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August 9, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think this will be news simply because the Republicans don't want it to be news because it brings attention back to John McCain's serial adultery.
August 9, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to put this excerpt in for those who don't just click onto posts that only provide links without any information. I hope this gets more people to check it out:
August 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I should say overwhelm the news for long. Obviously it is news.
August 9, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is news, Joe?
The smoking gun has been declared this week, against Bush and Cheney for declaring their war against Suddam Hussein and possibly authorizing a a forged letter, yet all we can talk about is Edwards?
Yes, I suppose that's news.
I'm tired of the wrong news. Aren't you?
August 9, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. By news I mean it is getting play on the news not that it deserves a ton of airplay.
August 9, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't think this required any further comment, but just in case anyone doesn't get it - the wrong news is being reported. The bullshit of who fucks whom is not about Edwards, it is about Bush/Cheney and Co. fucking the United States of America and our so-called journalism bending over and asking for more. That's the real obscenity here. That's the real immorality.
What kind of heads-up-their-asses idiots are we that we can get so easily distracted by such utter crap when our nation has been under attack for years? When are we going to focus on the real priorities?
Folks, we need to hold the press accountable to show their outrage over what really counts and leave petty sex scandals to their proper place on page 5. If we had any journalism left in this country, we would have an outraged public that would make Watergate look like a minor case of shoplifting.
And if it weren't for the internet and the blogs, none of us would know jack shit. Isn't it time to speak up? Isn't it time to do something about this, or are we going to watch the Olympics and tsk tsk over something that John Edwards did a couple of years ago and that he and his wife have already dealt with privately?
I think Amato did a pretty good job of naming his site, and a pretty good job of refocusing the issues in the post I linked to. It's way past time we the people started making some real noise and holding the MSM to the fire. That's what I believe in.
I'm all for peace and love, but I'm for truth first. Once the truth is out, there will be time for healing, maybe even forgiveness if it will move us as a country - as a world - to a higher plane. Or, if not, then we are doomed to keep repeating the same pattern of abuse over and over and never evolving to something better.
Probably that's the real truth - that we are a race too flawed and too selfish ever to rise above our greed and bigotry, but I keep hoping I'm wrong. I keep thinking it's okay to be a dreamer because I know I'm not the only one.
But there aren't enough of us, are there?
August 9, 2008 1:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely priceless! OK, let me go over some of your more ridiculous points:
> The US dollar is in the tank.
This is a result of low interest rates, set by the FED. It boosts exports and manufacturing jobs BTW.
> The housing/mortgage crisis has almost caused >a depression.
Because GWB made a lot of risky loans? Or did banks make bad loans to people who weren't able to repay? Did people buy houses thinking prices could only go up? And that is Bush's fault how?
> How about the trampling of our Constitution >with warrantless wiretapping?
Yes the cherished right to talk to overseas foreign terrorists in private. (I note that when Obama in the past supported laws that blatantly violated the 2nd amendment, that was ok.)
> Under Bush, oil companies are raking in >record profits while Americans suffer.
Oil company profits are up because the price of oil is up. Their profit margin is only 8.8%, so they are not making profits greater than most companies. People are suffering because they bought giant SUV's, whose fault was that?
> A health care epidemic.
Caused by Bush? So things were fine under Clinton, and health care only became a problem NOW?
> A standing ovation in Congress for David >Vitter’s return.
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> Larry Craig’s bathroom adventure.
The last two are just great. You complain that FINALLY someone reported on Edwards affairs, and insist that this type of stuff shouldn't be news, then go on to complain that there was not more reporting (other than the massive, non stop coverage for weeks and all the jokes on late night TV etc) on Vitter and Craig. There is no way to compare the intentional lack of coverage of Edwards to the massive coverage of Craig, and Craig is not on the VP short list.
August 9, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice attempt at misdirection, bull-dog. The point is, there are truly serious problems concerning this administration, not the least of which is the allegation that they created a forged letter to use in their case to take us into a war that we should never have gone into and that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and destroyed the infrastructure of a country that was not a real threat to us and had nothing to do with the attacks on us. It was all a huge lie.
You can go on and on about Vitter and Craig in an attempt to demean a larger argument, start citing all kinds of economic "facts" to prove your point (and you know, economics is one of the most mutable subjects, open to all kinds of interpretations - and the responsibility is often far less obvious than it seems)... Yes, do try to shift away from the real issues, just like the news media are doing now.
Apparently you're more interested in defending your dear Republican friends than in defending our country and the truths upon which it was founded.
I don't defend Edwards any more than I defend Vitter and Craig - though legislating anti-gay and being gay does strike me as a very high level of hypocrisy. But we live in a country that is dysfunctional when it comes to sex, and because of that people are always going to violate our prudish mores - politicians among them. Report it? Sure. But not at the expense of reporting serious allegations against our government for complicity in fraud. No. Sorry, that should be the front page and that should occupy the flapping mouths of pundits on the 24-hour cycle until the real enormity of what our government has done sinks into even the dullest minds.
August 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It always comes down to Iraq. This so called fake letter has never even been shown to exist, just a ploy to sell more books. When will people understand that Bush didn't need to convince you of squat, he didn't need your approval to go to war. It was his call as CINC, so stop with all the goofy conspiracy theories. Other than Iraq, most of what people blame Bush for (like the housing market) he had nothing to do with.
August 9, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
In my humble opinion, Bush never did legally go to war because only Congress has the right to declare war. Bush used technicalities, lies and misinformation to get the Congress to authorize him to use force if necessary, all the while convincing them falsely that Saddam has WMDs. It was a snow job, and, yes, some of it does come down to Iraq, though I think there are many other charges against this administration that can and should be heard in a legal proceeding, whether it is impeachment or a court of law.
Your dogged (pun in tended) defense of these people is a sign of great loyalty on your part, but loyalty to liars and thieves is nothing I would be proud of.
August 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, in part it DOES come down to Iraq. Bush does not have the power to declare war. Congress does. And Bush lied and misled the Congress, manufacturing evidence and falsely claiming that Saddam was a direct threat to our country in order to get them to pass a resolution that allowed him the use of force, but only when diplomatic means had been exhausted.
It was all a snow job, and it has been exposed, piece by piece. How many times did they change their story? I lost count. First it was WMDs and Saddam's rape rooms. Then it was bringing democracy. There were other justifications for the illegal attack and occupation of Iraq, but never was the truth told - that it was about oil and military positioning in the Middle East.
Of course, we all know what a great success it was - for Haliburton and the oil companies, but not for the American people who paid excessively for this war that was supposed to be so quick and easy and paid for by Iraqi oil, and not for the Iraqis themselves, whose homes and families have been destroyed because of the hubris and greed of a few tyrants.
Of course your dogged (pun intended) defense of your beloved neocons is a laudable example of your ultimate traits of loyalty - a Republican's best friend, bulldog? - but I personally would rather not be hitching my wagon to liars and thieves.
August 9, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double posting. Some TPM shenanigans.
August 9, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't feed the trolls. Only the 4th syllable of his screen name is real!
August 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I respect the bulldog's right to his opinion. I dislike people who just insult others, but if he wants to put forth his arguments, he has the right to do so.
I may disagree with him 99% of the time, but there's always a chance that I'll learn something from him. And if not, I still don't mind if he expresses himself with substantive arguments, even if I think they are often bogus or meant to obfuscate. If we can't listen to someone else's point of view, then what are we here for?
August 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is how his first response began:
He obviously has no respect for your opinions. But anyway, you say you might learn from his "substantive" posts. This section below is pretty typical:
This is simply a republican talking point; that wiretapping without a warrant was necessary (not true) in order to listen to those people who are plotting with terrorists. From what I understand hundreds of thousands of conversations have been tapped; has there even been one arrest? Certainly if our own citizens are truly talking to terrorists and planning deeds with them, there might have been an arrest or two out of the many tappings.
Lastly the accusation of Obama going along with violations of the second ammendment -- WITHOUT any example or citing, is just more of the same.
If you want to give this guy respect, go ahead, but he is a troll and does what trolls do -- use up real estate on blogs to get people off-message.
August 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say I learned anything this time, but I've heard from bulldog before. Sometimes he almost makes sense. And his version of insult is pretty mild, I think you'll agree, compared with some of our esteemed members.
August 9, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
ACBD: "Bush didn't lie, he had the power to wage war as CinC, the health care mess is Clinton's fault, and Obama voted against the Second Amendment."
The rest of us: "Damn, would you look at that - a talking dog!"
By the way, it wasn't the wiretapping that was a problem, it was the WARRANTLESS wiretapping in willful violation of Federal law that was the problem. And the Shrub admitted doing it (committing a felony) on national teevee.
Anybody remember the Far Side cartoon where the dog brags to his buddy outside the car that he's going to the vet to get "tutored"?
August 9, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN is running non stop crap about Edwards, et al.
They even read Elizabeth's post with the plea to please leave them alone and then proceed on to the next scum sucking detail.
Okay, he had an affair. Shame on him. tsk tsk -
If only CNN and other media expressed even a modicum of like moral outrage over things such as listed on referenced link.
What they are doing is more shameful than Edward's adultery and lies!
The inmates are truly running the media asylum!
Gag.
August 9, 2008 1:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Why aren't the talking heads blathering on and on 24 hours a day about the smoking gun, about the corruption and abuse this country has taken all these years from this group of criminals?
I'll tell you, things in Washington are rarely secrets. I would bet dollars to McCain's donuts that Edwards' affair has been known for a long time. It surfaced when? Now? Okay. I don't know that it was a calculated and fortuitously times strike, but I have my suspicions. I believe that people in Washington have a lot of dirt on each other and they stay quiet. But sometimes people break the rules.
This could be one of those cases. I'm just saying, never underestimate the depravity of the neocons. Republicans might once have had some sense of honor, but this group has none. Not a shred of it.
August 9, 2008 1:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
National Enguirer admits they had an 'informant'.
And thanks for post Raider - rec'd. Am cutting and pasting link to send to many.
As always, greatly appreciate all your contributions!
August 9, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Media misdirection ? Is it an accident ? Who does make all those dollars off the "militarization of our corporations" Boeing adds.
Man alive sometimes I just have to get out my MSM to George Orwell to English dictionary to even begin to cut thru all this propaganda ...
"war is peace " YIKES !!
August 9, 2008 5:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
David Gregory is a smirking hack. And a freakishly tall giant, into the bargain.
August 9, 2008 6:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
The question is, "How do you get the AUDIENCE to demand news (whatever you consider news) from the MSM?
It's not the media's fault, really. We all know the National Enquirer et al are gold mines because the audience (and it's not just American audience) loves that crap--we actually pay to be voyeurs via reality TV!
I think the Edwards "news" would be short-lived as long as those interested get what they are after--the complete dirt. The quicker the paternity test the better. And he should be pressed to get it done so that this doesn't drag on for weeks.
August 9, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm voting with those who suspect that this is a gold mine for the MSM to be able to divert attention to several serious breaking items, the forged letter, the DHL deal in Ohio... just to suspicious, to me. And once again I feel so effing powerless that we can't convey to the people who really and truly believe that news people report the news that that is not, in fact, the case.
August 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that soon we will be able to offer you an alternative to feeling powerless. We're working on it.
August 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bulldog has made some fair points here, particularly about Vitter and Craig, as well as the members of the public who chose to buy gas guzzling SUVs rather than smaller cars. I'd like to encourage democrats here to understand that the issues the Dog has pointed out are not black and white - it is also fair to address consumer behavior.
It is fair to point out that the "health care crisis" is less a crisis and more the result of 70+ million aging baby boomers and WWII generation aged people; and older people require more care toward the end of their lives. This is a shift in demand for health care, which would cause stress in any system. That is the basic economics of it. I would remind the Dog, however, that efforts to obtain greater coverage prior to this spike (which was well foreseen) in demand were effectively demonized and blocked by the pharmaceutical and insurance companies in the 90's, with the assistance of congress, controlled by the Republicans.
The current economic problems are a result of a confluence of events, and not all of them were dominoes set up by the Bush administration.
Did people buy houses thinking prices could only go up? Yes, they did - and not only that, many kept the homes they owned as rentals, and leveraged themselves to the hilt to get their next home. Profits in turning homes were available and Banks were declining fewer and fewer mortgage loans.
Fed members are appointed by the President and confirmed by congress - including the most recent chairman, Bernanke. Therefore the president does have some culpability in nominating members who have continued to use inflationary monetary policy as economic stimulus. As the Dog points out, that a low dollar is not necessarily bad - just unsustainable, as inflation is bad
Bank failures are typically due to liquidity; so are the problems at FNMA, and at Bear Stearns, etc. The regulators never required these institutions to increase their reserves in proportion to risks. And banks don't want to - holding cash significantly reduces profits. You can blame both the administration and congress as neither governing body lobbied the Fed or other regulators nor passed any legislation to increase reserves.
The Bush administration (as well as other state governments) has reduced the frequency of examinations and reduced the number of regulators. Lenders like this - their compliance costs have dropped. But there is no one holding the reins as they made increasingly risky underwriting decisions - why not? You can package them and sell them to someone else, through Bear Stearns or another investment bank!
What the Bush administration is indictable for, however, is a failure to do the job of the executive branch. They did not faithfully execute the laws of this country; they did so selectively, to benefit key constituents.
Individuals will suffer for their own choices; banks will fail. But it is our responsibility as voters to elect an executive who will carry out the responsibilities of government and mitigate these areas of concern, for the benefit of as many as possible.
August 9, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll just repond to the most glaring error in your post: Aging baby boomers are not THE cause of the health care crisis. Insurance companies, and their for-profit stranglehold on medical care are. Employers are offering less insurance, or NO insurance, and without being in a group an individual has no hedge against getting gouged by these greedy companies who offer no actual service at all.
Young people with families who can't afford insurance; and people of all ages who had the bad luck/misfortune to actually have an illness that puts them in a category of extremely high insurance premiums and copays -- add on exclusions for any pre-existing conditions -- that is the tip of the iceberg.
As long as the "insurance" companies are driven by profit they will suck up dollars that could otherwise be used to provide health care just like it is done in every other progressive country in the world. Those companies provide absolutely no service and are simply gate-keepers who charge as if they were scalpers.
Look at our health statistics, and compare them to England, France or Germany. Then see what they spend per capita. I am on my way out the door or I would provide citations. It doesn't take much to get the info, though.
Who are the losers against Bush's base, which he describes as the "haves-and have-mores?" The rest of the American people; and the last time I looked, the French, English and Germans are getting old just like we are.
August 10, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Got it! Thanks. I share the sentiments that it is rather sick and sad that the media would steer our attention to Edwards affair and barely note the criminal acts and betrayals of this adminstration....
I personally do now want to know about other people's sex lives... republican or democrat.
August 9, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink