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Let's Play: Who Said This?


I stumbled upon the following as I was surfing late one night.  It was one of the results of a Google search I did.  It was an incredible find.  I took limited license with the following and it is not the entire article.

Who do YOU think said the following?
While I am certainly not above mindless egotism, I offer the citation to demonstrate that I am aiming for consistency. In my heart of hearts I still believe that, with some obvious exceptions, you cannot judge someone’s moral worth by their political posture alone. Nevertheless, after watching the mendacity, the sanctimony, and above all, the arrogant shabbiness of the House and their incarnate dashboard-Saint President, I am sorely strained not to question my convictions.

These people say they were denied the opportunity to give voice to their "conscience" by saying, in their words that the President "egregiously failed" his constitutional oath, "violated the trust of the American people," and "dishonored the office which they entrusted to him."

The White House has endorsed, encouraged and contributed to a declared "War" against all enemies — partisans and apolitical domestics. The White House is so filled with dirty whisperers that from a distance it sounds like the sprinkler system is going off inside.

"If you pose a threat to this President, you’re not merely a political adversary — you’re clearly a  homosexual, a homophobe, alcoholic, moron, crook, dupe, fellow traveler, embezzler, or even a murderer."

The Defendant has personally dismissed rulings by judges because they were made by political appointees and therefor partisan and hence illegitimate. Presidents aren’t supposed to do that.

If the President has been so opposed to the Politics of Personal Destruction why has he not once ever suggested publicly that his own dogs should be called off. The frightening thing is the President believes he has fought against these dangerous trends. And for thinking that, the man is quite simply insane.

A PARTY OF VICTIMS

Chris Matthews observed that the Democrats were becoming the "Mommy Party" and the Republicans the "Daddy Party." Republicans, to their credit, were the breadwinners and defenders of the home. The Democrats, to their credit, represented nurturing and concern for the underprivileged here and abroad. It was a brilliant observation at the time.

The President is their enabler and they love him for it.

[I]ntention is more important than act; political correctness has made motive for murder more deplorable than murder itself. In speech after speech, it was denounced not because they brought dubious evidence, but because of allegedly dubious intent. Some Congressmen literally said that this was payback.

Now I’m thinking of Conan’s answer to the question what is good in life? "To Crush your enemy; see him driven before you; to hear the lamentations of the women." I think the reason is that the President is so arrogant that he couldn’t help himself. Rather than accept and admit what he’d done (which he refused to do), and say "isn’t this enough?," he chose to be defiant in his victim status.
I am sure you're curious as to who said the above.  I'll get there in a moment (don't peek!)

First, I ask you to think about these words.

What do you think they mean?

What are they in response to?

Are they important?

Are they meaningful?

Do they apply?

Do you agree with them?

And finally, how do you feel about these words?

Interested in who said this?  Click here and find out.  (If you don't want to click away from TPM, I will post the answer in Comments later.)

And do Recommend this should you think it's worthwhile.

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This is interesting. I didn't know who said it but when I found out I thought immediately of the Scott McClellan book I just started reading. He has made the point that while the repubs may have started the war of politics the Clinton White House perfected some of the techniques themselves.
Are the words important and meaningful? In part but mostly not - just interesting. The victim enabler comment is mostly true. I was a die hard Clinton supportor blinded by love but now I think he did some good things but is rather a pig.

Nice post :) Thanks

I missed pulling out about five words out of the last paragraph, which is pretty telling as to who it was aimed towards.

I found it pretty interesting, especially after what took place in the Limits on Executive Power hearing which took place the other day.

When the Dems voted contempt for (I think it was) Bolten and Miers, Boehner and most Repubs stalked out of the House in a similar fashion to that described here.
It really galls me that Clinton's intransigence led to the Dems sunsetting the ICA a year later. The assumption that the President will abuse his or her powers, to previously unimagined extents. is one a Republic must make- or it will collapse, as it has now.
Very interesting reading.

I still firmly believe that the Republicans used blowjob-gate as a basis for impeachment to make impeachment itself a laughing stock and unusable. And, to that extent, it's worked.

Impeachment over sex is ok. Impeachment for treason (Plame), lying us into war, secrecy and all other crimes against the Constitution is out of the question.

Do I give them credit for long term planning like that? Yup. I sure do.

PNAC was around for 12 years. Those in PNAC, many of whom were government officials in the Nixon and Bush WH's, yeah, you better believe that they thought this out.

Then it must have really galled you,as it did me, when yet another piece of legislation from the 70's was neutered, FISA! And the Democrats did it themselves!
I have to assume the Democrats are being blackmailed, because the situation is so obvious.
Or they are naive criminals, as opposed to the Republicans' crafty ones, who think they can assume the power to spy themselves when Obama is elected. (One way or another, the Republicans will not let the Democrats get away with that. I suppose that's a good thing.)

Alas, don't get me started on FISA. The illegal wiretapping going on was clearly used against governmental officials. Instead of bugging buildings they did it under the guise of terrorism.

There is NO WAY that the dems are caving left and right on their own. Even Sibel Edmonds said so. Read this.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/spying-on-congress/

But back to the topic at hand...were you surprised by who said that quote above?

Yes, I was. I actually googled in some of the more distinctive phrases ('dashboard-Saint') because I felt somehow that was less 'cheating' than following your link.
The piece is much better than his recent material. Knowing the author's byline I almost gagged when he went on about Burke and conservatism, given that he lacks a shred of conservative impulse these days.
He wrote well when it suited his purpose. Now that his goals have been accomplished, he is free to write the unadulterated (no pun intended) trash his audience craves.

What I found so interesting is the politics of the piece, the words, and the author...and how much those words have meaning for today, for what is going on right now.

Republicans say whatever they so choose, based on the situation, and get away with everything. They're not questioned. They get a total free pass.

And then there is how our process was forever altered by the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Perhaps it was that that forever changed America, and not the egregiousness of what this administration has gotten away with for too long.

What must have impressed Goldberg was that Clinton and Carville were even stupider than he had thought. When he describes them exulting, I cringed.
They were, I think, celebrating the destruction of our form of Government. I wish the Democrats had imagination- they couldn't see beyond their own noses then, and now- well, now, it doesn't matter.

This little thread here touches on the existential limits of our political knowledge. I suppose it's all speculation, unless you work for the company. My take is that the Democratic party, at very high levels, is simply another arm of the M.I.C., like floodgates for leftist sentiment... where it can be controlled. And if anything ever gets a bit out of control? You can assassinate.

American politics isn't just theatre; it's dinner theatre, on par with a Medieval Times franchise. It can put on a decent show: the way the white and black knights joust you'd think they meant it, and that the guy who falls off his horse really gets hurt and the champion wins something of meaning. Voters are "treated like royalty" - every man a king! - but their crowns are made of tissue paper. And while the menu is all you can eat, all you can order is bullshit.

http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/11/who-ya-gonna-call.html

I remember reading somewhere that many in Congress (dems as well) have made tons of money from the war effort from stock they own.

I have to agree with you.

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I don't like to play.

Shame that.

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I just don't like little "puzzles"for grown-up discussions. I see that you identify Jonas below this spot. My newspaper has a "mystery plant" every Sunday. There is a picture and a description of the plant, and until I objected, it took a week to find out what the effing plant was, which in my case I had often forgotten the qualities mentioned.

We're all adults here. That is my point

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Sorry, "Jonah."

I promised the Who part.

It was Jonah Goldberg, neoconservative extraodinaire, in a piece he wrote for the the neoconservative National Review Online in 1998 about President Clinton on the impeachment.

Do visit TheZoo for daily goings on.

Very nice. Ya know, it would be great to do this more often - sometimes Dems and sometimes Repubs.

Kind of a history 'goose'!

Thanks and Rec'd.

I just happened on this little piece of history. I was Googleing something completely different. How this came up in my search results, I have no clue. I was looking for Jefferson's Manual for rules of the House and the only thing that might have tripped it was Jefferson.

THAT was a stretch.

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The quote is not good writing, it's drivel. It abounds with unsupported assertion presented as objective fact. It does give away that the Pres is Dems enabler, but I admit I cheated first.

What a twit.

Huh? I totally do not understand what you said.

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I often wanted to present blind quotes from politicos in polls, to see what people really think about the ideas when they're not attached to a name. That way, you wouldn't get the knee-jerk reactions people have to ideas that they otherwise might agree with or reject.

There's so much goose stepping going on, and I know that being unified is one thing that is a real threat to Obama's being elected. That said, I'd rather be part of a thinking, bickering group that shares the same basic values but disagrees on how to achieve them than of a group that accepts whatever it's told to accept, whether it believes or even understands what it's embracing as the best for the country.

I really want to take the word "patriotic" away from the right and show them that what they're really talking about is jingoism. Real patriots are the ones who are willing to admit when the country has gone off course and work very hard to get it back on track to where it values liberty, the law, and humanism.

"I really want to take the word "patriotic" away from the right and show them that what they're really talking about is jingoism. Real patriots are the ones who are willing to admit when the country has gone off course and work very hard to get it back on track to where it values liberty, the law, and humanism." No, that's half the definition of patriotism.

Patriotism is, at root, the willingness to give deeply of yourself for the genuine good of your country. This includes both your definition (people who lock up the binders when their country is heading toward a cliff), and the other half, backing your country with all you've got when it's on the right course.

The second half doesn't get a lot of air time from the left lately, as we don't see our country doing the exceptional things ow which it's capable, except individually. It is important to say that there are both sides. That guy that put himself in the way of that shotgun, so that other people wouldn't get shot, I suspect, exhibited both halves of the real definition.

"I really want to take the word "patriotic" away from the right and show them that what they're really talking about is jingoism. Real patriots are the ones who are willing to admit when the country has gone off course and work very hard to get it back on track to where it values liberty, the law, and humanism." You're only giving half of the definition of patriotism.

Patriotism is, in its basic meaning, the willingless to give deeply of yourself for the genuine good of your nation. This includes locking up the brakes when your country is going over the cliff, but it also includes pouring all the push on that you can personally provide when your country is doing the right thing.

The left (me included) doesn't give much voice to the second half of this definition, as we see little that our country has done lately that merits that enthusiasm. And we've been right not to feel that way. But we have been wrong to ignore that portion of the definition.

One thing that I will have you note: Obama uses both halves of the definition to reach the hearts of many people, McCain uses only the half that is jingoism (when it's the only part of the definition that they'll admit has any place in the definition) to try to play to people's prejudices. And it shows, to the open-minded.

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