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Shame On Pelosi - And (some) Democrats


In mythology the "Harpy" was a winged death spirit which resembled an eagle with a human head.  Seen in 19th century wood carvings, this tusked beast was known to roam the countryside snatching food.  (check out the film Jason and the Argonauts, great example).  And the moment that Bush created this bailout scheme, Pelosi curled her little talons around it and carried it off to Congress.

I'm absolutely ashamed of this party right now.  Democrats.  Yes, you!  Here is a bill, another classic piece of George W. Bush garbage which the vast majority of Americans, Democrat and Republican, see as being Iraq in the form of a bailout bill, and she polishes it, adds a little spit-shine, and suddenly we're supposed to admire her support of it because Democrats spent a few days adding some basic common-sense provisions to it?

Progressives should not be supporting this bill.  They should be outraged that this party would even consider signing their names to it.  But because this is an election year, and because it gives this absolutely useless Democratic congress an opportunity to appear as if they got something accomplished, Democrats are supposed to suddenly support it because it will make Republicans look bad?

I'm glad the Republicans smacked this down.  I'm glad that most free-thinking Democrats still don't support it.  I'm proud that the American people are finally wise enough, after 8 years of being sheep-herded into hasty decisions with lies, have finally come together and told their leaders that they won't be scared into believing that 2+2=5.  We have back bone and we won't be intimidated by talking heads and economic terrorism.

I'm a voter first and a Democrat second.  And it's absolutely SHAMEFUL the amount of spin that the Democratic party has put on this bailout to better themselves.  It's shameful that at the end of this president's term, one of the worst in our history, that they would side with him against their own constituents, and it's shameful that the party would, after having failed on everything from Iraq to Children's Health Care, would ask us to co-sign this pack of lies with our support.

Any Democrat that follows the lead of this harpy as she attempts to help the President snatch this one does not have my support.

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If you were any more naive, you'd need full time parental supervision. Why not try to understand what's going on in the capital markets before you spew this sort of inane, simpleminded garbage?

If you were any more of a tool I would be using you to hang pictures on my wall. I could easily see a person like you five years ago lecturing somebody like me on how Saddam has those weapons and how I just don't understand the global reach of terrorism.

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What. Ever.

good point.

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By the way, it's completely moronic to compare this situation to the situation that preceded the Iraq invasion. I've got the impression you're one of those paranoid leftie dipshits who calls Bush "Shrub" and worries that Cheney might declare martial law before November and take over the world. Correct me if I'm wrong. In case you're interested (and I know you're not), I not only opposed the invasion of Iraq, I opposed the invasion of Afghanistan as well. I'm not at all happy about this bailout. But to claim that this is a "fight the power" moment in history is just pathetically naive and ill-informed. If the capital markets remain frozen (which they will if they don't get this desperately-needed injection of cash) you, my clueless friend, will regret the day you said a word about it. Do you understand what a frozen credit market means? Do you have the SLIGHTEST CLUE what it means when financial institutions refuse to lend each other money? No. You don't.

your banter speaks volumes about you. go back to reading Dawkins you sociopath.

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Dude, all you do is quote from articles and call people opposed to the bailout idiots.

Seriously dude, you need to move past the name calling and put forward some cogent arguments.

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Oh, that was meant to be a reply to hrebendorf.

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With who? And what would be the point? If the author of this post (or you) had put forth an intelligent argument, I would have replied in kind. But seriously, what's the point? This post says nothing. It's just mindless spew.

Please, Professor. If this post is not worth your time then your incredible economic insights would be better served elsewhere. Please, don't let us waste anymore of your precious time. Get back to coaching Palin for her debate.

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Hey, YOU'RE the one who posted this idiotic garbage on a public message board. If you wanted praise, you should have sent it to your Mom in an email. Perhaps you should go somewhere fun and share a pitcher of your favorite microbrew with your sycophantic friends. You can all get drunk and spend the evening agreeing with each other.

The stock market lost 1.2 trillion dollars after the bailout failed yesterday. That may not mean much to you, but millions of Americans just lost their life savings. Get an education, alright? Your simpleminded views on the economy plus $2.25 will get you a latte at Starbucks.

Just listen to you go. I'll summarize in this format:

ME: This bailout is bullshit.

YOU: Yabba dabba doo! Look at me! You obviously...blah blah blah...capital gains...bippity boppity...

ME: Yeah, thanks.

YOU: But I'm not done yet...rama-lama-ding dong...i don't know you but obviously...read in Time magazine...rails on with ten minutes of bitterness...

ME: Uh, thanks guy. Go back to thinking you're better than everybody.

YOU: Homina! Homina! Homina!

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Yabba dabba doo! Look at me! You obviously...blah blah blah...capital gains...bippity boppity...

Precisely. You have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. You couldn't tell the difference between a capital gain and capital market if you had to. And yet you post this moronic drivel.

It comes down to fundamentally two points.

1: The bailout deal is a terrible bill that will basically mortgage the USA in order to stabilize the financial markets and convince the large financiers (greedy bastards that they are) to allow their vast sums of money to be leveraged by the fat pigs of the great money trough of Wall Street.

However:

2: If the large financiers do not dump money into the trough and instead decide to store it in a gigantic Scrooge McDuck-esque money bin and ride out the financial crisis on the French Riviera, then the banks run out of money, cannot honor withdrawls and can't even borrow from each other (as they all suffer from the same liquidity issue) as two large American banks have already succumbed. As a capitalist society lives on capital (as though it were blood in their veins) unemployment will soar and vast numbers of people will lose their jobs.

The financiers will be fine either way. If the economy implodes they can buy everything up for fire-sale prices once the smoke clears, and if it doesn't they continue to get richer the conventional way. Short of guillotining the lot of them, there's not much you can do to "punish" them, though there is lots you can do to punish yourself.

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Let me clarify one point for you. This isn't about Wall Street vs. Main Street, and shame on Barack Obama and John McCain for framing it that way. At this point, Wall Street investors are victims of this crisis just like the rest of us. This is about fucked-up financial instruments that are so complex and so removed from their source that financial institutions had to hire teams of physicists and mathematicians to understand what was going on. And when those experts threw up their hands and said, "Sorry--we're lost," the entire credit market stalled out and hit a brick wall. Because these banks literally couldn't determine the value of the assets they were holding. No one can.

If you're a businessperson, frozen credit markets are death. Literally. It means that, for most businesses (particularly small businesses), in 60-90 days there's a better than 50% chance you'll be out of business. Because 60-90 days is the cash cushion most small businesses can afford to allow themselves. Beyond that, if you're successful, you're in deep trouble. And ironically, the more successful you are the more at risk you are.

Imagine you own a small business that installs, let's say, kitchen cabinets. You're rolling along, doing just fine when suddenly you land a few really big accounts. The problem is, you haven't been paid yet for the jobs you've billed over the last 30-60 days. If everyone pays on time (which they won't), you'll have enough of a cash cushion to pay your employees and cover your business expenses for another month or two. But that won't help because you need thousands more to hire more workers and purchase more supplies in order to handle the business you've just picked up. In short, whether you're prepared to or not, you need to expand. But no problem, right? You just borrow 50 or 60 grand from your bank to cover your expenses until the money comes in from the jobs you've already completed. Except that in the meantime, your bank has tightened their lending policies and raised their interest rates because of the crisis in the credit markets and because they're just as cash-strapped as you are because no one will lend them any money. And they won't lend to you because they're in trouble and you're now considered a risky borrower. So you hit a few other banks and they tell you the same thing. So what do you do? You run out of cash. And the day your business runs out of cash, that's the day your business is out of business. Period. It's really as simple as that.

On the day Lehman Brothers failed, 15,000 employees were turned out onto the streets. And they're not going to find jobs on Wall Street because there are no new jobs. So they'll move back to Massachusetts and Connecticut and Colorado and wherever and they'll try to sell their condos in NYC and no one will buy them because no one can afford to pay what they need to get. And in the meantime, thousands of small businesses all over the country will fail and the banks that helped keep them in business will fail as well. And YOU, my clueless friend, may very well be one of those who loses his job. And all your principled, idealistic stick-to-your-guns stubbornness won't change a thing. And when the economy finally crashes and you're unemployed and dozen eggs sells for 10 bucks at the grocery store, suddenly the stupidity of what you posted today will become glaringly obvious.

Get a clue.

hey, thanks a bunch for stopping by!

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I just took a look at your other posts to see if I could find anything worth reading. You post a lot, but you don't get a whole lot of recs, do you? Maybe people are trying to tell you something. Like STFU.

oh no, don't insult my "rec" count. that breaks my heart.

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Dean Baker said it very well:

While all right-thinking people might know we need the bailout, just about all right-thinking people don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.
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It is remarkable how the contemptuous comments that the elites have directed at the masses for opposing the bailout can be so much more accurately directed back at themselves. In fear and anger they have embraced a bailout that makes little sense in the context of the economic crisis facing the country. Rather than listening people who actually understand the economy (I doubt a single economist in the country believes that the bailout is the best way to help the economy) they have shouted down and shut out critics of the bailout and have been willing to spread all manner of outlandish scare stories to advance their case.

It's the typical facile cynicism that these people always use, and it's more of a statement about themselves than anything else. Everybody is dumb, but they're right and by god, they're out to save the world through lecture and condescension.

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Listen to yourself. And then tell yourself to go fuck yourself. OK?

Perfect example. Take this specimen for instance. When its intellectual sensibilities are challenged, the "snooty douche/closet furry" feels threatened. It lashes out at others. But to simply characterize it as over-confidence would be to simplify it. This creature, in the "genus psuedo-intellectualous" category does not lash out because it is arrogant. It lashes out because it feels the need to have its feelings of misplaced narcissism constantly validated. It becomes like an itch the creature continues to scratch. If you find yourself confronted by one of these things just give it a reassuring pat on the head or else it will never go away.

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You should feel honored that anyone at all is paying attention to your moronic nonsense.

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BTW, if the Fates were truly evil, this idiotic post of yours would get bumped to the top of the Recommended list. You should be thankful it's being ignored (just like the rest of your posts have been ignored), and you're being spared the public humiliation of having other people read this drivel.

Try posting something meaningful and intelligent sometime--you might discover some interesting conversation. Or, if you prefer inanity, just go back to DU where they'll welcome you like a long-lost son.

if "the Fates" were evil they'd force you out of your parent's basement, but that isn't happening anytime now soon, is it?

*yawn*

look it's been real interesting listening to your...what have you...I'm going to get some rest now, you keep stroking your awesome rec count, k buddy?

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"*yawn* look it's been real interesting listening to your...what have you..."

You damn yourself with words.

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PS: This overly long post has earned 2 recs so far. Have I been wasting my valuable time on a total loser? Is this the best you can do?

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