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Pastor Warren admits there was no cone of silence...


Warren was interviewed on CNN and was asked specifically about the "cone of silence" and initally laughed it off, but when further pushed on the issue said there wasn't any and that John McCain wasn't even in the building for the first half of Obama's questioning. 

The "cone of silence" it turns out was just McCain's word he wouldn't listen, and Pastor Rick took him at his word. 

Why make a big deal about mentioning a "cone of silence" if there wasn't one, other than one mans word.  McCain has flat out lied so much this campaign season, his word is really worthless.

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Supposedly McCain blamed traffic congestion as the reason why he was late getting to the church. Warren said he asked McCain is he heard any of the broadcast and McCain said he did not.

Even if you take McCain at his word that he didn't hear the broadcast, that doesn't mean somebody didn't text/phone him the questions.

Something stinks.

McCain doesn't text.

But Cindy does. His staff does. His body man does. His advance team does. And Lindsay Graham? My bet is he's packin' a Crackberry.

Notice Warren said only he didn't see the broadcast or hear the audio. No word on whether or not the cell phones were confiscated.

Members of the McCain team were no doubt listening to Obama's questions live. The key question is whether this info was passed along. It seems likely that it was. If true, then it points to a frightening similarity between the operating procedures of McCain and the Bush administration, namely, deniability of the commander in chief. The Bush cabinet will puposefully keep their boss in the dark on certain issues (e.g. torture, wiretap, fake intelligence) to protect him from future prosecution. In this case an advisor will tell McCain he 'might' (wink) get a question on SC Justices, McCain is ready for the question and can still easily deny knowledge of cheating. Now let me say that 'cheating' on a debate is a far lesser offense, but quite telling of what we will see from a McCain administration.

Interesting. Thanks.

Found this vid over at Kos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n83M-jgOaJQ&e

I watched it live, and that YouTube is misleading because it cuts the question out - makes it look like there was no question. Not to say that McCain didn't cheat, but the video itself is bogus. He was fast on the answers, but not THAT fast.

Wait 'til we get a real debate.

Sorry Jonze, for the double post. Your flying fingers beat me to it...

Ah, ah, now the truth is coming up. I am sure there was something odd, McBushSame was acting nervous, but he never took time to think about his answers...

His answers were always short, as if he knew what to say.

thank you for the story,

Adding this to the fact that mcbush seemed to have plagiarized from Soljenitsin...

Another reasons why McBushSame, aka the war mongerer can not be elected...

This is inaccurate. I watched the forum and he was asked the questions to which he replied yes, yes.... I hate McCain but we don't need to lie about all of this. He may have had the questions in advance, but a doctored YouTube is not how to get the point across.

I don't believe it is doctored, I remember it as it is shown in the youtube, but I'll try and double check.

The clip isn't doctored, that's the way it happened. If Warren had an iota of integrity, he'd have called McCain on it then and there and stopped the questioning.

This is a better clip. Education starts at about 1:50 into the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbCfWEQesQ&feature=related
No questions were asked yet.

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Thanks for the link.
What is interesting to me was how nervous Warren became after the response-without-a-question. I could imagine Warren kicking McCain under the table in order to keep appearances.

As an Evangelical, I respect Warren, but is he really willing to believe a man who:

-cheated on his first wife

-lied about the cause of the Sunni Awakening

-lies about any and all previous statements

-lies about DHL and Ohio

-lies about his statements on economics

-lies in most campaign ads

-and probably lied about his "cross story" (see
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/mccains-cross-i.html)


Really??

If he was late getting to the church, why were they showing him standing somewhere on the grounds with a religious figure putting his hands upon McCain's forehead before Obama spoke?

I am so angry now and so fired up now. I hope it will be on reported on the media.

It is a disgrace, if it was the case that McBush was late, then they should have waited...

McCain's statement: My friends, I would never cheat....and did you know I was a POW?

Or that McCain could have had a televison in his car and was watching the program all the way there. I wouldn't put anything past these repukes.

Reminds me of that odd little rectangle under Bush's suit back when he was debating...

The GOP does not nominate eggheads. They don't have any... period. Thus the amiable goofs they do send before the electorate always need a little "assistance."

As always, as always, the big question is why the MSM don't call them on their cheatin' ways.

Speaking of which, once Barack and McCain get in on in the national debates, I insist that the latter be patted down, ears checked for earbuds, etc. No smuggling audio assistance puhleez.

What I would like to see is Obama at the debate, without saying a word, opening his suit, lifting the back of it and slowly turning around. Then slowly buttoning it back up. I bet the audience would applaud wildly.

No need to put McCain on the spot, and yet it would.

I like it. :D

reposted from Jade's post:

I hope that everyone emails CNN and other media outlets expressing their outrage!

Warren lied! 'Just kiddin'!' doesn't work for this issue.

I am so angry. Perhpas McCain didn't 'listen' but bet you the election that his cohorts did and prepped him big time!

Warren should be ashamed! McCain obviously isn't capable of feeling shame.

And Warren will play the victim and thus rally his supporters against Obama and the crazy Left calling Pastor Warren a liar.

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So what is the alternative? To let McCain get away with cheating? What if Obama had gone second and had not been accounted for during the first half -- why only the first half? -- when did McCain actually get there? Why should we believe he got there any earlier than 5 minutes ahead?

If Warren plays the victim it is just an indication that he is not honorable. He should stand on his principles and say what actually happened. A little late, but if he doesn't he shows himself as a fraud.

I just watched a clip of Rick Sanchez of CNN interviewing Warren about the "cone of silence".
Warren looked like he had pie on his face...a bit defensive.

It was so, so obvious McCain watched the whole session with Obama before he hit the stage. What a petty, deceitful little man...McLiar. I believe Warren knew it and got caught red handed when McCain jumped the shark on the supreme court justice question.

I assume Rick Warren composed these questions beforehand (were they on a teleprompter) and it's likely that one of McCain's fans from the church gave the questions to someone in McCain's camp. That would have given McCain time to prepare.

Here's the McCain Camp response to this -

Nicolle Wallace, a spokeswoman for Mr. McCain, said on Sunday night that Mr. McCain had not heard the broadcast of the event while in his motorcade and heard none of the questions. “The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/223559/885/1016/569531

Now I can't personally verify if this is legit so I posted where I got it from.

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous," of course cheating numerous times on his wife doesn't count, or the Keating Five scandal for that matter. Two times where POW McCain admitted guilt (though after the fact).

McCain is really becoming "noun, verb and POW".

Okay the kos diary linked to a NYTimes article - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/us/politics/18mccain.html?ref=politics

So the quote is legit.

Jonze,

That's a dangerous rhetorical turn the McCain camp is making...

Return to "tailgunner Joe" indeed.

So now former prisoners of war, ipso facto, are honest? And NOT TO BE QUESTIONED?

There is simply no depth in the cesspool the republicans will not dive to in their quest for eternal power.

He didn't have to hear a damned thing. He could have had the Qs fed to him in any number of ways.

This isn't the Pastor covering for him. McSame wasn't where Pastor Rick said he would be, making a liar out of the good Pastor.

And as you noted: he cheated on his wife, Keating 5...and he's lying now.

We're in a "hit dog will holler" land, what with all this histrionic "he's a POW" stuff.

Geeze...this is supposed to be his base and he still had to cheat? Pathetic!

You know, as someone who was a member of the generation that was sent to Viet Nam I have known, naturally, a lot of Viet Nam vets and a couple of former POWS. I have not noticed that they are any better or any worse than the general run of the population. Some would cheat, some wouldn't. I really don't understand this whole assumption of moral superiority. To decide if someone would cheat one really needs to look at the record of a person's actions, not just one experience. McCain's record will not hold up under examination.

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said."

Maybe McCheat *forgot* he watched the whole damn session with Barack before he hit the stage.
WTF does his POW status have to do with this?


Has the Obama campaign even mentioned this? What's the basis for saying it "insinuated"?

Andrea Mitchell mentioned that Obama's camp was pushing the "not in cone" issue though backdoor routes.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that a campaign is insisting on sitting down with the head of a station. It would be different if McCain challenged Fox to be unbiased in the same breath, at least that would give him some credibility.

Over at Politico you should see the rage at NBC for the "biased" coverage of daring to question McCain's cone of silence.

But McCain was a POW for 5 and 1/2 years. He can cheat and lie about his wife and abandon her. And 25 years later, lie about anything he wants to, to become President. He's earned that from us all. And shame on any of us who dare to question his 5 1/2 years as a POW (did we mention, he was a POW tortured for 5 1/2 years? okay then) for any crazy or duplicitous thing he does or says...ever. Free Pass for life.

So nothing to see here. Move alone. This is not the honour or honest faith based forum you were looking for. Move along. The MSM and the McCain camp have a story to tell about a crisp, smart, decisive leader. Your facts about his cheating, are just getting in the way. Please move along. Elections to win, countries to destroy.

9/11 has been replaced, by "a noun, verb, and POW." McCain is lair.

Someone should put together a commercial that features all the rulings the supreme court members McCain doesn't like have voted for, and superimpose the fact that none of these things would be law if McCain had his way. It would be a long and powerful list.

Where's the scruples?

An honest man, an honorable man, a man with scruples would have said right up front, and in a church of God, no less, that he was not in the cone of silence. Instead McCain allowed everyone to believe that he was in fact in the cone of silence. When does silence become a lie?

But then again, where is the honesty and scruples when telling the story about the cross in the dirt?

Scruples? Does McCain have any?

I just made another donation to Obama. I like the fact that Obama is an honest man, an honorable man, and a man with real scruples.

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of course mccain's ability to lie without thought or discomfort is well known.

the historical piece published not long ago by an AZ reporter showing McCain both sandbagging his state's governor on water issues, then immediately lying about it, calling the charge ridiculous.

this was the beehive hairdo woman who still has nothing good to say about McGasbag.

and of course his team is run by the same rovian's that miked bush during his kerry debate.

disgustingly without any honor whatsoever.

McGoo needs no Cone Of Silence when so many have Hats Of Assery.

At least the story is getting play, and if there was foul play, the McCain camp is not fully getting away with it.

I keep looking at the transcript and video, along with the subsequent media coverage. Rick Warren used the present tense to refer to McCain being in the cone of silence at the start of the forum. However, we know that he was not. Warren also asked McCain at the start of his session how comfortable he was in the cone of silence. McCain claimed he tried to listen through the walls. But we know that for at least 30 minutes and maybe longer, he wasn't in the cone of silence, let alone in the building. We also know that Warren has claimed he gave the candidates a heads-up on either the first, or the first two questions. But I linger on that part of the transcript where McCain, eager to talk about judges and unborn babies, seems to want to answer a question out of order and Warren says "you got all my questions, good." At this point, well past the first two questions, with McCain referring to a future --as yet unasked -- question, Warren's reference seems all encompassing. Not just about one or two questions, but all of his questions.

This is like playing Concentration. We're getting a rebus picture as the clues unfold, and to me it's a picture lying and cheating.

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If anyone in his staff had a Sprint phone they could have watched it live on CNN on their phone. McCain didn't watch or listen himself but his team wrote all the questions down for him so he wouldn't have to lie; right?

I'm not saying they are lying but I am saying that we have zero reason to trust him!

"Pastor" Warren admited that he lied when he said on air that McCain was "in the cone".

He did his best to wiggle his way out of the question, but finally had to concede that he told a big fib.

What he kept trying to say was that HE didn't give THEM the questions ahead of time. But he didn't say anything about who composed the questions, when that was done, how the questions were stored before the event, how many people had access to the questions, etc. etc.

All he really said about it all was that he "trusted" both candidates that they would not "cheat" (my words). I don't think Obama would cheat, mostly because he didn't have to - but he is after all, a politician. McCain on the other hand lies about everything.

SO - WHY THE HECK does "Pastor" Warren trust McCain?? The answer was revealed with the "evil" question - that was intended to help McCain to gloss over the trouble he caused himself with his own "evil" comments when he was talking about Falwell & Co. That showed exactly what "Pastor" Warren's intentions were with this phooney baloney "debate" that was supposed to be a "forum."

It's probably moot, though, because I think that McBush probably had one of those miniature ear phones that Bush used to unfair advantage in his debates. They are probably even smaller now after four years of development. Obama doesn't have access to this kind of technology. LOL

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