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What is Wrong with Being Muslim?
Among the many thoughtful and well written posts regarding the cover of the New Yorker are those by destor23, Scientific, and Leonce Gaiter. Some lamented that fact that Obama was drawn in Arab/Muslim garb. Pundits on various shows were lamenting the latest Newsweek survey which points out that some Americans still believe Obama is Muslim and how terrible it is that this false fact persists. The Obama camp aggressively tries to debunk the lie.
A basic question that also needs to be addressed is: What is wrong with being Muslim? What if Obama or McCain were exactly who they were and were Muslim? Should their religions make a difference?
Both Obama and the MSM, in stressing the inaccuracy of the claim, implicitly say, “Being Muslim is bad. Being Muslim is wrong.” I wish Obama, when asked about his faith, would respond, “I am a Christian and there is nothing wrong with being Muslim.” I wish that the media would remind us that being of a particular religion is not, in and of itself, bad.
During the primary season, there were questions about Mitt Romney’s faith. (Ultimately, Mitt’s problem was Mitt.) His faith, in and of itself, should have never been an issue. A candidate’s faith should only be of concern if a candidate seeks to break the separation between church and state. (By that metric, Bush is far more dangerous that McCain or Obama.)
What’s wrong with being Muslim? Nothing. What’s wrong with how the media and the Obama camp address the lies? A lot.
A basic question that also needs to be addressed is: What is wrong with being Muslim? What if Obama or McCain were exactly who they were and were Muslim? Should their religions make a difference?
Both Obama and the MSM, in stressing the inaccuracy of the claim, implicitly say, “Being Muslim is bad. Being Muslim is wrong.” I wish Obama, when asked about his faith, would respond, “I am a Christian and there is nothing wrong with being Muslim.” I wish that the media would remind us that being of a particular religion is not, in and of itself, bad.
During the primary season, there were questions about Mitt Romney’s faith. (Ultimately, Mitt’s problem was Mitt.) His faith, in and of itself, should have never been an issue. A candidate’s faith should only be of concern if a candidate seeks to break the separation between church and state. (By that metric, Bush is far more dangerous that McCain or Obama.)
What’s wrong with being Muslim? Nothing. What’s wrong with how the media and the Obama camp address the lies? A lot.
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Pangaea,
I haven't been following this story in the MSM. How have the Obama camp been reacting to this story, that is objectionable?
July 15, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's funny that you mention that at exactly the time that I am listening to Obama (on Larry King) state that there is nothing wrong per se with being Muslim. Right now, I feel a little silly about my post.
I hope that Obama continues to stress that there is nothing wrong with being any religion as long as it is not destructive or disrespectful of other beliefs.
To your specific question, I think that the MSM emphasizes the falseness of the fact over the bigger notion that there is nothing wrong with being Muslim.
MSM needs to invest more time into talking about a) what is positive about Islam and b) the dangers of extremists of any belief.
July 15, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a most welcome post. Strongly Rec'd. Needs to be discussed and message acknowledged. Thanks.
Note: I just saw Obama on King too. His persona was that of a statesman and thoughtful, calm and intelligent man. Just what we need (for a positive change) as POTUS!
I especially appreciated his remarks regarding the 'muslim' issues. So true. Many wonderful muslims that are being disparaged through no fault of their own.
July 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This one is easy. There is nothing wrong with being Muslim. But that's not exactly what the right-wing smear of Obama is all about. It's that he's secretly a Muslim, that he's hiding his true religion. That he's being deceptive, untrustworthy.
That, among other things, is why the Wright affair did nothing to weaken the force of the rumor - if his goal is to cover up his secret beliefs, it of course makes sense that he'd choose an in-your-face Christian congregation as his cover.
July 15, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear your right-wing smear argument. Secret or not, the implication is that being a Muslim is wrong. Would McCain be faulted if he were a secret Christian?
I think that all these intimations about Obama being deceptive and untrustworthy are just attempts at trying ro find a rational reason to not vote for the candidate who is not white and male.
But that's just grist for another post, isn't it?
July 15, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Twain told by Andrew Carnegie that 'America is a Christian nation,' responded "Why Carnegie, so is Hell!"
July 16, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The basic premise -- that there is nothing wrong with being Muslim -- and being Muslim does not disqualify one from being President still hold true.
Perhaps we should start using some of those old 1930s movie lines, "What's it to ya?" "Wanna make something of it?" "Ya mudder wears combat boots..." "Oh yeah? So what if I was?"
July 15, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a liberal, I would not support most Muslims for federal elected offices, because the tenets of the faith are in opposition to Enlightenment values at the core of liberalism, and I am opposed to sexism and intolerance. There are exceptions of people and communities who practice and believe a liberalized version of Islam, but the core doctrine has problems, and in most of the world, Islam is a negative social influence. In our country, Islam can't be reconciled with our contemporary Constitutional values (as currently interpreted) without distorting the core principles of the religion, but I will defend to the death the right of Muslims to worship freely and securely.
July 16, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Much of your criticism of Islam could apply to Christianity just as easily. Do you also have a problem voting for Christians?
July 16, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great point. Islam is hardly the first male-dominated religion nor the first to have dirty laundry despite the vast majority being good and moral practitioners of their faith.
July 16, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
July 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this an anti-Catholic smear?
July 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I would not vote for members of Christian sects that practice and teach discrimination against gays or women, or who advocate unlawful activities against women who exercise their rights to control of their bodies, or who interfere with the teaching of science.
July 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to be combative, but your reasons for eschewing Muslims had to do with the tenets of their faith, but you seem to have no problem with the similarly inhumane tenets of Christianity.
Care to react to that observation?
July 16, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, no, no.....This is America, silly, what you're describing is discrimination that runs counter to what our Constitution stands for in the first place....If someone is elected or appointed to a Federal office, they take an oath to updhold and protect the Constitution. No matter the religion, the person's oath of office is a separate issue.
We don't do religious tests for office in this country. That's the point.
July 16, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not talking about requiring a religion test to be a candidate. I'm talking about one of my voting criteria.
July 16, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I wish Obama, when asked about his faith, would respond, 'I am a Christian and there is nothing wrong with being Muslim.'"
I think Obama said exactly that yesterday:
"You know, there are wonderful Muslim Americans all across the country who are doing wonderful things," the presidential candidate told CNN's Larry King. "And for this to be used as sort of an insult, or to raise suspicions about me, I think is unfortunate. And it's not what America's all about."
July 16, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was listening to Larry King and when Obama said what he said, I thought, "Doh!" Please read my comment to the first response to my blog.
What Obama said on Larry King needs to be said more often.
July 16, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
To answer the titling question of your essay:
It's a religion.
July 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is really disturbing, isn't it?
I'm kind of with Tankard on this one. There's nothing wrong with being a Muslim that isn't wrong with being a Christian. But I'm just an atheist like that.
Either way, I blame the media more than Obama. They're talking about this in the basest terms and they're not examining the nuances at all.
July 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's nothing wrong with being a Muslim that isn't wrong with being a Christian. But I'm just an atheist like that.
One needn't be an atheist to observe that all the Abrahamic religions are based on the same angry, war-like, discriminatory, punitive principles.
And I'm only singling out the Abrahamic religions because they are the ones under discussion.
July 16, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for both of your comments. To Tankard's response, "It's a religion," and to the ensuing exchange between Tankard and destor23, one can only conclude that a candidate's religion (or lack of it) should not be the metric by which we measure his or hers suitability for office.
Rootman Hussein Rootman's 8:16 am comment above points out why. I interpret what he said as follows: religion isn't the issue, but how one manifests it is.
July 16, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apples and oranges.
Say what you will about Joseph Smith, but he was an American, unlike some other prophets I could name.
July 16, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, any religion that originates from a stone tablet buried 200 odd years ago in upstate New York can't be all bad.
July 16, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Smith may have been American, but was he patriotic? I have yet to see a picture of him in which he wore a flag lapel pin.
July 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
He used to do some sort of Hessian Mercenary Fist Jab, I hear.
July 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not his fault. Photography was still only in its infancy when Joseph Smith died.
Besides, it's my understanding that when the mob came for him, he vigorously exercised his 2nd Amendment rights until the very end.
What could be more American than that?
July 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The world is imperfect and unfair. Ones religion or lack of religion should not be an issue. But in the real world if McCain and Obama were Muslim, Buddhist, Scientologist, atheist, or Hindu they would not be candidates. We are becoming a more pluralistick society but we ain't there yet.
BTW I would not vote for a Scientologist. Does that make me as bad as the guy who won't vote for a Jew?
July 16, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you rule out Scientologists? (Unacceptable answers are any that include John Travolta or Tom Cruise...)
July 16, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. The church of scientology is an obvious cult that was founded for the sole purpose of seperating its members from their money. It does a bang up job.
2. If you are going to believe in some imaginary BS the least you could do is believe in some mainstream imaginary BS. There is a difference between buying into an anchient religion that has been passed down for melinia and falling for a congame by a living founder. Tere are degrees of crazyness.
3. If you belong to a mystery religion that charges for access to the truth. You have just proven your gulibility.
July 16, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you on Scientologists. Also extremist Jews in cases like Lieberman where the country comes second. And Bush-types, where there is some kind of weird idea about Revelations and the Middle East. And anybody that dresses like they work at Frontierland.
July 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you are going to believe in some imaginary BS the least you could do is believe in some mainstream imaginary BS.
WTF????? Speaking of BS, this is a truly bizarre statement, IMNSHO. Please, please justify.
July 16, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a difference between believing the dominant myth of your society and believing an outlier myth.
July 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
All religions suck. Someday long after I am gone perhaps the human race will transcend theology and achieve adulthood.
July 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
perhaps the human race will transcend theology and achieve adulthood.
Maybe. And maybe the dice will come up boxcars 44 times in a row. Tell you what, I'll give you ten-to-1.
July 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I voted for a muslim in a congressional race, he won by a landslide. I regret it more and more every day. I helped elect him to start a jihad on capitol hill, but nooooooo! He is patriotic, he wants to look out for the interests of all Minnesotans and all Amercians. You just can't trust a muslim to be as evil as you expect.
July 16, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Give him time. In due course, he will activate the Congressional sleeper cell that has been in place years before his election.
The problem is that he is having trouble identifying the cell because so many in Congress are asleep at the wheel.
July 16, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/what-a-lot-of-us-have-been-wai.php
July 16, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's false denials that he ever engaged in Muslim practices (like attending mosque on Friday nights with his stepfather Lolo in Indonesia and reading aloud from the Koran in Arabic at Indonesian public school) not only lower his credibility but imply that any Muslim connection should be seen as indecent.
Why can't Barack admit his Muslim heritage while emphasizing he is a Christian now (since converting in his twenties when he joined Trinity)?
July 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please supply citations for your claims.
July 16, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of the time that Mike Piazza was rumored to be gay. He vigorously denied it but never offered the caveat "not that there's anything wrong with that".
Sadly, many many Americans still equate being a muslim to being a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer. We can thank bushco and the raving right for propagating this nonsense.
Great posts all around,except for Dr. Zaius, you douchebag!
July 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to be the contrarian here, but it's always seemed to me that many of the problems we as a culture are already afflicted with stem directly from the pervasiveness here of Christianity. With that in mind, I'm deeply uncomfortable with what I see as widespread liberal promotion of another patriarchal, authoritarian, socially regressive Abrahamic religion, simply because this non-native religion happens to be an object of scorn among our native religionists and right-wingers generally.
People, the enemy of your enemy is not always and automatically your friend. Normative Islam is if anything more wrong on all the social issues we care about than normative Christianity. Islamic clerics regularly advocate a level of social conservatism far beyond anything the likes of Pat Robertson would ever dream of proposing. The only reason American Muslims aren't already one of the GOP's most reliable voting blocks is that the conservative movement remains uncomfortable with integrating non-Christians and people of color. As the current generation ages out of the movement, though, that will very likely change, and our Religious Right will become an interfaith coalition.
July 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
For me, the issue isn't promotion. The fact is that no religion should be promoted or demoted over another. Clearly, there are serious issues associated with many faiths. My beef is with the fact that the association of Muslims to Terrorism is wrong.
July 16, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Terrorism is the social wrong of Islam that Americans are most focused on. "Terrorism" is nothing compared to what Islam is doing in Sudan, for example. If you could find an Islamic community anywhere in the world that you would be comfortable living in as a liberal, it would be one that is not very Islamic.
July 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
The issue isn't what Islamic community in the world a liberal would be comfortable living in but what practitioner of Islam living in the United States would a liberal be comfortable electing as our president.
July 17, 2008 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Terrorism is the social wrong of Islam that Americans are most focused on. "Terrorism" is nothing compared to what Islam is doing in Sudan, for example.
I am flabbergasted by both you and Geater and your blithe, sangfroid utterances that could be so easily interpreted as bigotry.
Are you accusing the Islamic religion itself of the horror in Darfur? Are you aware that there is no more a single Islamic religion than there is a single Christian religion? Are you aware that the same practices we now call terrorism were practiced by the American rebels with barely a single Muslim in the bunch? And the Israelis rebels, very few of whom were Islamic?
Are you aware that European Jewery owes its very survival in large part to North African Muslims during the Christian Inquistitions?
In short, are you actually a bigot or merely hyper-ignorant?
July 16, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink