I'm not panicking, and here's why
I'm not panicking. I keep reading the concern trolls and the wingnut blogs, because if there's a reason to panic I don't want to be oblivious to it. But I'm not panicking, at least not yet. Here's why.
For one thing, I can see that a lot of the concern trolling about polls is based on cherry-picking the worst polls and ignoring the best, AND ignoring the to-be-expected convention bounce, AND ignoring margins of error in electoral college projections, etc. I think some of the concern trolls understand this and just like to throw people into a tizzy by tossing concern bombs into the cafe.
I see Palin as a net weakness for McCain. AT BEST McCain's selection of Palin forced McCain to go into full-time lying mode. And not subtle lies, but lies so blatant that McCain has lost a lot of the free passes he used to get from the media. He's got no choice. Palin's story without the facade of lies would send all but the hardest of hard-core evangelical wingnuts running.
And that's the best case. There's still a very good chance of any number of things blowing up in a way that would be fatal to McCain's campaign. Troopergate <i>might</i> get squashed. But it might not. The boldest of the concern trolls and the boldest of the wingnuts try to explain away Palin's interview answers as being crafty or even brilliant, but that's wishful thinking. She's out of her depth and bluffing and lying non-stop.
She might pull it off, learning enough to wing her way through the debates and interviews, and stonewalling investigations until after the election at least, and brazenly lying about everything else, but that just puts her in the position of having to sell those lies for six more weeks. That's not a strong position.
And more importantly, it puts McCain in the position of having to sell those lies alongside her, alienating the pundits who used to have some inexplicable respect for his alleged integrity.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for Obama to lose. Obviously there are any number of things that could go wrong.
But I am saying, ignore the concern trolls.
Wait and see how the polls start to settle out over the next few weeks, as more data and more up-to-date data becomes available on the electoral map analyses. And be sure to read up on "margin of error" if you don't understand it so the concern trolls who don't understand it or pretend not to understand it can't use statistically bogus analysis to sell their concerns.
Wait and see if the "McCain is lying" meme catches fire, since the results so far look promising. He's losing a lot of the free pass and presumption of integrity that he's gotten for too long.
Wait and see how the media treat interviews with Palin, when they're given the chance. Charlie Gibson of all people gave a semi-tough interview for Palin. The disdain McCain is showing for the media now may provoke more of thesame.
Wait and see what troopergate brings out, or other results from the vetting that's finally happening for Palin.
None of these things have been happening long enough yet for extrapolations to be meaningful. Wait a bit. There will be enough time to panic later, if necessary.
For one thing, I can see that a lot of the concern trolling about polls is based on cherry-picking the worst polls and ignoring the best, AND ignoring the to-be-expected convention bounce, AND ignoring margins of error in electoral college projections, etc. I think some of the concern trolls understand this and just like to throw people into a tizzy by tossing concern bombs into the cafe.
I see Palin as a net weakness for McCain. AT BEST McCain's selection of Palin forced McCain to go into full-time lying mode. And not subtle lies, but lies so blatant that McCain has lost a lot of the free passes he used to get from the media. He's got no choice. Palin's story without the facade of lies would send all but the hardest of hard-core evangelical wingnuts running.
And that's the best case. There's still a very good chance of any number of things blowing up in a way that would be fatal to McCain's campaign. Troopergate <i>might</i> get squashed. But it might not. The boldest of the concern trolls and the boldest of the wingnuts try to explain away Palin's interview answers as being crafty or even brilliant, but that's wishful thinking. She's out of her depth and bluffing and lying non-stop.
She might pull it off, learning enough to wing her way through the debates and interviews, and stonewalling investigations until after the election at least, and brazenly lying about everything else, but that just puts her in the position of having to sell those lies for six more weeks. That's not a strong position.
And more importantly, it puts McCain in the position of having to sell those lies alongside her, alienating the pundits who used to have some inexplicable respect for his alleged integrity.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for Obama to lose. Obviously there are any number of things that could go wrong.
But I am saying, ignore the concern trolls.
Wait and see how the polls start to settle out over the next few weeks, as more data and more up-to-date data becomes available on the electoral map analyses. And be sure to read up on "margin of error" if you don't understand it so the concern trolls who don't understand it or pretend not to understand it can't use statistically bogus analysis to sell their concerns.
Wait and see if the "McCain is lying" meme catches fire, since the results so far look promising. He's losing a lot of the free pass and presumption of integrity that he's gotten for too long.
Wait and see how the media treat interviews with Palin, when they're given the chance. Charlie Gibson of all people gave a semi-tough interview for Palin. The disdain McCain is showing for the media now may provoke more of thesame.
Wait and see what troopergate brings out, or other results from the vetting that's finally happening for Palin.
None of these things have been happening long enough yet for extrapolations to be meaningful. Wait a bit. There will be enough time to panic later, if necessary.
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I very much agree.
I think McCain/Palin have peaked in the polls already. The Rep. convention is now a week past and Obama has chipped away at the bounce that the convention and Palin gave the ticket. Every day he has narrowed the gap(s) in the various daily tracking polls. More importantly than the nationl polls, are the state polls and in the both Michigan and Penn. Obama is leading and is within the margin of error in Ohio.
The final kicker will be that Obama will destroy McCain in the debates. McCain (and Palin) will not be allowed to get away with the platitudes that they both use in their stump speeches. If the questioners don't call them on it, Obama will.
September 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also read up on "likely voter" methodology. The polls are going to be even further off than they were during the primaries since many of the people voting for Obama won't be polled.
Polls are designed to create a given narrative - The Horse Race. They only call those voters with land lines who have voted in the last two years. They are manufactured opinions. They are propaganda. One more reason not to worry.
September 13, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will tell you this, if those national polls show anywhere near A two point advantage for either candidate, I think Obama will win. If he is up 2 or more, he is winning by 5. Bank on that statement there is an enormous sextion of the electorate that isn't being polled AT ALL.
September 13, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
why is someone a concern troll for being concerned?
you may think all is well and the polls are all wrong for whatever reason, but they are not!
when they all show a direction towards mccain you can bet your ass that is the way the vote is going.
and if you are not concerned and worried even, then you are a fool troll.
September 13, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because he thinks that's an insult and he feels threatened by those who disagree with him.
September 13, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You wish. No, simply being concerned doesn't make one a concern troll.
What earns someone the "concern troll" label is consistently straining to find, manufacture and exaggerate concerns.
A sub-species of concern troll, fairly common here, would be the Hillary dead-enders who appear desperate to find vindication for their view that Hillary was the only good choice. (Never mind that if Hillary were on the ticket at all then McCain wouldn't have had to pick someone to energize his base.) And so they end up clinging to every downtick in any poll, they somehow convince themselves that Palin was a marvelous choice, a brilliant choice, and that Palin means that Obama is doooooooooooomed.
The bottom line is that you should treat their arguments they way you'd treat a wingnut's argument. I.e., with great skepticism. If it helps, you can just wander over to your favorite wingnut site and find the same arguments being made over there, although with feigned glee instead of feigned concern.
September 14, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Being concerned and being overly concerned to the point of lashing out, continuously citing and (incorrectly) analyzing nothing but polls to make your case are two different things. I think he's referring to the latter (and can correct me if he so chooses).
Of course, what the concern trolls fail to acknowledge are every single variable in this race that will have an impact on election day. That, or they just fail to acknowledge the ones that are pluses and positives for Obama.
Not to mention the simple fact that being concerned accomplishes nothing positive, especially being overly concerned and constantly expressing those concerns to the point of nihilistic pessimism. It happens all to often for my liking.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/patience-and-steel.php
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/its-happening-were-you-prepare.php
Look at the positives, not the negatives. Fight for the future, not for the present. And never, ever lose your morale. Stay strong and see this through to the end.
September 13, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
nice of you to decide that being concerned means being over concerned.
and you are just plain wrong about what concern achieves.
its a signal that all is not right.
sure stay positive and fight onh, but you wont see clear dismissing reality.
September 13, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you not read, or not read closely enough, what I wrote?
Being concerned and being overly concerned to the point of lashing out, continuously citing and (incorrectly) analyzing nothing but polls to make your case are two different things.I think he's referring to the latter (and can correct me if he so chooses).
Concern, especially about polls, but also about strategy (have you ever managed a national Presidential Campaign? ...) accomplishes nothing. Accepting the fact that there's issues, such as the fact that Obama's down right now (which in my opinion isn't even a huge issue), and then finding a way to work to correct the issues, is another.
Being concerned fuels nothing positive. And if you want to spend your time sweating buckets over this whole thing, rather than calmly and coolly working to progress the message and see that Obama wins, then fine, go for it. But don't push it on me. I'll have none of it. I'm not ignorant about the current situation. But I see no reason to get my knickers in a bunch over it. Maybe you do. If you do, then I feel bad for you.
September 14, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do you base your opinion about the polls on? Because they have been so right this year? Because the demographics don't make their methodology effective in today's society? Do you know anything about polling methods? Who they talk to and what questions they ask?
Do you believe everything you are told?
If you want to be afraid of shadows and worry about national polls that don't measure the electoral college then go for it. It's same thing Hillary's voters said during the primaries - but, but, but she is ahead in the polls or the popular vote or whatever.
But she still lsot the delegate count. Too bad the polls couldn't help with that.
September 14, 2008 7:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not worried either. I do think that Palin's best moment was the weekend after her speech. The polls are adjusting already. McCain needed a much higher watermark than he got to sustain the impact of the negative press that is coming his way now.
September 13, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you've done a super job of laying this out. And I have to say, I agree with your analysis here. You've laid it out nicely. Not only that.. the trolls seem to find it dangerous. Which is also a tribute to excellence of your ideas.
I like your concept of the two mcShams having to "sell those lies." And how hard it's getting to sell them, day by day.
Lies don't take a whole lot of expertise actually. You just make them up as you go along. And liars have a million stories, while truth-tellers are stuck with their one story.
But what does take expertise is to lay out one's understanding of issues and problems and how one might go about solving things, what kind of judgments one makes. That can't be easily memorized like a lie. So I'm counting on the debates to help our side in that respect.
I feel patient here too. I'm enjoying the fact that the lies are simmering and being noticed. I'm happy to see the mcSham twins simmer right along with lies. A good long simmer. That should do it nicely... while the public catches on.
Again, thanks for a great read! And feel proud to have drawn some troll activity.
September 13, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
McBush has PO'd the press.
A fatal mistake.
September 13, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
an important one to be sure, and agreed, mcpalin has
September 14, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
its a signal that all is not right.
There's never any situation in life in which all is right. So in that sense, you're correct.
But life is too short to focus on the negatives instead of looking at how the negatives and the positives balance out. And exaggerating negatives, such as cherry-picking the worst polls and not taking margins of error into account and so on, isn't facing reality either. In the case of concern trolls they want everyone not to face reality, but instead to focus on these exaggerated negatives until everyone feels doooooooomed.
And life is too short to get all eaten up inside over things that haven't happened yet and may not happen. Being aware of ways that things can go wrong is one thing. Letting concerns over things that might (or might not) go wrong later overshadow positive things that are happening right now is, again, not facing reality in exactly the way concern trolls want us not to face reality.
For "concern troll" you can substitute "wingnut" and the same thing is true. But then, that's the role that concern trolls play is dressing up bogus wingnut arguments in concernful tones.
September 14, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reason you don't need to be concerned is because Obama's strategy is sound and it will succeed. Forget about McCain's attacks. Forget about charges of sexism. Forget about fears that Obama is not hitting back hard enough against the smears. Obama's entire campaign strategy is built around registering new voters and getting them out to the polls. Think about that text message notification they sent out when Obama picked his running mate. That was a brilliant move on their part. They now have a huge database of mostly unlisted cell phone numbers, all of which will get a reminder message on election day about how vitally important it is to get out and vote. These people are under the radar. They're not being polled. They're new to the database and will remain so through election day. They are quite literally, Obama's secret weapon. His November Surprise.
Obama is registering new voters and a massive, overwhelming rate. And these voters are young, they're motivated, and they're Democrats. Meanwhile, the Republicans are stuck with a static base that's only getting smaller.
Take nothing at face value this time around. The ground game is where it's at. The stuff you see on television is not where things are happening. The real race is all back-end, nuts-and-bolts stuff. Ignore the noise. This WILL be a landslide.
September 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a good point about the cell phones!! I had forgotten all about that, because I don't know how to text anyway. I am not a young person, actually. I would be one of those people polled, on my landline. (if I answered it!) Another very good sign is that he raised 66 million dollars in August, and he gained 500,000 new donors!!
They denigrate his 'community organizing'...but I would argue that that is how he is getting all this money and all these new voters. The Community Organizer beat the snot out of Hillary and Bill, he won't have much trouble beating an old man and a neophyte...even a talented one.
September 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the pollsters keep saying they "adjust" for the cell-phone users, but how do they do that, exactly? What is there methodology for all the other unpolled non-respondents? They are not counting newly registered voters nor are they sampling heavily enough for the urban areas that skew Democratic (and democratic).
As said by many others, it's in their interests to keep the horse race close. And maybe it's in ours too. But if it even remotely close, in fact, we have to be super-vigilant about voter supression and Diebold chicanery.
September 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a lot of great stuff in both the post and the comments. I don't know if this makes me concerned, a concern troll, a nervous nelly, or anything else, but I'd be lying if I said a part of me didn't feel pessimistic about the possibility of the Bradley Effect in certain state and/or regional polls.
I haven't been following politics this closely for a long enough period to know for sure, but my instincts tell me that we get to see more detailed polling information (cross tabs, etc.) than many pollsters even collected back when Tom Bradley was running, but recent electoral history suggests we underestimate the country's capacity for shooting itself in the foot at our own peril. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying if the polls are within two-points I don't know that I see the race breaking for Obama, at least not in some of the key states that, in contrast to c.w. about late-deciders, don't always swing to the new/newer candidate.
Here's hoping I'm wrong, and that people stop gobbling up all the crap the McPalin camp is feeding the press.
September 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think your concern just makes you a realist. But in a sense, in my view, putting TheQueenOfLies in as VP Trophy may leave bigots in a quandary. Do they prefer a black man of integrity to a pack of lies? To serial liars?
I think that's where the rubber meets the road. And we'll just have to see how it plays out. I for one think there are some doomsday issues within the mcSham campaign, which are sitting there like cluster bombs or minefields. It's gonna be very hard to sustain their pack of cards built on nothing but lies!
September 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama supporters stop wringing their collective hands and start truly fighting on one simple, honest message, we will be okay.
Here's the message:
McCain Lies.
No mention of Palin. Focus instead on Mr. Ex-Straight Talk. This cracks the foundation of McCain's reform, trust-me mantle and illustrates that he's just like any other Rovian Republican. Seeds of doubt.
I'd love, love, love to see signage and bumperstickers -- simple and clear -- that say in bold white text on a red background,
"McCain Lies."
Get the word out to the shopping malls of middle America.
September 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The biggest problem Obama has is not McCain/Palin, but himself. He comes across too much like an ex-professor, however easy going. He relates well to people who want to think about issues or who are desperate for a political alternative to Bush, and see "hope" in that, but falls flat with those who are primarily looking for a personality connection. The latter is the key to leadership and to getting votes. Those reports of smaller town whites who have trouble "relating" to him, even among people who normally vote Democratic, should be taken seriously. It's much less about race than style.
September 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really don't see how you can have seen any of his speeches or videos of his small group meetings with voters, and make these claims. He is personable and charismatic at any level -- football stadium or factory lunch room.
It's precisely this charisma that makes me not trust him. All too frequently, charismatic leaders are not held fully responsible by their followers for their own feet of clay.
None the less, he is our last best hope at this point. And, we had better go to the wall to get him into the White House, or start looking across the borders for new homes. This country will be financially, morally and politically bankrupt if McLiar gets into the Oval Office for any reason other than a visit.
Thanks.
mp
September 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Despite the blitz of blabber 'n' smoke from the McCain camp, the current tracking polls have not moved. This at least tells us that the McCain camp's strategy is not working. He has gained nothing from the lying and slander at the voter response level; and he has significantly damaged his public "straight talk" image, a blunder from which he cannot recover.
All the polls are within the margin of error, which I take to mean that it is a dead-even race. It pays to be patient in an even game. The concern poseurs and those defending them can do what the rest of us have done: donate to the campaign, donate to move-on and find some way to promote the Obama campaign locally and vocally.
Tune in to the debates (maybe, have a "debate party" with some known McCain supporters) and watch Obama send an old man off the field.
No hurdle ever was overcome by worrying. No problem was ever conquered by talking about it. As my grampa used to say, "Them what's talkin' about it ain't doin' it."
Thanks.
mp
September 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Outside of Chicago and East St. Louis, Illinois is mostly rural and white. Check out some photos or video of Obama talking with these people when he was running for the State Senate. It is eerie to see farmers with gimme caps and flannel shirts and everyday proud to be American rural folk actually listening to Obama (heck, actually seeing people show up to listen to him creates dissonance). These photos (check Illinois newspapers archives and You Tube) look like something out of the old Rod Serling Twilight Zone series---black guy ends up in alternate universe where the only person that notices that he is black is himself and rich white people who believe only rich white people deserve middle and lower class people to die in wars to protect their economic interest around the world.
September 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
from your mouth to God's ears. I too feel that the Obama campaign is bottoming and the McCain campaign is topping, I mean what could possibly be revealed now that would improve Palin's image? Only more skeletons to be discovered.
On the other hand, I am concerned. President Palin with her fingers on the nuclear button ought to be of concern to everyone. But I an not certain (from the interview with Gibson) that she's a war monger, she was just channeling Lieberman, repeating the lines she memorized.
Listening to the same interview I could plainly see that she's an empty vessel, but I am not sure if "independent" voters would see that, or just be impressed that an ordinary "hockey mom" could hold up and speak smoothly on national TV without collapsing.
One of my colleagues is from Florida. Her parents are lifelong Republicans. They were ambivalent, probably leaning McCain just because of party affiliation. After the Palin pick, they are now voting Obama. We need more stories like that.
TJ
September 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still workin' that "concern troll" meme, Bob Bob? Gotta say, it amuses me no end to read people claiming that we have to focus 100% our energy on positive, on-the-ground stuff... posting and writing about concern trolls.
Your post. "Concern trolls are one-sided. Palin's 98% odds a disaster. Polls have MOE. Wait & See. Wait & See. Repeat. Repeat. PANIC at the end." Ummmm. Yeah. Thanks for the value add, big guy.
Rewrite. There are a couple of concern trolls - let em pass. Worse are the screaming sex conspiracy idiots - dangerous - DO NOT REC. The endless bad polling rehashes - don't bother, go to 538 or Pollster or Election Central. That pretty much cleans up the site, doncha think?
Yeah, it leaves many people here who JUST want to focus on GOTV, raising money, spreading a few good clear facts, swapping notes on what they're seeing, keeping spirits up at bad moments, celebrating good ones. Cool. Great.
But you Bob Bob, well, you've had that good ole Witchunt fever for a while now haven't ya? The self-appointed Concern Troll Killer who leaps in where he knows now what, and slaps down some really long CAPITALIZED COMMENTS THAT SAY DOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM AND YOU'RE A CONCERN TROLL. See it as a public service do you?
The problem isn't that you don't know much - it's that you IMPOSE your view of what's too much concern vs just the right amount. Apparently, Bob Bob's got JUUUUST the right level of concern y'all. JUUUUST the right level of knowledge. And you see, Bob Bob would think people discussing the possible pro's/con's of McCain picking a woman VP was toooo- concerned. And that she might not be a 100% joke, who was going to "drop out" within the first week, as being tooo concerned. Whereas people calling her every sexual name imaginable, and piling into posts about how she did it with a motorcycle gang were - apparently - NOT concerning, eh?
It's the Bob-Bob Meter. You call 'em "Concern Trolls." But it's just another form of Witch Hunt. Or better, Censorship. Or better yet, Bullying. You're mobbed up Bob Bob.
Here's the problem that ALL of you signing on here have. I'll state it once more, with feeling. OBAMA'S WHOLE APPROACH, FROM DAY ONE, HAS BEEN TO RALLY BOTTOM-UP. MONEY. VOTES. GOTV. AND IDEAS. Please do note that last bit folks. And yes, some of those actually find their way up the chain. Some just help people think things through faster, so they're better on the doorstep. Some head off to other bloggers and the 527's. Some get scarfed up by TPM itself, funny ehough.
WE ARE THE CHANGE.
Is there any one of you that would very simply sign up to this, and state that OBAMA & It ios the kost appalling behavior, to
m THEM. We'll call them O-TROLLS. See many of these? No???? How about that 10001 comments about 2 weeks ago that threw every sexist remark imaginable, and every family life piece of dirt at Palin? Think that helped? Think OBAMA supported that?
You just chope and hacks at people just because they're not going Rah-Rah. Sometimes, people are actually, seriously, trying to think ahead. Look beneath the official storylines. Figure out why/who/how. Look at McCain and the GOP and Palin & where they're going. Strategy. And then, funny enough, a LOT of those people suggest things. POSITIVE THINGS. And whereas you run on to the earlier stages of these debates and shout, literally, CONCERN TROLL... you're nowhere to be seen when it goes all positive, are you?
What's amusing Bob Bob (no, I'm lying. It isn't amusing. It's abusive. But you're too damned stupid to know the difference. And I'm embarrassed as hell for half the people that have dropped by here.) SOME of what is going on here, believe it or not, is from people who HAVE worked on serious campaigns before. Beyond that, there are LOTS of people capable of doing so.
September 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously, that got mangled from WE ARE THE CHANGE, on. I'll cut it short from there.
"Is there any one of you that would sign up to this, and state that OBAMA & his campaign support the sexist comments, and the family life dirt-digging? Anyone think Obama has ANY problem with people trying to think up angles - ads, lines, tactics, groups, spins - that will help people or groups or the campaign gain more traction against McCAIN? Any who think he'd be keen on seeing people slap the censorship shit on whole posts, the way Bob Bob does, just because they're discussing the negative side of things? Any who think Obama would block people who'd worked on other campaigns, or just plain ole capable people, from commenting?
If so, please just sign up to the Bob Bob list here. And then... after Obama wins.... I'm gonna pray to God that NONE of you signing on gets work, anywhere, under his Administration, where you could have any real-world impact on people. Because to sign onto this is absolutely counter the philosophy of the whole Obama thing. Wake up.
September 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other words, there are dolts on all sides blathering on the internets.
I don't say that to minimize your point. But I think we all have to take a step from the screens, computer and TV, and realize there are other bits of reality that we just aren't seeing. Like the Obama strategy, that which we don't hear about because their campaign seems to be pretty leak-proof. The ground game, the volunteers in every state.
Sometimes it seems in the comments here like I'm hearing sports fans bitching about every move their team makes, even though these fans have never coached, played or even managed to score a point in their high school PE classes.
September 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude. I read your comment, and the great one below. Completely agree, and yes, there are lots of bits of reality we don't see. But do pause on your last para... and note that it doesn't do much harm to let people play, instead of hammering down on them, as Bob Bob seems to have taken a liking to.
September 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bravo quinn! I wish I could recommend your comment. It's quite going against the grain here isn't it, but what you did is necessary to let TPM find its voice again.
What a lot of posters don't get is that campaigns need information and feedback, lots and lots of it, to gauge the effectiveness of their message, the medium of communication and to carry their strategies further. The Republicans call theirs their "Voter Vault" - I think they hire Blackwater contractors to guard this stuff.
This feedback for the most part takes on two dimensions - quantitative and qualitative, and they're both expensive to commission. The Polls cover the quantitative aspects but you need qualitative information to understand the Polls. Qualitative info are usually garnered from focus groups, but in a campaign of this magnitude, the internet is a handy tool for both quantitative (albeit limited and less accurate sampling) and very much qualitative information sifting. It is critical to Dean/Obama's strategy to catch up with the Republican's information advantage - it's especially effective for donations, networking, organization and GOTV, but I suspect they survey the political pundit sites for information and especially feedback.
It's great to hear from people who think you're doing a smashing job but it is even more critical to listen when credible bloggers raise concerns. Yes, those would be the concerned trolls. The net's the equivalent of several huge pools of focus groups. If the campaign sees the Polls going a certain direction, don't assume that they will panic and criticism will "demoralize" them, they urgently need to hear WHY, particularly from those who withold their votes, stop giving to the campaign or the undecideds who go with McCain. They don't need cheerleading, they're adults. It doesn't take a leap of imagination to register that Obama needs to hear MOST from the people who are reluctant or who are not giving him their votes.
In any focus group, you'd dread the few loud voices who attempt to control the group and shape the message because that would distort the feedback. There will be those who think differently but are too intimidated to speak up or they're simply drowned out. You won't get the true picture, and that defeats the usefulness of the group for gleaning insight. In the real world, you usually plant a moderator to reinstate the balance.
It's the same for major political blogs. Have fun after November going at eachothers' throat, but meanwhile, it is important to hear from those who feel uncertain about the campaign's approach, who express doubts, to hear their analysis, things they've heard from family and fellow workers about the ads, about Palin, etc. There are some outstanding posters on TPM, if there are former campaign planners and strategists here, I'll guess Lalo? Though we were on opposite sides, I remember a particularly insightful exchange with him. I'm sure he's as unflappable as his avatar's get-up, but it'll be a shame to see him go the way of tankard if the piling on doesn't stop.
We're not eachother's enemies here, there isn't a Conspiracy of Concern Trolls to sap the energy from Obama's campaign. Talk, discourse, argument, all is good, but better, to back them up with substance, logic or facts.
Me, I'm thin skinned. I come back occasionally to lurk, but the insults have gotten to me and I've stopped posting. I still WANT Obama to win in a blowout this Nov., no question!
September 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude. See reply below, 7:19. Rock on.
September 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I posted a version of the following in response to a certain troll.... But this is why I'm not worried yet. There's a lot of work being done in my state of Michigan (one of the important ones in this campaign).
For the first time I hosted a neighborhood registration drive for Obama/Biden at my place yesterday. It was pouring rain. I didn't think anyone but a few would show up. But 16 did.
They walked around for almost three hours in the pouring rain. They got 20 people registered to vote, and would've gotten more but most people they saw were registered, and were enthusiastic about voting for Obama.
The would've been out longer, but the local sirens when off. It was a tornado warning. A tornado was spotted, and it was headed in our direction.
A couple people ignored it, kept on registering. Frantic attempts were made to call their cells. They did get back eventually. They didn't seem too concerned about the sirens.
We set out our 20 registration forms to dry. I got towels to the soaked, offered the shelter of our basement since that's the place to go for a tornado. They didn't go hide. They just stood around and chatted. Everyone, though having spent a Saturday afternoon getting soaked to the bone, was in an upbeat mood.
I found out that we beat one other city group that day in registrations, but better yet, another group beat both of us.
Also found out that our mid-sized city isn't the only one to get Obama groundworkers in Michigan. There's work being done to do something with the little towns, majority Republican and conservative towns.
September 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I generally agree with this post but. . .
Did you see InTrade today?
It is the first time I remember seeing McCain with over 50% to win the election.
Kind of freaked me out.
September 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Qwerty. Respectfully disagree. YOUR comment should be a post. We need to hear ALL the feedback, all thinking about it, AND then everybody's ideas on ways to move forward. Uncensored, unquashed. Some Rah Rah rooms are great, people seem to need them, but they needn't hammer everything else down. And if nobody has any new info or insights or ideas, then hey - great! We all rest easy. Otherwise, bring 'em on, I say. Anyway. Fire that shot of yours again sometime.
September 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheers quinn! I find it a blessing in disguise to get out there on other sites as it's really quite addictive to hang out with people who are share the same views here on TPM. My time not spent here has been spent on other sites where I'm engaging Republicans who are leaning McCain but are truthful enough to acknowledge their Party has let the country down, in other incarnations.
I'm not seeking converts, but common ground. It's up to them to vote their conscience, and they do have one. I'm also listening to them, they offer interesting insight as to how they perceive the battle of the campaigns. You're so right about the economic issues being their biggest concern, and they *know* things are bad. Obama will win a debate on the economy against McCain-Palin hands down, it's so obvious he has the wind on his back with every bad news from Wall St.
I don't like the die-hard Dems reacting to their provocations and trading insults, it doesn't win votes for our side. By steering the back and forth to calmer waters, we're all talking to eachother, not at eachother. Reason will prevail - they too want what's best for the country, and they're open to our thinking. And they're civil.
In the end, it's more important to go after the votes that Obama hasn't got in the bag. After November, I hope to get back here to pop a bottle of champagne with the TPMers. Glad to see you watching the backs of the ole regulars, they're gold.
September 15, 2008 6:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
My parting shot, the 538 site offered a sort of epiphany while going on the road blogging from Nevada coering a Palin event. There were activist Obama supporters who take it upon themselves to antagonize and disrupt their rallies. This wasn't condoned by the Obama campaign.
We WANT their votes. Repeat often, we WANT their votes, really really want them. Put ourselves in their shoes, how would we allow ourselves be persuaded?
Save the physical tussle for November 5th. We'll be facing the Brooks Brothers mafia. If there's a day to set aside for making our presence felt, it should be under a Voter Protection program on that day.
September 15, 2008 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink