This would certainly mean the end of Palin's VP hopes if true.
I just want to see additional confirmation before getting all too excited about it.
Having read the original post at the LA Progressive, this interesting and worth chasing down more sources willing to go on the record.
The thing to note is that if something like this was said once, it was said more than once. It's a matter of finding the past act that corroborates the current assertion.
The LA Progressive, unfortunately does not look as credible as it could. Although, who knows who they know where....
I will withhold comment on this until it is proven to be fact. I hate these damn rumors if they are lies.
I'm sorry, but I read that story yesterday. The sourcing would have to put on a few pounds just to be considered "lightweight". With no recording, it needs lots and lots of eyewitnesses - who were willing to go on record with their full names - to make it even mildly believable.
One other thing about the story that doesn't make sense: there's an unsourced allegation that she slurs Eskimos. Isn't Todd Palin part Eskimo?
We've got enough fully documented ammo against Palin. We don't need to descend into the Republican quagmire of innuendo, twisted half-truths and outright smears.
I agree. I put it up in one of my comments last night, but I think it needs some more information to be credible.
That said, it seems that being from a small town and still having quite a lot of sway there, people are afraid of this woman.
That gives it, to me, a little bit of credibility.
But it needs more. And I don't think too many people are willing to put their lives on the line. Government with a vendetta can be ugly for citizens.
This sort of half-assed rumor mongering is garbage. Quite aside from the impropriety of spreading this sort of hearsay, it will not hurt Palin but help her. Without a hell of a lot more evidence than is being shown here, she will look like the injured party when the dust settles on this and will deliberately conflate all of the legit criticisms of her with this baseless smear. Please cut this nonsense out unless you are deliberately trying to get McCain elected.
This is crap. Don't spread it around. It's just simply not credible, and even if it was credible, it's the sort of thing Republicans love to hear. The last thing we need is to have this be about racism. Please--just drop it.
LOL. We have to stop meeting like this. Talk about energizing her base.
Energizing Palin's base is absolutely fine. What people need to realize is the extent to which Palin's base is a small minority of Americans, characterized by foul, extremist views.
Most Americans do not think it is appropriate to call native Americans of any kind "arctic Arabs". They certainly don't think it is appropriate for the governor of a state to speak that way. If this story can be confirmed, Palin is toast.
Oh, come on, Dan. It's the same base that beat the crap out of us in 2004. I don't know where you were, but I was the single Kerry poll watcher in Sheboygan, WI, surrounded by 6 of theirs from the countless churches around town on election day. If you think Palin's base is a small minority of Americans, you can take my place this November.
Sorry, I don't see it that way Billy. 2008 is not 2004. First the Republican base itself is contracting. The hate-filled wingnut voices that were in the ascendancy in 2004, and at the peak of their popularity then, are losing audience and respect. Even some of the evangelical component of the base has been alienated by the hateful, un-Christian rhetoric, and by their aversion to the all-out social and economic backwardness and selfishness that they don't share with their hard cultural right evangelical brothers. Some of them have been sheared off the base.
More importantly, the victorious Republican coalition of 2004 was not just made up of Republican base voters, but a large number of "security moms" and other war supporters from the middle of the road, convinced that only George Bush and Republicans could save us from terrorism and win the war against America's fearsome enemies. That coalition is disintegrating.
The new spirit in America that Obama has captured, and that many on both the left and right still don't get, is that Americans are increasingly experiencing "hate-exhaustion" and crave unifying figures and basic decency. The loud-and-vile camp is increasingly a fringe right and fringe left phenomenon.
It is true that Obama has to avoid being pigeon-holed as the "black candidate", pursuing an agenda exclusive to African-American interests and concerns. But whenever Obama stands up for *all* Americans, even Native Americans from a state far from his own state, he wins.
McCain knows this too. The Republicans spent three days feeding red meet to their base, but then McCain tried anxiously to take it all back and be Mr. Bipartisan Unity on the last night.
Shrill, bigoted denunciations of ethnic groups and cultural enemies are passé. They don't comport with the spirit of the times. If the public decides Palin is a bigot and a hater, she will be totally over. Even Sean Hannity will run away from her, and she'll be left with only the really hard core shock jocks of the extreme right.
Cripes sake! Such a picture this Billy Glad gives der, aina hey?....6 duck-hunting widders and a single hoity-toity Kohler Arts Center type sitting down by the poll station der...were they up for sheepshead?
Exactly, just like macaca.
NOT recommended. Maybe even Palin with her journalism degree would know this is B.S.
"it's the sort of thing Republicans love to hear. The last thing we need is to have this be about racism. Please--just drop it."
Why are we so scared of Republicans? If the tables were turned with this quote, they would wrecklessly crow about it all over the place.
And yes, this may tbe thing that base Repubs like to hear, but they are the ONLY ones. Palin already has them.
I live in a small Republican town, and my occupation has me hanging out with a lot of top professional businesspeople and politicians of Republican leaning. This kind of statement attributed to Palin is in NO WAY out of the ordinary. Maybe it needs more sourcing, but I do not understand the fear here.
NO way this sort of sourcing can be supported. People are trading in garbage. If there's better evidence than this, then fine.
Not Rec'd. AGAIN.
Unsubstantiated. I'm generously recommending more solid posts to contribute to get this off the list.
the single Kerry poll watcher in Sheboygan, WI, surrounded by 6 of theirs from the countless churches around town on election day
Cripes sake! Such a picture this Billy Glad gives der, aina hey?....6 duck-hunting widders and a single hoity-toity Kohler Arts Center type sitting down by the poll station der...were they up for sheepshead?
Wow! How to make this go viral?
Rec'd and hope it makes the list.
September 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I emailed this info directly to Josh's email.
September 6, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
This rumor is false and was "reported" by charley James. For more on Mr. James, see -
http://sambo-james.blogspot.com/
September 6, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
This would certainly mean the end of Palin's VP hopes if true.
I just want to see additional confirmation before getting all too excited about it.
September 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having read the original post at the LA Progressive, this interesting and worth chasing down more sources willing to go on the record.
The thing to note is that if something like this was said once, it was said more than once. It's a matter of finding the past act that corroborates the current assertion.
The LA Progressive, unfortunately does not look as credible as it could. Although, who knows who they know where....
September 6, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I will withhold comment on this until it is proven to be fact. I hate these damn rumors if they are lies.
September 5, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I read that story yesterday. The sourcing would have to put on a few pounds just to be considered "lightweight". With no recording, it needs lots and lots of eyewitnesses - who were willing to go on record with their full names - to make it even mildly believable.
One other thing about the story that doesn't make sense: there's an unsourced allegation that she slurs Eskimos. Isn't Todd Palin part Eskimo?
We've got enough fully documented ammo against Palin. We don't need to descend into the Republican quagmire of innuendo, twisted half-truths and outright smears.
September 6, 2008 7:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I put it up in one of my comments last night, but I think it needs some more information to be credible.
That said, it seems that being from a small town and still having quite a lot of sway there, people are afraid of this woman.
That gives it, to me, a little bit of credibility.
But it needs more. And I don't think too many people are willing to put their lives on the line. Government with a vendetta can be ugly for citizens.
September 6, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sort of half-assed rumor mongering is garbage. Quite aside from the impropriety of spreading this sort of hearsay, it will not hurt Palin but help her. Without a hell of a lot more evidence than is being shown here, she will look like the injured party when the dust settles on this and will deliberately conflate all of the legit criticisms of her with this baseless smear. Please cut this nonsense out unless you are deliberately trying to get McCain elected.
September 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is crap. Don't spread it around. It's just simply not credible, and even if it was credible, it's the sort of thing Republicans love to hear. The last thing we need is to have this be about racism. Please--just drop it.
September 6, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. We have to stop meeting like this. Talk about energizing her base.
September 6, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Energizing Palin's base is absolutely fine. What people need to realize is the extent to which Palin's base is a small minority of Americans, characterized by foul, extremist views.
Most Americans do not think it is appropriate to call native Americans of any kind "arctic Arabs". They certainly don't think it is appropriate for the governor of a state to speak that way. If this story can be confirmed, Palin is toast.
September 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come on, Dan. It's the same base that beat the crap out of us in 2004. I don't know where you were, but I was the single Kerry poll watcher in Sheboygan, WI, surrounded by 6 of theirs from the countless churches around town on election day. If you think Palin's base is a small minority of Americans, you can take my place this November.
September 6, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I don't see it that way Billy. 2008 is not 2004. First the Republican base itself is contracting. The hate-filled wingnut voices that were in the ascendancy in 2004, and at the peak of their popularity then, are losing audience and respect. Even some of the evangelical component of the base has been alienated by the hateful, un-Christian rhetoric, and by their aversion to the all-out social and economic backwardness and selfishness that they don't share with their hard cultural right evangelical brothers. Some of them have been sheared off the base.
More importantly, the victorious Republican coalition of 2004 was not just made up of Republican base voters, but a large number of "security moms" and other war supporters from the middle of the road, convinced that only George Bush and Republicans could save us from terrorism and win the war against America's fearsome enemies. That coalition is disintegrating.
The new spirit in America that Obama has captured, and that many on both the left and right still don't get, is that Americans are increasingly experiencing "hate-exhaustion" and crave unifying figures and basic decency. The loud-and-vile camp is increasingly a fringe right and fringe left phenomenon.
It is true that Obama has to avoid being pigeon-holed as the "black candidate", pursuing an agenda exclusive to African-American interests and concerns. But whenever Obama stands up for *all* Americans, even Native Americans from a state far from his own state, he wins.
McCain knows this too. The Republicans spent three days feeding red meet to their base, but then McCain tried anxiously to take it all back and be Mr. Bipartisan Unity on the last night.
Shrill, bigoted denunciations of ethnic groups and cultural enemies are passé. They don't comport with the spirit of the times. If the public decides Palin is a bigot and a hater, she will be totally over. Even Sean Hannity will run away from her, and she'll be left with only the really hard core shock jocks of the extreme right.
September 6, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cripes sake! Such a picture this Billy Glad gives der, aina hey?....6 duck-hunting widders and a single hoity-toity Kohler Arts Center type sitting down by the poll station der...were they up for sheepshead?
September 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, just like macaca.
September 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
NOT recommended. Maybe even Palin with her journalism degree would know this is B.S.
September 6, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
"it's the sort of thing Republicans love to hear. The last thing we need is to have this be about racism. Please--just drop it."
Why are we so scared of Republicans? If the tables were turned with this quote, they would wrecklessly crow about it all over the place.
And yes, this may tbe thing that base Repubs like to hear, but they are the ONLY ones. Palin already has them.
I live in a small Republican town, and my occupation has me hanging out with a lot of top professional businesspeople and politicians of Republican leaning. This kind of statement attributed to Palin is in NO WAY out of the ordinary. Maybe it needs more sourcing, but I do not understand the fear here.
September 6, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO way this sort of sourcing can be supported. People are trading in garbage. If there's better evidence than this, then fine.
Not Rec'd. AGAIN.
September 6, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unsubstantiated. I'm generously recommending more solid posts to contribute to get this off the list.
September 6, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
the single Kerry poll watcher in Sheboygan, WI, surrounded by 6 of theirs from the countless churches around town on election day
Cripes sake! Such a picture this Billy Glad gives der, aina hey?....6 duck-hunting widders and a single hoity-toity Kohler Arts Center type sitting down by the poll station der...were they up for sheepshead?
September 6, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink