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My Overall Impression On How The Debate Went.


I watched the entire debate, without any distractions.

Here is my overriding take on it.

John McCain was on a mission to expose Obama as being too naive and untested, to trust with national security.

He went constantly to his notes, and kept on that same line of attack. Obama came across as being well versed in all aspects of foreign relations, and global hot spots. McCain sensed that, so as the debate progressed, McCain kept on trying to tell the audience what they should think about Obama. McCain stopped debating. He just kept on hammering home about all his past years of experience.

In a nutshell:

McCain was like an old heavyweight boxer who knew that he needed a knockout, and as the fight went into the later rounds he started to swing more and more wildly, and not landing any punches, he ended up also not scoring many points.

McCain failed to show that Obama was not qualified in the foreign policy and defense areas, and therefore it looks like Obama fought him to a draw, which made McCain the loser.

McCain's biggest area of expertise was tonight's debate topic. From here on out, he is going to have to defend his long horrible record of domestic policies, which have always favored billionaires over working class Americans.

We are in great shape. Now on to Sarah from The Tundra, who apparently can not tell the difference between a Caribou's arse, and and ice fishing hole. Never eat what she catches folks. You have been warned.

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A draw for Obama in this battle is a win for him in the overall war.

EXACTLY. Plus the new poll says that the public, 500 uncommited voters, think he won by a 51-38 margin.

What was so encouraging about that was that Obama won big with women and older people - the core people who haven't been behind him so far.

Some cool internals from the CNN poll:

Thinking about the following characteristics and qualities, please say whether you think each one better described Barack Obama or John McCain during tonight's debate:

• Was more intelligent: Obama 55%, McCain 30%

• Expressed his views more clearly: Obama 53%, McCain 36%

• Spent more time attacking his opponent: McCain 60%, Obama 23%

• Was more sincere and authentic: Obama 46%, McCain 38%

• Seemed to be the stronger leader: Obama 49%, McCain 43%

• Was more likeable: Obama 61%, McCain 26%

• Was more in touch with the needs and problems of people like you: Obama 62%, McCain 32%

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Please turn off the bolded text.

Sorry. I am vision impaired. Is it that much of a distraction? It helps me when I am composing to reduce the amount of text errors, since we do not have an edit or preview function.

You can always un-bold it as the last step before publishing.

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Try increasing the size of your browser text setting (may not make a difference) or zooming in.

Liam,

I've come to expect to see bold when I read you. Don't change. It is really not difficult to read. Besides, it's your "style."

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Sorry Loki -- I don't know how old you are or what the state of your vision is, but I simply can't read a screen full of bold text. Liam may be the wisest TPM poster ever, but I will miss it.

I think you make a very cogent analysis. I was going to give the tie to McCain because he didn't flip out and didn't show signs of dementia, but I think you have put it well.

I thought Obama made a big mistake in letting McCain keep saying Obama `doesn't understand` `doesn't get it`.

He should have taken that on.

I suspect the reason the pollling apparently shows Obama having won the debate is that I think he did win the economic section and that's the one most people care about.

I think Obama did not want to come across as being too aggressive, and look like he was picking on an old man, and a famous POW hero. I think he handled it just right.

Folks. If you want to keep this discussion going, you must click on recommend, or it will sink out of view shortly. Thanks.

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My gut instinct when McCain started with that line was that it was trouble, but as the debate went on I came to the conclusion that it actually worked against him given that it was very obvious from Obama's answers and attitude that, in fact, he does understand and very well. I thought it ended up making McCain look like the one who was out of touch.

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Sorry about the bolding. It was supposed to end after the *does* but it didn't :)

He was knowledgeable enough to make undecideds comfortable. This is a huge win for him in this regard.

Frankly, his demeanor worked to his advantage. Those of us who will vote for him anyway want to see him stomp his opponent into the ground. The undecideds need to become "comfortable" with him. What I'm seeing unfold is that the comfort factor was a huge win for him yesterday. And not in a have-a-beer way, but in the way the American people used to choose their leaders. These are Obama's terms, presidential terms. He is changing how politics works, one step at a time.

It drives us nuts, but he's walking to the finish line instead of sprinting. And when he gets there he won't be out of breath and he'll be ready to lead on Day One.

Great insight. Obama is the only one in Washington right now who is presidential, the actual president included.

Thanks for your spot on analysis, Liam! I find your posts to be among the most insightful of the many insightful posts at TPM.

Spot on analysis. I felt that it was pretty even but I'd give a slight advantage to Obama. McCain had to show that Obama is not ready to be Commander-in-Chief. He didn't accomplish that.

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"Can't tell the difference between a caribou's arse and an ice-fishing hole . ."

Thanks for my morning laugh!

I think there will be comparisons between Nixon/Kennedy and this debate. If you listen to this on the radio, it seemed much more even. There were clashes, each got some punches in, but nobody let much blood. If you watched this, the visuals gave the interpretive key to the discourse. McCain seemed agitated (just as Nixon did), and we felt like we were seeing more into the personality of McCain that we would like, and what we saw was not pleasing. Both Obama and McCain became frustrated, for example, but Obama's was a 'wait, let's get the record straight' and McCain's was visibly annoyance, peevishness. He seemed more like the angry old man yelling at kids on his front lawn. Josh has made comments about the lack of eye contact. Psychoanalytically, it indicates fear of one sort or another, and the subliminal message was of weakness. I think this may itself account for the low polls: the contradiction being a guy on home turf where leadership is the highest value, and he manifests fearful behavior, which made even his strong statements/points look more like bluster and defensiveness.

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Psychoanalytically, we would have to talk about mother, father, and childhood. I don't think we want to stir up that shit.

But your Nixon/Kennedy comparison is interesting and keen: Obama's engagement was fresh and McCain's avoidance/lack of eye contact was well uncertain. This may be important because general impressions from debates may last longer than particular policy points.

More astute than the first reax from most MSNBC, WaPo and, oddly, TPM. CNN folk got it. You lose the words and remember the music. The iPod beat the Victrola.

My new blog is my take on Steadfast Strong Leadership, and how America has found that, if it is wise enough to do the right thing,

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/america-you-watched-the-presid.php

Please read it, and recommend if you think it provide some food for thought. Thanks.

The conventional political wisdom is to never say your opponent is right during a debate, which is something Obama did at several points. It will be interesting to see how that plays out - but I do believe it makes Obama look more reasoned.

I wonder how the Biden Palin debate will go, especially in light of her recent Couric interview. Can Biden turn to Palin at any point and say, "I just don't understand your answer. It makes no sense" or is it so obvious he doesn't have to say anything at all? (That may be the toughest for Biden).

I had the very same impression about what McCain was trying to accomplish. He kept repeating that Obama "doesn't understand" this or that practical reality. It was very obvious, and I think it shows that what he was trying to do was to paint a picture of Obama as dangerously naive.

I don't feel it succeeded. The problem was that he'd say that even after Obama had given a response that indicated that he actually did understand whatever it was. I actually started thinking it was a bit funny.

As for saying he agreed, I liked that very much. But perhaps I should explain, I'm not a hardcore supporter of Obama, and not really a political junkie in the way most people here seem to be. Perhaps that's the difference.

I have been waiting for these guys to make good on the things they've said about being willing to go beyond the stupid partisanship. Haven't seen much of it so far. This is at least an indication of it, if small. And really--if there are points you agree on, that should be acknowledged. The unwillingness to do that is something that's been pissing me off a lot for the last 8 years or so.

I have been leaning towards Obama on issues, but have had some niggling concerns. I think I knew intellectually that Obama was not the lightweight McCain was trying to make him seem, but I don't think I felt it "in my gut." I think I now do.

"McCain suspended his campaign, said the debate had to be canceled, he went to Washington, screwed up the deal, and then un-suspended his campaign and flew to the debate even though there wasn't a deal. Usually when a 72-year-old man acts this way, this is when the kids start calling nursing homes." --Bill Maher

"John McCain showed up without running mate Sarah Palin, which is a shame because she actually has a lot of experience with financial matters. You know, she lives right next to a bank." --Jimmy Kimmel, on Obama and McCain's meeting with President Bush at the White House

Missing a key point -- Racial Dynamics

For those of us who are people of color in this country, McCain not looking at Barack in the eye is a metaphor for the fact that WHITE PEOPLE in this country easily dismiss us and try to render us "invisible." Everyone from my 75 year old great uncle to the 20 people of color who attended my debate party last night said the same thing when it was over... We expected McCain's closing statement to have been: "BOY, what the hell are you doing on this stage? You don't belong here."

100% of the people of color who I have spoken to about the debate today, had the EXACT same visceral reaction to this debate. Let me tell you something on Monday, Black Radio is going to be off the chain. If people of color needed a reason to vote this election, the debate has given them one.

Thank you for adding that perspective. The good news is that a lot of white people, like me, are fully backing Senator Obama, and greatly admire him.


McCain does have a long history of diminishing the African American community. One only need look at his shameful history in resisting the Dr. King holiday, to understand that he is not a fair minded inclusive person.

Well the tactic clearly backfired then. McCain's camp told him not to look at Obama so that he wouldn't get angry. (He can't stand him, and they thought looking at Obama would trigger that.)

I'm black and the thought that McCain may be trying to diminish his black oponent by ignoring him crossed my mind but ultimately I think he was just trying to stick to his notes and not get too angry. McCain did seem to hold Obama in great contempt with his cold unstaring demeanor. I don't think it's because Obama is black so much as because he is angry that his "suspension" stunt backfired so badly.

I think behaving like you detest your oponent is a poor strategy especially when he is friendly, interactive and generous in return. I think that may explain why the post-debate polls favor Obama by so much. I thought it was much closer to a tie.

Here is a nice juicy bit for you folks, since this blog of mine is about to vanish.

Sarah just side with Obama, on how to handle the bad guys in the Pakistan badlands region. Yup! Yup!.

Sarah is the gift that keeps on giving. Check it out, and click it on up.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/serendipitydippity-sarah-she-b.php

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