Professor Obama, Take Fox News To School
Well, my first post seemed to go well, and I thank all of
you for your comments and insight. To respond to what someone said earlier, I said "don't shoot me because it
sucks" in the first one because I have always had political opinions but
was never great at making a case or debating, particularly among my
conservative friends. However, I have been more vocal and active this
year now that I'm basically an adult and I simply cannot watch our
nation screw up yet another presidential election. So yeah, thanks for
making me feel comfortable here.
Now it's time to challenge all of you, and I'm sure I'll catch some flak from
this one. But now that I'm alright with that, criticize me all you want
for this one:
Barack Obama needs to go on the O'Reilly Factor. Or Hannity and
Colmes--or as I like to call it, Hannity and Guy Who Looks Like Weasel.
I know many lefties are boycotting Fox News and don't want their homies subject
to such nonsense. And I know Obama has been on Fox News Sunday before,
and did quite well. But to me, Chris Wallace is a relatively good guy
compared to Steve Douchey, Bill-O The Clown, Laura "my voice is so nasal
and annoying" Ingharam and the like.
Earlier in the campaign, I can understand his avoidance of less friendly
arenas. Fox News tried running the Wright, Ayers, and Rezko controversies
in the ground when they were hot topics. If O'Reilly interviewed him back
in March, there wouldn't have been a single policy question asked (and some of
you, sarcastically or not, would say the same thing if he went on today).
But here's how I see it: Obama firmly has the support of the left; yes, many
were ticked about the FISA bill, but that's another issue now. He has a good amount of independents, and I
think that if this campaign keeps going strong, the doubts people will have
about experience, readiness for the job and (for some) race will soon be erased. So how do we get support of undecideds and even conservatives?
Go into their territory, and OWN them. I mean, unless he blows it, could he lose votes? Not that many liberals watch Fox. I do, but a) I try and get all angles of discussion and b) I just think they’re so bad it makes me literally laugh out loud. O’Reilly has dubbed Obama’s trip the “Magical Mystery Tour” because Barack is “still a mystery” to him. Well, maybe if you covered him substantively rather than criticize the media's coverage then you'd learn. Nonetheless, my point is that conservatives make STILL make this argument that he’s unknown, a flip-flopper, inexperienced, vague, etc., while he’s clearly put himself out there since clinching the nomination. If he gives right-wing viewers a chance to see him up-close and personal, I think he can null some of those claims.
Secondly, I think it may be a bit of a backlash if he never
goes on. Remember that Obama-meter (or
whatever it was called) Chris Wallace had before Barack finally came on? I can so see the prime-timers doing that…and
then some. Bill-O already had a poll on
his site where 76% said the senator would not come on the show. So, if it’s perceived that if he won’t come
into their constantly running dryer known as the no-spin-zone to them, then
that leaves Bill-O to continue to trash him and the “liberal media elite”. And why won’t
he go on? He’s taken a huge step with
this trip and has been flawless while
McCain criticizes the media for being biased and…..cancels his chance to get some action?!? If he wants to
be a uniter, he simply has to present his take to the opposite side. Period.
I’m not saying Obama has to pull a Bill Clinton and openly call their
right-wing hit job. But what does he
have to lose here? We’ve seen this week
how he’s handled foreign leaders; Al-Maliki is all but sure now that the
Straight-Talk Express is derailed; his views according to a poll today are "in
the mainstream", and Obama has the most trouble pulling in older, white voters. What's O’Reilly’s main audience? Mostly old white voters.
And you may disagree on this one too, but I think Hillary did very well in her interview. I almost liked her for a few days after her performance on the falafel-fest.
Am I going wrong somewhere? I just think that he really has to face the opposition head-on. Maybe not now—maybe after he announces his Veep or right before or right after the convention…I don’t know when would be a good time. However, what I do know in my mind is that Obama needs people from all sides and not just one side to get him into the Oval Office. If not, the lunatic fringe will beat the drum long and hard until those closer to the middle start to hear it.





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I think you're on to something here. I think it would be a tremendous move. He's got the intellectual fire-power and moral presence to hold his own with any of their menagerie of hitmen and hacks.
We would just have to insist they don't doctor the tapes so what we see would be what actually happened.
July 23, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very good post. Welcome!
I think you're right, but that said, I really struggle with giving Fox any semblance of respectability. They deserve none.
I am certain Obama would do well, although I doubt that he would be given much respect from the likes of O'Reilly or Hannity. Look how Scarborough treated Clark this morning. It's appalling.
This is one I waffle back and forth on. I don't think Fox deserves any respect whatsoever.
July 23, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Problem is, they have millions of undecided voters who do give them that respect, whether we think it is deserved or not. Obama on any of those shows would clean up.
He would take heat from the left, again, which would make the appearance all the more powerful to persuadable voters to the right-side of the political spectrum.
Could certainly be a net positive.
July 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it would be a brilliant move. Obama is so quick on his feet mentally he would destroy any BS the Faux News crew tried to sling. I really do agree with Ms. Joanne...I don't like giving Faux any cred. That being said I still think it could go a long way in helping Obama win this election.
Nice post teemunney...
July 23, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I would have a problem going on a network where they advocated lynching my wife; however, Senator Obama is probably a bigger person than I am in regards to this.
July 24, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
My comment was meant as a compliment to Senator Obama, I wasn't quite sure if that sentiment came through. :)
July 24, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd bet he does just what your saying. There are a lot of Fox News watchers who aren't at all happy with the state of the Union. They're not sure on McCain, or even on the GOP anymore. Their houses are losing value, gas is through the roof, the war was a lie with no coherent endgame offered. These people may not have a lot of the same values as the Democrat base, but they are pissed and quite flippable. Obama needs to be telling the Obama story to them as directly as possible, before their pundits can try to twist it.
July 24, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting, Teemunney. I too watch them because I want to know what we're up against. (I never watch them live - I always prerecord and then run through them later so that when it gets too unbearable I can flick forward )
Basically I think they're `must watch` stuff if you want to know how the issues are shaping.
I have mixed feelings about him going on O'Reilly. I don't know if you remember but O'Reilly admitted publicly that he'd gone easy on Clinton because he said you have to when you're interviewing women.
What I find most intolerable about the man is when he has people on whose views he doesn't agree with, he bullies them. He doesn't let them finish their sentences, let alone their arguments and reasons for those arguments. He's so damned overbearing - his ego is simply intolerable. It really t's me off the way he loves to tell his audience that people won't come on his show because they're scared of him: I think most intelligent, highly rational people won't go on because there's no point and they've got better things to do with their time!
If he does decide to go on, I hope it won't be without his researchers having gone over all the tapes of previous shows so that Obama knows every single bias/argument O'Reilly's touting so that he's prearmed.
eg have you noticed how O'Reilly & Hannity are both now touting Morris' argument that Obama's lying about not including illegals in his health insurance plan? That if he's going to cover 47m as he argues, then that absolutely covers illegals.
I'd rather he stuck to going on FNS. (Wallace has become something of a hero of mine since that morning during the primary when he phoned those Fox & Friends idiots and publicly told them to stop the Obama bashing. Oh how beauuutiful that was.)
July 24, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was trying to find John Kerry's interview with Bill-O back in 2004 on Youtube...I'm almost certain he was on the show. If someone can find it I'd appreciate it; I was curious to see how well he handled himself. And I didn't know about that Hillary after-the-interview comment, although he certainly tossed McCain softballs in his interview. So is Hillary > McCain in the testicular fortitude department? Fair and balanced...ha.
I'm sure Obama knows what he'd be up against. That stalker-producer guy of his always finds him and Obama just says he'd be glad to go on the show sometime. I think he wanted to wait until now (assuming he does go on) because the voters, at least not the really conservative viewers, will want to focus more on issues and not BS like Bill Ayers, et. al. He's been on FNS once, and I do think Chris Wallace is one of the more ok people on the network like you do.
I just think that there are a fair amount of people who are more undecided than we may realize. If 80-85% of America thinks we're heading the wrong way, then at least half of those are independents or conservatives. Yet they still support McCain because 1) he still has this Vietnam-hero-straight-talk aura around him and 2) people for many reasons do agree with Obama policy-wise, but he hasn't broken through on a more personal level. Now, with 2, by no means do I mean he should go out of his way to be a normal guy. We picked the guy we wanted to have a beer with for 8 years and we know what happened there. But you can be professional, presidential, and still speak to the common man without being too nonchalant like Dubya.
I just think that if Obama plays his cards right against the big guns, and if enough Americans can see through the bull if O'Reilly or someone else tries to take something too far, the sky is the limit.
July 24, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to admit I rather like the idea of Obama going on Fox...particularly O'Really. After all the fawning he was doing over Hillary (I swear I was yelling at the t.v. "get a room!") it would be interesting to see the difference. I, personally think Billo would come off looking like an idiot. Obama can take him!
July 24, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain says Obama wants to talk to terrorists without preconditions and you think he should go on Faux? He doesn't need to, they need him to. No brainer, he shouldn't go.
July 24, 2008 4:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
1. O'Riley is taped and he does not need to let their duche bags do an editing hack job on him.
2. He should no lower himself to go up against blowhard screamers as if they are his peirs.
Go on fox? Sure
Go on these shows? Not a chance in hell
July 24, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great points, I agree wholeheartedly, as long as the interview is aired LIVE. We've seen from CBS this week how creative editing can change the meaning of an interview. I don't trust fox news with editing equipment and footage of Barack Obama at all. This type of thing needs to be live or not at all.
July 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!
July 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS THING SUCKS!!!
July 24, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know why there is any concern for Obama to "meet" or "take on" Fox. Obama is meeting with Kings and Chancellors and Presidents of the world. We have virtual soldiers taking care of the "Foxes" muckymucks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/23/rapper-nas-delivers-fox-n_n_114645.html
Nas Youtube. Mature lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Uqk3fxFEs
July 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fox is WWF, not Charlie Rose or even MTP...having intellectual fire power means NOTHING in an environment like that. It aims for people's lowest, basest instincts, not reasoned, intelligent thoughful analysis/discussion. That's why O'Reilly and Hannity want him on their shows, because they are masters of the freak show and Obama is NOT a freak or carnival huckster, so, the environment is not suited to showing him at his best. That's the whole point.
July 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with a 100% live interview, though I doubt that would happen. Honestly, though, unless Obama really blows it or the edit job is so egregious even John McCain admits it’s unfair, I don’t see how it could in any way hurt him. And “taking on” Fox isn’t the biggest issue here, but what is important is tapping into a new audience. Not everyone who watches Fox is crazy—there are probably a significant amount of moderates and those who only tilt a bit to the right that watch. They probably have just been bamboozled into thinking that their repeated lies actually are the truth. I was one who actually thought O’Reilly wasn’t that bad—I EVEN bought one of his books 3 or 4 years ago! OK, shoot me. I deserve it. I realize it’s a risk, but seeing Obama fly through the other big “risks” of his campaign…why not?
July 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the idea you have proposed is certainly worth considering, but don't you think Obama has already considered it? He's a master politician, but not a fool who will be baited or goaded into a stacked deck situation. At least I hope he isn't. That's exactly what everyone is trying to do, trap him in an unfriendly environment and open fire. That's what McCain's oh-so-generous town hall invitation was all about - Potemkin town halls stacked with operatives and partisans who would ask the questions McCain wants - something like that Philly "debate" that was nothing more than an inquisition.
So, sure, if Obama sets the ground rules, I'd love to see him dissect these soulless balloons posing as pundits - or even posing as people as I somehow can't figure out how anyone can live with themselves when they live a life of such utter moral depravity - then perhaps Obama will deign to sully himself and validate their existence with a visit.
Oh, I know. There are undecideds. There are - -potentially - people who actually watch Fox with a sufficiently open mind to be swayed by Obama's strengths and message - if it is actually able to be conveyed - but really... How can anyone watch O'Reilly or, even worse, Hannity, without barfing. That you can laugh at them is a testament to your fortitude, but the true believers? Can they really be influenced by Obama in the Court of Lies?
July 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would like to see Obama on the O Factor. I would especially like to see him confront the clown about his lynching comment directed at Michelle. Obama is good at turn-about and I am convinced this is already being looked at. My guess is that the campaign is looking at some time shortly after Denver to do it.
This is of course assuming that Bill O the Clown truly wants him on his show and isn't dodging it. I believe this is a huge possibility given the risk of embarrassment to Bill O. Bill O has a lot to lose doing that show and, well, I can't think of anything he to gain by doing it.
July 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm torn on this one too. On one hand, I don't support legitimizing that channel in any way. I would hope that Fox doesn't get press creds to the White House if Obama is elected. That would be fair and balanced treatment of them.
Or he could do a live interview on O-Liely or the Hermaphrodite show (Hannity and Colmes, because it has both a dick and a pussy). But I would really hope for Obama calling out stupid questions for what they are. Telling BillO to man up and ask substantive questions would be worth the price of admission. Especially live.
I think I'd prefer he shunned them completely. He could even issue a statement that says he prefers to deal with legitimate news organizations instead. That would pretty much resolve it for me.
July 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fox News is not a news organization. It is a propaganda machine and nothing else. Everytime a Democrat appears on their network, they give credence to Fox false claims of balance and respectability. This is a mistake.
Moreover, Fox is known to deliberately edit interviews to create a false impression. Yes, I know other networks have done so as well, most recently CBS editing out McCain's stupidity and ignorance. Nonetheless, how can Obama's eloquence serve in an environment where you cannot trust the network to leave his words unaltered. Look what they did with the photos of the Times reporters. That kind of frat boy stupidity is what passes for journalism at Fox - they deserve to be boycotted by every thinking person in America.
July 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm stuck on this as well. As much as I would like to see Obama clean house on Fox, which I'm sure he would have no difficulty doing, this would only be a step closer to legitimizing them. I remember much of the Bush administration, and Cheney in particular, refusing to appear on CNN and other networks in favor of Fox as Fox would provide the only sure outlet for the Administration's views.
Should Obama win it will be interesting to see if Fox evolves into the Hate Network and become the talk radio of TV or try to curry favor with the new order. I have a feeling Murdoch's drive for profits will overcome his ideologies. Seems to be a Republican trait.
July 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Obama should do an all in one panel at a nutral location with Olberman, O'rielly and Dobbs.
They each would would gt 1/3rd of the hour to converse with Obama without the other hosts intervening. The other hosts would not be allowed to comment on a previous hosts conversation.
If changes were made to air the interviews on a hosts show, the other hosts and programs would be able to check it against their own records.
July 24, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
My comment about "WE'LL DO IT LIVE!",
Is actually in reference to this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5j2YDq6FkVE
After the Jesse Jackson hot mic incident, why would anyone want to grace Fox News? That's just asking for cold degradation with a smile.
July 24, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink