. They're all old, and I'm still fresh & clean & new, so I'll give you the straight goods.
They've been hangin' together for quite some time it seems, and hangin' each other individually every other week or so.
No closed society or closed minds. Some small minds, tho. (Ok. On the QT? Mostly small minds. Look at the size of their heads.)
Jump in. Beware Ben - he's the mean one. Desidero probably safest to argue with. Ever since the accident, we've all been takin' care of him.
And never fall for anyone's avatars. They all lie. Billy Glad's a dancer for real, some Idaho compound. Ask her. She's helpful.
Hope this helps.
July 17, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Accident? Accident? It was a setup, there I was sitting at a bar minding my own business...
July 18, 2008 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Slow down there young fella. Lemme fix your bib.
July 18, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Old enough to reach the bar, old enough to drink. Doesn't mention the booster seat.
July 18, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I got no problem with you, sir.
It's that talking dog. She's gotta go.
July 18, 2008 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
The talking alligator's no better.
July 18, 2008 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's still gotta go. Drools worse 'n you.
July 18, 2008 3:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's considered a plus in some circles.
July 18, 2008 3:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah yeah yeah. 18 million droolers does not an army make.
July 18, 2008 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
But might make a great shake...
July 18, 2008 3:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fCTrU5qkI
July 18, 2008 3:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, you Tube-bombed me. Put that in the black mutha-fuckin' house. Game, set, match.
July 18, 2008 3:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
For the spectators, George "Black House" Clinton plus dancing french fries = instant jackpot. Or in his own words, "Hey Man, smell my finger".
July 18, 2008 3:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
For the spectators, "instant jackpot" means "I'm paying."
Prick.
July 18, 2008 4:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blame the clueless waitress - it was even the one night I remembered my wallet.
July 18, 2008 4:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, okay, I'll clear your tab - didn't know you were going to be so touchy...
July 18, 2008 4:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was waiting for the kids/pick-pocket thing.
Figured we always had Paige.
July 18, 2008 4:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did I mention my mother's kidney operation?
July 18, 2008 4:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh boy. Don't worry, it's not a closed society, though it occasionally gets in-jokey. Place no confidence in anything else Quinn has told you -- except "They all lie."
July 17, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, how untypical of a, er, "newbie." Quaint term.
Most "newbies" suffer the slings and arrows of neglect until the "clique," not the little clique, but the "great big clique conspiracy," deigns favor them with a reply. They suffer that abuse with few complaints. (Unless encouraged to do so.)
Questioning social structure is quite unusual, I've seen many avatars do it recently, but never before in my years here, previously.
That's what makes your attitude so, er, outstanding.
Might want to work on that.
July 17, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
My advice is, if you're not *positive* someone isn't being sarcastic, assume sarcasm. And even if you are positive, think twice.
July 18, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe someone could remind the young ones that Dubya's father and mother are still voting as is my 87 year old mother. And if you can't trust anyone over 50 does that mean Obama will be limited to one term?
July 17, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bluebell,
You had me at "Dubya's father".
July 17, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will wonders never cease? And to think, just this morning I saw a pig fly....
July 17, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing remarkable about that. Mr. Limbaugh does so quite regularly.
July 17, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
BG recently wrote: "I think I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what I'm trying to do here. Inform? Stimulate? Needle? Persuade? Practice? Impress? Entertain? Just write something?"
Which is it? Certainly, the thought expressed seems too callow to be intended to inform or persuade. And although well stated, I would say impress is a stretch.
This leaves us with needle, stimulate, entertain and most likely, just write something. All of which apply as we await the definitive word.
I can't resist the line that's been so overused lately. If it's satire and it has to be explained, it's not very effective. There. It's out of the way. Trite, but out of the way.
July 17, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy is just trying to play the Rope-A-Dope trick.
Mention Hillary; and see how many people start start ranting about her.
Those that say that the are stunned by what he wrote, should be stunned at their own naiveté.
They must also get pleasantly surprised each time a Mountain Lion(Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge) declares that it has decided to become a Vegan.
July 17, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edit:
Billy is just trying to play the Rope-A-Dope trick.
Mention Hillary; and see how many people start ranting about her.
Those that say that they are stunned by what he wrote, should be stunned at their own naiveté.
They must also get pleasantly surprised each time a Mountain Lion(Wink Wink, Nudge, Nudge) declares that it has decided to become a Vegan.
July 17, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pescetarian.
July 17, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And a bobcat, as well. I'm no PUMA.
July 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love Eric Idle
July 17, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The editing is unclear.
The naifs are so naive as to be unaware of their naivite.
July 17, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nave.
July 18, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Turning it over to a new generation....riiiight....
names from
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/working_group.php
ages added from googling.
Wikipedia: Post-War Baby Boom:
There is some disagreement as to the precise beginning and ending dates of the post-war baby boom, but the range most commonly accepted is 1946 to 1964.
Barack Obama, born 1961
Hillary Clinton, born 1947
Poor Susan Rice is carrying a lot on her shoulders if Billy's essay is correct, as she's the only one that possibly can be considered "new generation."
That's without mentioning more recent pronouncements.
BTW, anyone know how many on the Obama V.P. short list are older than Hillary?
July 17, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
p.s. David Axelrod was born in 1955.
July 17, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
(I'm answering this question with one large caveat: No one who's talking knows what the short list really looks like.)
Possible Veeps older than Clinton?
Sebelius is 60, like Clinton, but seven months younger.
Chris Dodd is 64 (winnah winnah!).
Joe Biden is 65.
I think that's about it for serious Veep possibilities at or above Clinton's age.
July 17, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have the shortlist but I left it at my office. I'll email it to you tomorrow.
July 18, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I shun CW and here's the short list I believe is sitting on Obama's desk:
Dakota Fanning
DMX
Girl from the 3 a.m. ad
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The Jolie-Pitt twins (one standing on top of the other and wearing a little trenchcoat)
I don't think any of these people are older than Hillary.
July 18, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah but Ahmadinejad, another boomer! Born 1956! They're all the same, fucking up the world!
And hey, the Jolie Pitt twins photo is worth 1/2 of Hillary's campaign debt! You think that's a coincidience?!
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eastside93,
Thanks, appreciated.
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armchair guerilla,
I believe it.
July 18, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for havin' us over Billy. Afraid Paige made a bit of a mess.
Des & I done our best to clean things up for ya. Toodles.
Oh yeah. G'Obama!
July 18, 2008 4:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quinn, you're only throwing me under the bus 'cause Des said he'd pick up the tab. Not cool. Guess I'll keep these cotton balls.
July 18, 2008 4:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was born in 1940, and the prof's I hang out with keep telling me I'm on the cutting edge. Watch the ageism, short pants!
Obama is new and different, but he's not on the cutting edge. I hype his empathic positions, but he's got a gaggle of disempathic ones--lots to learn, lots to elaborate from the Book of Love. Kill the child rapists, 65 percent of whom were raped when they were kids. Sheesh!!! He may get there quick if he truly is open to new ideas--not sure about that yet. He may be a ridig Alinsky-like pragmatic progressive who isn't self-knowledgeable enough to open his heart to the profundities floating around in conflict resolution circles.
July 18, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, thank you for changing your avatar. If I never see that scowl one more time I'll be happy.
July 18, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama Campaign Headquarters just announced that they do not not have a VP candidate submission hat.
However the did recently receive a Glad Bag, from some unknown person. The bag was labeled VP candidate drawing submission slips. When they examined the contents, they found it contained hundreds of slips, all filled out with the name of just one candidate.
July 18, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edit: they did
July 18, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly you have spent too much time in the sun Billy.
July 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy Glad
July 20, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
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July 20, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
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July 20, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink