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Nobody Is That Rich


There are two kids with peanut allergies in my daughter's third grade class this year.  The school sent a letter home, asking us to make sure the snacks we send don't have nuts in them.  So, my daughter takes apples and carrots.

Last night, she asked about Luna bars, one of her favorite snacks last year.  It's a low glycemic nutrition bar.  We checked the label together, and, sure enough, the bar has traces of nuts.

Government does work sometimes.

We're doing a pretty good job of labeling our foods and drugs now.  And we know more about nutrition than we used to know.  We're holding our own against big tobacco and cigarette addiction.  And, from my layman's perspective, we're making immunizations work.

So I have to wonder what people like McCain and Palin think the world would be like without government, or with a government that just limits itself to unleashing what McCain calls "the creativity and initiative of Americans.  Government that doesn't make your choices for you, but works to make sure you have more choices to make for yourself?"

I wonder if McCain and Palin believe they are so rich that they could protect their kids on their own if their kids had peanut allergies.  Do they really believe they could protect their kids without that letter coming home from the school, without that peanut allergy warning on the label, and without the cooperation of the community?

Nobody is that rich.

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I appreciate the point of your anecdote. It echoes some of what Barack has been saying lately -- attacking the philosophy of "you're on your own."

But I don't think McCain is a systematic libertarian, or even a consistent small-govt conservative. As for Palin, her ideas remain largely obscure.

The Republican party is in the grip of an approach that some on the right have been calling "Bushism." Authoritarian on issues of security, aggressive abroad, and not particularly committed to reducing spending, it resembles Reagan-era conservatism only in the sense that it keeps taxes low (esp. on the rich). I don't see much evidence that McCain would take a different approach. He's just as infatuated with military power -- maybe more so -- and also, I suspect, with the authority of the state. His plans to cut spending are vague at best.

I'm not entirely sure why Barack has been taking aim at small-govt conservatism, instead of at Bushism. I think it's basically because it would be hard to prove how close McCain really is to Bush on this matter. Also, perhaps, he's trying to use the bully pulpit a bit to build a mandate?

So the idea is that the allergic kids steal your daughter's peanut-infested snacks?

Or are they so allergic to peanuts that they get hives by action-at-a-distance?

No, wait...

It's a group snack! All the kiddies eat exactly the same thing at exactly the same time!

So the point is that we need Big Government to enable collectivist indoctrination in the public schools!

After the Revolution we will all eat together in one big kitchen, and there will be no peanuts!

Synchronize your spoons!

One, two, three...

Eat it!

Riiight. Cause kids never share food.

After the revolution, we'll all eat ice cream in the park. Actually, they can spread the peanuts around the room with their fingers. On to desks, pencils and books. But I catch your drift. And I know you've seen worse things than I've seen. This is just a little post. It can't do much harm.

Actually I just wanted to write...

"Synchronize your spoons!"

As for seeing worse things, apparently I gave you the wrong impression about my "career," and corrected it in a comment on your excellent blog, where every TPMCafe denizen should take a stroll through the archives. I linked to "Citizen Journalism," which is only one of many essays there that "moves the story."


As I said, that doesn't change anything. You have a right to be angry.

I've had conversations with right wing nuts who are upset about peanuts banned on flights. It's simply that their personal right to do whatever they think they want overrides the fact that recycled air with nut scent into it can cause someone to go into seizure. I personally am a peanuts freak, can easily eat a half a jar at a time. But somehow I can't even imagine myself grousing about this obvious public safety move, while others will find it a horrid expression of the daily attack on the nostalgic Christian Paradise we used to have once upon a time.

You can add in seat belts, dumping oil down the sewers, strip mining, asbestos, thalidomide, alcohol laws and whatever. Somehow, the conservative mantra goes, we used to face all these dangers, tamping our own gunpowder while drinking whiskey up on top of the cab at 140mph without a seatbelt and we still survived. Except of course quite a number of people didn't survive. Women died of backroom abortions (of course that happened across state lines and more likely to minorities due to cheaper clinics). People near toxic dumps developed tumors the size of grapefruit. But those figures and images don't appear in our collective nostalgia, due to faulty selective memories and the way we used to shuffle away invalids and paraplegics and braindead accident survivors. De mortuis nil nisi bonum.
Or better, de mortuis nil loquatur.

Yes, our conservative memory of our inherited past has been cleansed by eugenics. So nicely that they want to cleanse the future too. Leave it to Beaver.

Des,

Good comments.

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. . . this obvious public safety move . . . .

And all this time I thought the airlines were just worried that someone allergic to peanuts would have a reaction and the airline would be required to see to the passenger's health by landing short of its destination with the result that it would lose money.

I'm relieved to learn it's all about "public safety."

From the airline's point of view, naturally it's about the bottom line and avoiding lawsuits. For a passenger to bitch and moan about not being served peanuts because someone on board might die -- that's where the public safety, egalitarian motive comes into play.

Uh, people who run businesses can be reasonably sensible, sensitive and profit-oriented at the same time. I know the common image is that anyone in a company more than 50 people must be a blood-sucking parasite.

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And even more so when the burden of their good works is imposed on their customers and the benefits (here, lower costs) run to those "sensible" and "sensitive" business owners.

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It's clear to me: if you're anti-peanut, you are anti-Jesus, and probably pro-abortion too.

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You're dealing with idiots who claim they want to keep the government out of their business. They may end up killing someone else (in the case of peanuts and abortions) with this belief, but with any luck they'll end up killing only themselves.

Riding on the bus a couple of weeks ago, I overheard two guys in their 20s talking about guy stuff—motorcycles and guns, in this case. One told the other, "You can carry a gun in Arizona strapped right on you, like a cowboy. And you don't have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle."*

The other guy's response? "Cool!"

*I have no idea if his assertions are true.

Arizona is an open carry state, which means no permit required to carry a pistol openly. Don't know about the helmets, but probably true.

Organ donors.

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Great post and hits me personally Billy, as my 21-month old daughter was just diagnosed with a peanut allergy. It's serious business. We now have to have one of those emergency "pens", and more importantly, thank heavens for govenrmental labelling requirements because we read them now as never before.

Great point: there is no need to run away from government. A winning Democrat needs to remind us all how government is a necessary, not sufficient, but necessary component of our society.

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Billy:

I don't know if my longer comment disappeared, but this is an excellent post.

I do not have anything original to add here, but I agree with everyone else that this is a good point well made. I tip my hat to you, Mr Glad.

I think my fellow TPMers are way too quick to recommend every Billy Glad diatribe that crosses our path. And there are many.

But this is a good post, and so I have broken my promise not to recommend Billy Glad posts in the hope of encouraging more of this sort of thoughtful and unique commentary.

Soybean butter is often an excellent and safe alternative. It is now avaialble in most supermarkets, but they sometimes put it into the "fancy" food isle, you know, where the arugula is and where people with many houses shop.

There was a funny political cartoon years ago (farside?), that showed a whole bunch of angy white wing nuts, shaking their fists and otherwise expressing their displeasure with "The Government". The captions read such things as "Goddamn government beaurocrats made sure my medicine was safe" and "Those good for nothing government freeloaders inspected the meat that my children eat", etc.

My wife teaches pre-K and every year there is at least one kid in her class allergic to peanuts. It's a bit of a mystery why so many kids have this, nowadays.

"We're all in this together" versus "Every man for himself"? Or maybe it's "Us versus them" that's got them all caught up.

It's interesting that the right will spare no oxygen on extolling the virtues of democracy, even such that it need be spread far and wide (at gunpoint if necessary), only to turn around and bloviate that government, fundamentally, doesn't work. Last I checked, democracy was the practice of self-governance.

PS - What's with the articles?

Billy: I'm sorry but all of sudden you started sounding like those elitist liberals that don't know what they are talking about.

"So I have to wonder what people like McCain and Palin think the world would be like without government, or with a government that just limits itself to unleashing what McCain calls "the creativity and initiative of Americans. Government that doesn't make your choices for you, but works to make sure you have more choices to make for yourself?"

This is one of the funnier ways of misunderstanding the concept of limited government I have come across and it's nothing to do with reality. If you don't want to get your hands dirty to learn about it from the republicans, read up on libertarians . I learned it from libertarians and it makes a lot of sense.

I would love to hear a justification for libertarianism that makes sense. I've heard lots of ideas and excuses, but all show a fundamental lack of comprehension regarding human nature, history, and political philosophy.

I'm a little doubtful that you are truly interested, but let me know.

But let's just say that to think that limited goverment would be against "peanut" regulation is the same as saying they will also order the removal of traffic signs and speed limits.

Limited goverment has more to do with the question of why we have spent over a trillion of dollars by now fighting poverty in the last half century and black people still live in slums.

Why do black people still live in slums?

White flight; above-average population growth, family disruption, and substance abuse amongst minorities in the lower economic brackets; an awful system for funding education; a lack of ability/knowledge to 'work the system' to get money amongst those who would most benefit from social programs; a distrust of gov't (and associated programs); a lack of money management experience and knowledge; a tendancy to address the immediate effects of poverty rather than the long-term causes and obstruction by the right on proper funding -- yes, even more money -- to help alleviate that.

Do you think peoples' charity alone is enough to rectify the problem? Or that trickle-down economics is feasible - that people will use their wealth to create more (good, high wage) jobs instead of hoarding money/resources/land and offering jobs only to the lowest bidder? Why do libertarians not count economic injustice as one of their much-feared sources of coersion?

Here you go, putting words in my mouth.

Limited goverment is not about dumping problems on charities. And it's certainly not about doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again and still after all these years still expecting a different result.

But I do note that you long list of reasons for persistent black poverty didn't mention the fact that just maybe we've been wasting all this money on stuff that doesn't work.

And we lack the honesty to admit it and find a better solution.

Limited goverment is not about dumping problems on charities.
In what respect is it not? You'd have to define what you mean when you say "limited government."

In libertarianism, it certainly is a basic tenant that taxation and wealth redistribution is an infringement of personal liberty, a form of coersion, and that it infact takes away freedoms from those who benefit from it. Hayekian libertarians at least think taxes could be assessed and used for welfare in a free society, but that it would hardly be necessary because the private sector -- ie, charity -- would handle the job more effectively. Nozickian libertarians flat out hold that taxation, especially when used to fund welfare, violates their principle of justice in transfer -- and so again, charities in the private sector are the only recourse for those unable to support themselves.

So tell me more about what you think it is and how it can be justified, rather than just saying "oh no, that's not it" and leaving it at that?

And absolutely, there is wasteful spending in welfare programs. But to what degree? And, does that merit their dismantling?

Wait a second, you acknowledge that we wasted over a trillion dollars on fighting poverty, ackhowledge that we still see it everywhere; but you want to continue fighting the way we've been doing it - and you ask a "justification" for looking for another way??

I don't think that's the question.

The question is: do you honestly belive we need another 40 years and another trillion dollars until we've finally won the war on poverty??

Do you honestly believe all trillion+ dollars was a waste?

To refine my point -- why should the whole system be repealed, rather than restructured or reorganized?

I'm not advocating a repeal. Libertarians are not advocating a repeal. They advocate replacing a clearly failed program.

There are plenty of examples in other countries in the last couple of decades that do not involve the government income redistribution as the single way of addressing poverty, like we have in the US. China and India has the fastest rate of poverty reduction in the world and they don't have subsidized programs like the US. Latin America and Asia are using micro-credit.

These are all progressive measures, none of them is the "final" solution, but they all rely on the same foundation - incentive and motivation, not tax-funded subsidy.

The problem of a large portion of the Democratic Party is the same that Billy has in his original post - he's conflating regulation with limited government.

Libertarians are not advocating a repeal. They advocate replacing a clearly failed program.
I'd appreciate a source on this.

Libertarian platform. Libertarian thinkers, Cato Institute, even Hayek although I think he dealt more with economic policy and central planning.

I think the biggest mistake they made is use the term limited goverment, because it suggests the elimination of government's functionality.

A better way to describe it would be a different definition of government's role: from a source of income to some to an honest creator and enabler of opportunity, incentive and motivation for all people.

There's a difference between Libertarian big-L and libertarian little-l. The Libertarian party is influenced by libertarian philosophy but is slightly more moderate to make their platform more palatable to Americans. My arguments were more directed to the base philosophy, but big-L Libertarians are still (at best) minarchists who want as little government interference as possible. From their own stated, official platform:

A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.
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All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution.
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The proper source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.

So what exactly are you talking about, Lalo?

I have a problem with you associating any rational system of thought with McCain and Palin. When did they become Libertarians? When did they become rational enough to reduce government on a program by program basis?

I know Billy. What I have a problem with is seeing the world in black and white, the fastionable colors of TPM. I don't think American people are stupid either, low information or whatever else.

I really doubt McCain hangs at the Cato Institute. Certainly, there can't be anyone from the Cato Institute briefing Palin, can there? We're looking at Reaganomics here. McCain will break the FDA along with everything else.

Replacing it with...?

But I do note that you long list of reasons for persistent black poverty didn't mention the fact that just maybe we've been wasting all this money on stuff that doesn't work.

Okay, but what exactly are you saying here? If the money has been wasted, then it doesn't really matter whether we spent it or not (unless you're using some bizarre definition of wasted). If it doesn't affect the condition, then why would demosaur list your pet gripe in a long list of reasons for persistent black poverty. That is unless you mean to imply that the money you speak of is a cause of said poverty. Would you care to clarify?

And we lack the honesty to admit it and find a better solution.

Which would be...?

I'm black and I don't live in a slum. In fact I live in a very nice 4 bdr. house on 1 acre.

You mean by that notorious writer of bodice -ipper fiction, ayn rand?

Her message?

Selfishness is a virtue.

Quaint, but demonstrably false. You either live in a community and take the responsibilities and obligations seriously, or you are welcome to move to an island and provide your own infrastructure, healthcare, protection, oh, and have fun building a computer from raw materials.

Prod small-government republicans/libertarians enough, and most will eventually come right out and say they wouldn't mind a bit of social Darwinism clearing out the poor--they're shiftless and lazy, or they wouldn't be poor!--and tough luck if people are dumb enough to poison or electrocute themselves. Businesses are what America's all about, and they'd never push dangerous products on our people! Peanut allergies are, after all, just another fake disease like ADHD, depression, and teen pregnancy.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to a lack of empathy. There's no problem unless it's affecting you and yours. Government in America can solve nothing that couldn't better be fixed by hard work and responsibility. Just ask Jurgis Rudkus.

A nation of whiners, indeed.

Government does work sometimes.

As long as it's not run by Republicans.

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McCain and Palin undoubtedly think they'd be just fine without government, just like Cheney could claim with a straight face that "the government had nothing to do" with the wealth he accumulated from Halliburton.

Reminds me of all of the dot.com millionaires saying government should just get out of their way. Never mind that government was responsible for the creation of the internet in the first place, and that it's government oversight of securities markets that enabled them to do IPOs and get rich in the first place.

I love hearing about how all of those red self-sufficient pioneer Alaskans have been drinking the federal milkshake from that long straw down into the lower 48.

When I run into these conversations I like to remind folks about the FAA, interstate trucking regulations, USDA food inspections, federal safety standards for cribs, etc.

Where did you get the idea that republicans or libertarians want no government? Clearly there is a role for government. What most object to is the womb to the tomb nanny state gov't that liberals strive for. Equality of opportunity does not mean equality of outcome. Gov't should provide an environment where people can achieve or fail based on their efforts and ideas. Some will fail, but in the state controlled system, none achieve.

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Well, the 2004 national platform of the Libertarian Party supported elimination of the SEC, FAA, FDA, USDA, Dep't of Education, Dep't of Energy, IRS, BATF, Federal Reserve, FDIC, blue sky regulation, all anti-trust laws, the FTC, all international trade agreements, the National Labor Relations Act, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the Consumer Products Safety Commission, the Interstate Commerce Commission, the National Transportation Safety Board, the Coast Guard, the Federal Maritime Commission, minimum wage, occupational licensure, the Bureau of Reclamation, the Army Corps of Engineers' civilian functions, the Bureau of Land Management, the U.S. Forest Service, OSHA and the Postal Service, for starters.


Yow! The bulldog got bit! You need to be careful who you ask, bulldog. Not everybody around here is as dumb as me.

Actually I just wanted to write...

"Synchronize your spoons!"

As for seeing worse things, apparently I gave you the wrong impression about my "career," and corrected it in a comment on your excellent blog, where every TPMCafe denizen should take a stroll through the archives. I linked to "Citizen Journalism," which is only one of many essays there that "moves the story."

You remind me of a friend I had in Seattle. He used to argue for bussing. All day long. His theory was the teachers couldn't start warping the kids' minds until they got off the bus.

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Lalo:

Not to interrupt, but Billy's post, as I read it, used an apt metaphor to make us feel what government does. The argument against government does not, unfortunately, just center on whether we have eliminated poverty and racial inequality, etc. by spending one trillion dollars. Return to the peanut. Behind every labeling regulation, there is a need for inspectors, and behind the inspectors there is a need for an enforcement scheme at FDA. That stuff costs money, and that stuff has been under attack, and successfully so, since Ronald Reagan and possibly before.

Move from the lowly peanut. How about spending money on OSHA, on the NLRB, the EPA, the SEC, and on myriad agencies that do more than just redistribute income (which I'm not quibbling with, but I'm not willing to defend goverment simply on the basis of how successful government programs designed to eradicate poverty have been either). The problem is that it is those things that you seem to suggest nobody's squabbling about that have been eradicated over the last several decades. Federal spending, outside of the social welfare context, has not been immune from the "all government is bad" meme propounded by the conservative/libertarian brothers and sisters among us.

Sorry for the interruption; this is probably one of the few times I've disagreed with you, respectfully.

Bruce

I think we may be arguing about different things here.

My point is that to confuse regulation and limited goverment is to make a completely misleading and false point, intentionally or not.

It is to the "peanut" example in order to imply that limited goverment does not care about its citizens. Instead of recognizing and debating differences in approach to solving social problems.

Billy, in all seriousness, we're in need of a refresher course in Fascism...do you have the time or the inclination to put together a "Fascism for dummies" lesson?

I think we could all stand to be reminded...

I suspect you know more about it than I do, because this discussion with Lalo goes straight to the origins of fascism. Here's Karl Polanyi, for example, on the role of the liberal in the rise of fascism.

"Freedom's utter frustration in fascism is, indeed, the inevitable result of the liberal philosophy, which claims that power and compulsion are evil, that freedom demands their absence from a human community. No such thing is possible; in a complex society this becomes apparent. This leaves no alternative but either to remain faithful to an illusory idea of freedom and deny the reality of society, or to accept that reality and reject the idea of freedom. The first is the liberal's conclusion; the latter the fascist's. No other seems possible.

"Inescapably, we reach the conclusion that the very possibility of freedom is in question. If regulation is the only means of spreading and strengthening freedom in a complex society, and yet to make use of this means is contrary to freedom per se, then such a society cannot be free."

Polanyi goes on to suggest that the root of the dilemma is the meaning of freedom itself. "The radical illusion was fostered that there is nothing in human society that is not derived from the volition of individuals and that could not, therefore, be removed again by their volition."

And then: "But power and economic value are a paradigm of social reality. They do not spring from human volition; noncooperation is impossible in regard to them. The function of power is to ensure that measure of conformity which is needed for the survival of the group; its ultimate source is opinion -- and who could help holding opinions of some sort or the other?"

This does depend somewhat on what definition of liberty you're using.

Polanyi had an interesting recommendation for protecting freedom.

"The true answer to the threat of bureaucracy as a source of abuse of power is to create spheres of arbitrary freedom protected by unbreakable rules."

I wonder what he would have said during the FISA debate.

This debate is far too dry and mechanistic, the kind of materialism of the mind, which I think is both depressing and incorrect.

One can't ignore humanity's infinite possibilities for change and man's innate capacity to learn.

True, both have been subverted over the years for causes sinister and evil, but I remain hopefull that change is gonna come.

On Fascism and Communism: I find that both have their roots in the different functional misanderstanding of Darwin. Fascism has one leg in Social Darwinism, which of course is a mistaken attempt to apply biological natural selection to competition within society. Communism makes a different but parallel error by applying natural selection to human political history, setting the "competing unit" to be as large as a nation or a national political order.

These common confusions about Darwin and what evolution means to human social development persists to this day, and finds itself expressed both in "American exceptionalism" and coersive "democracy building".

I don't find the idea of "spheres of arbitrary freedom protected by unbreakable rules" dry and mechanistic. I find it exciting. If I recall correctly, abortion was legal in Washington, D.C., before Roe v. Wade.

Billy,

I am happy to see you taking the peanut allergies so seriously. I am sure it is probably teaching your daughter a lot about having respect and care for her fellow students.

I work in EMS and had a call a couple years back for a peanut allergy. 17 year old male. His father had a few drinks at a business gathering, and took a handful of nuts at a bar. 12 hours later, the peanut oil from his hand, caused his son to have a severe allergic reaction.

We did everything we could and then some, because I really couldn't stand the idea of telling this father that he had accidently killed his son. We just couldn't save him. I will never forget the look on Dad's face.

That is why peanut allergies are different from other allergies. Because they are common, and because people can and do die, without ever having seen or eaten a peanut or peanut product. Most don't die, but I have seen hundreds of really close calls. Thanks for your diligence, and for your post.

Billy, I've been impressed lately with the tone and quality of your posts. I hope you don't mind my making a little comment here, as this one has a personal impact on me.

My son, who yesterday turned 23, has lived his whole live with a virulent allergy to all legumes. Not just peanuts, but anything in the legume family. On several occasions when he was young we had to rush him to the emergency room, and on at least one occasion his life was in danger.

What is interesting is that, since he was very young, he has learned how to eat - how to examine everything before he eats it, to ask questions, to "taste" things that will ultimately cause reactions. He lives with it quite well now, though he has a more limited diet.

I know one thing for sure. If the airlines served peanuts on planes, he would not be in danger. How many people are allergic to peanuts and other foods and don't know it? I'm not sure of it. It's clear that a food like a Luna Bar, which italic could have peanuts in it or traces of peanuts from processing other foods, could pose a threat. But a package of peanuts? I'm not sure if the health danger of that is as severe - the known threat versus the hidden one.

I'm not saying I know about other people's experiences with food allergies, because my experience is limited, but it seems to me that people do know what they are allergic to, and they adjust their lives accordingly.

Just saying.

Raider, there are some people who are so allergic to peanuts, that the mere act of breathing air where someone in fairly close proximity (i.e. sitting near someone in a plane)has opened a bag peanuts will send them into anaphylactic shock.

How common is that, and when did it start? I mean, I am not arguing what you said, but it seems interesting to me that peanuts were served on planes and in bars and all over the place for as long as I can remember, and people weren't keeling over all the time. Is this something that has recently become worse? It just doesn't make complete sense to me.

How many people went into shock on airplanes during the decades previous to this? Are there statistics?

Again, not trying to be argumentative here, but to gain some information on the history of this problem and its real severity.

Some of it might be that people died for unknown reasons that were categorized as something else. If you do any genealogy research you'll find causes of death like "wasting palsy" and "consumption". No way to tell now if it was cancer or what.

One more thing, Billy. I agree with you about McCain. Didn't want to ignore the real message of your post. It's a good, simple way to express the issue. Thanks.

Billy,

I am happy to see you taking the peanut allergies so seriously. I am sure it is probably teaching your daughter a lot about having respect and care for her fellow students.

I work in EMS and had a call a couple years back for a peanut allergy. 17 year old male. His father had a few drinks at a business gathering, and took a handful of nuts at a bar. 12 hours later, the peanut oil from his hand, caused his son to have a severe allergic reaction.

We did everything we could and then some, because I really couldn't stand the idea of telling this father that he had accidently killed his son. We just couldn't save him. I will never forget the look on Dad's face.

That is why peanut allergies are different from other allergies. Because they are common, and because people can and do die, without ever having seen or eaten a peanut or peanut product. Most don't die, but I have seen hundreds of really close calls. Thanks for your diligence, and for your post.

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