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Too Damn Deep in the big Muddy


The idea of universal healthcare comes and goes like a big sick elephant in the room. It’s a throwaway line for Obama, one in a series of things on his to-do list. Makes me long for you –know- who. 
No honest person can say that healthcare wouldn’t be tough, expensive and a nightmare to implement. But there are other dishonesties here. Let’s admit that many people who have health insurance don’t care about those who don’t. I know a guy who’s going for Nader. He wants to stop global warming. He has health insurance and a Prius. Let me put this another way. I don’t trust the Left to make this happen. Too many of them have health insurance. 
Never mind the obvious--that we end up paying for the uninsured anyway and many still go down and lose everything. But here’s the salient point: American industry can’t compete with countries that have factored healthcare into their economic and social structure for decades. The costs of healthcare adds an unmanageable amount to the bottom line for American industry. How can we compete with countries that have spread out that cost more evenly and sanely? 

The rarely spoken history also is that we’ve subsidized the healthcare systems of other nations through our military role in the world for sixty years. When Putin invades Georgia, that’s an issue for Europe not Sarah Palin. We’ve paid for economic stability in Asia for half a century. South Koreans have healthcare. So do the Japanese. The Chinese will get back to it if they’re smart. I’ll be unhappy when the Chinese take back that little island country we’ve paid for. But not unhappy enough to have a war about it—or let McCain or Sara play god with a gun in those once-famous Formosa Straights. Taiwan has a healthcare system by the way. 
Americans have been fooled on this defense issue for decades. Things can only change when the issue is shifted into misspent dollars. But patriotism can play into a solution. Even a 60’s left- leaner like me got tired of Germans complaining about Americans having too much land for military bases. OK. It was kind of fun to rebuild the world after the big one. Saved it from the Communists too, so they say. But it was expensive. 
If I’m sounding like a good old boy unfit for conversation at the ACLU luncheon, I’m getting through to you. The Left needs to change its tone. We need some of those good old boys and girls on our side. Let them keep their damn guns. Let’s settle for a plan for the gunshots.
Explain healthcare in the dollars we spend for other countries to have it. Throw down an American flag at the bottom line. And send a check to the ACLU anyway –if you have health insurance. 
Hey, Ike ! You were right about the military-industrial complex. Thanks for Normandy by the way.

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I figure we can at least depend on Obama to tackle those pre-existing condition clauses. After all, those were the ones he says his mom was worried about. Beyond that, he probably has other priorities.

My mistake. Should have voted for Hillary and worked for her. There was no way she would have let it go. She would have gone into the race with this issue tied up, and in some sense inevitable.

I think it helps to remind Obama on this. He's a bit of a wanderer at this point.

Kind of quiet in the old place. Bring your old picture back for day.
Get Desi to bring back his. We'll have a reunion. What would it take to have an old fashioned TPM marathon?

What would it take to have an old fashioned TPM marathon?

Hillary to run as a third party candidate? ;)

I was hoping that you'd miss my Hillary admission, Hilary. Life has its strange twists, no? Mistakes abound even from the purest of hearts. But it's fun to see the damn pics together.

Well, I'd like to think I'd be part of that old fashioned TPM-athon.

But yes, many twists and turns. Events unforeseen. Our mistakes make us as much as our successes, if not more so.

But my friend, it remains to be seen where this road is taking us just yet. Perhaps we are rounding the bend to something...

Better.

I'm all for serious universal health care (and most of the proposals the Dems have put on the table seem pretty weak tea), and maybe the "Wrap health care in the Flag" schtick will get some traction... but I'm not too sure. For starters, let's not be too glib on why those troops have been overseas - because they provided America with HUGE financial benefits. The detailed history of the US's role in making the $ a reserve currency... the control and strategic use of the World Bank/IMF... the practices of US-backed global corps... well, let's just say I'd argue the military investment has paid one hell or an ROR. e.g. While from 45-75 US military reach might may have (arguably) been part of a "generous" global approach, it's real hard to see the last 30 years as much more than placement for domestic purposes.

That said, I think Obama's not dumb on this. Health Care, on its own, hasn't won many elections for the Democrats. I DO believe both he - and Hillary and many others - would like it. The thing is gonna be... timing. You know, push it during a campaign and you're gonna scare the insurance industry, big Pharma, etc. But if the economy goes DOWN... and big big money's being thrown in to bail out Investment Banks... and millions of people aren't just losing their jobs and houses but HEALTH CARE too... and those manufacturing businesses are pushing to have this taken off their hands... then your hand is immeasurably strengthened.

So I guess I'm with Hilarym99 on this - this thing may be just around the bend. Or at least, this bend takes us closer to a place where it's possible.

Interesting points Q. I'm wondering how this AIG deal will affect the healthcare debate, if at all.

Here's a great talking point.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/16/new_studies_report_wide_dispar.html

Barack Obama and John McCain are both proposing more than $100 billion a year in spending for health care, but Obama's proposal would eventually cover more than 34 million of the roughly 47 million Americans currently without insurance, while McCain's would cover at best 5 million uninsured.

Health care for 29 million more people - hit him on healthcare AND effective spending.

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