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Obama should bring up Ayers



"There's a fine line between clever and stupid."

--Nigel, Spinal Tap




From a strategic perspective, I love the idea.

Yesterday, McCain said he'll bring Ayers up in the debate. Oh yeah? Bring it, old man -- I'll fire the first shot and force you to play defense.

Obama is best served by being as upfront as possible. What's there to hide? Ayers was man of the year in Chicago in 1997 and worked on a foundation with ties to Reagan. If you're discussing education reform in Chicago, it's necessary to include Bill Ayers -- the guy was working with the Mayor, for crying out loud.

That's it.

After that, McCain wouldn't touch the issue because it would require him to stand in front of Obama and indict his patriotism on national television. His campaign and vice president have far fewer problems sullying his straight-shootin' rep than he does.

There's an 800 pound gorilla in the room, and with McCain tipping his hand as to his intentions to point it out, Obama needs to go on the offensive because he has nothing to hide.

Obama should bring up Ayers.

After that, it's a good 80 or 85 minutes of issues on which Obama finally has home court advantage. If Obama takes a stand tomorrow night, it could go down as the most memorable moment of what has so far been a forgettable series of debates.


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I agree that it should be covered - factually, as you say. But if Obama is the one to do it, it should be at the very end of the debate. Let's see if McCain is going to have the nerve to walk bravely into what he must know by now is a well-set trap. -- And let him be anxious about how or when to do it - or what the effect will be if he doesn't while he's answering questions on other things. My fear is that Bob Schieffer will make it easy for him (McCain) and bring it up in a question.

I also hope that the John Lewis comment comes up, preferably from McCain. **Someone** needs to point out that Lewis wasn't calling them segregationists -- he was warning about VIOLENCE. The Civil Rights violence is America's historical example, and Lewis' standing to speak about it. The threat of violence could as well be there with a white candidate who was being accused of "palling around with terrorists" and other questionable, possible treasonous behavior. If Lewis had made the same comment in that situation, his meaning would have been very clear.

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It is appalling that McCain and cabal are able to get away with making statements that completely twist the words of Lewis into something they never were. The MSM is so complicit in these smears, who will hold them accountable?

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I respectfully disagree. I do not believe Obama should initiate conversation about Ayers. Ayers is not the economy. If McCain brings up Ayers, McCain loses. If McCain doesn't bring up Ayers, McCain loses. Obama's comments regarding Ayers should come ONLY by way of response.

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But it can come as a response to something impugning his patriotism or integrity -- as in, "You've talked a lot of shit lately, John..."

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Obama doesn't need to say a thing. The thing is pretty well delineated, in language we can all understand; Palin:"He Pals around with terrorists" McCain: "I'll whip his you-know-what!"

Obama: "Say it to my face"

And the debate is McCain's chance to do it. Obama doesn't need to open his mouth, and shouldn't. If his stance is that the Ayers connection is trivial, than there's no reason for him to bring it up if McCain doesn't. McCain, after all is the one who thinks the connection is significant enough to base ads around, and threaten Obama with exposure at the last debate. Obama should go through the debate like he's never heard of Ayers. Make McCain make good on his promise, that he can deliver a game-changing indictment via Ayers.

McCain is screwed.

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McCain simply not equipped with the requisite skills and moral courage to make an indictment to Obama's face. He will either look apathetic, or apoplectic. Has he got anything in between for a situation like this? Obama could make him dance like a puppet, and then roll over like a puppy.

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Has anyone identified the offenders? They could be PLANTS to smear McCain. And just remember, McCain cannot control what others do.

I believe it is very prudent that questions on background be put forward. Now is the time to do it! We do not know Obama. I like his persona, too, but we have to enter into this marriage with open eyes! After election will be too late!

The rhetoric called “HATE” needs to be displaced with the term “CONCERN” for our future! Obama has openly lied, changed positions, didn’t know his own convictions early-on having to wait and feel out the public and opponents, and seems to say what he thinks his audience wants to hear. “Words, only words.” We certainly cannot believe he was a member of that congregation for twenty years and did not know went on. Why are so many of his associates questionable? He has given no substantiated evidence of his background and activities. Where are lifelong friends who should be vouching for him? He seemingly is a wolf in sheepskin to those of us who haven’t joined the ban wagon, keeping their eyes open!

He supports abortion and is willing to kill his own grandchildren. He most likely will lead us to assisted deaths/suicides to relieve the country of other burdensome beings: old people, mental patients, disabled, who knows who. Perhaps you or your child who is in a comma from an accident! For the most important job in the world, how can you trust someone who openly defies moral right and would be refused by the Secret Service or the FBI with his questionable background?

Personally, I endorse McCain because he has displayed an upright position on issues, knew his own convictions from the beginning, and has loved beyond self for unnumbered, unknown others with great sacrifice. He adopted; not out of his need, but out of love, empathy, and caring for others, despite his own frailty and weaknesses. Obama has shown his love through his rhetoric. Words are easy.

Obama has fought dirty politics, too, but has had to go to the VP position to do it! Why? Because of McCain’s clean record and years of front-and-center profile in the country! Both men have smears of adultery. The only times I have heard McCain and his supporters called liars is in the name of “hate” which really should be termed “concern for our country.”

I dare to say that Chicago politics has taught Obama a lot of dirty; like “plants” in the opposing rallies to build negativism toward McCain. Obama certainly has had the budget to hire others to do his dirty work! Twenty years with Pastor Wright would have taught him to seed the term “hate” for the term “concern!” McCain has not had such exposure and is and always has been an upright candidate for the most important job in the world!

DECENCY IS THE ONLY WAY TO PROMOTE VIGOROUS SELF-ESTEEM, PEOPLE, AND COUNTRY! Keep your eyes open and be concerned!

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This is at least the 3rd post you've put this exact comment on...isn't that considered spam?

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Tryinghard -- I won't respond to most of your post because we are certainly all entitled to our opinions ... and to be treated decently.

As to the possiblity of the people who yell being plants, that is of course an explanation. But no one (certainly not I) is trying to blame McCain and Palin for what someone in the crowd says ... but for the tone they have created that makes those kinds of threats believeable and accepted by the rest of the crowd. I'm perfectly willing to believe that neither McCain nor Palin have heard the actual shouts or been clear enough about what was said to respond on the spot. They have intentionally, however, spoken repeatedly about Obama as "palling around with terrorists," saying that he lied about Ayres, stating outright that he's dangerous, etc., etc. They have encouraged their supporters to boo repeatedly; in fact their speeches have "boo lines" They are intentionally working up an atmosphere of personal dislike, disgust, and fear directed toward Barack Obama.

Compare that to how Obama and Biden have spoken of their opponents and be honest. It has *always* been with personal respect - always!

So if a fringe person' or even a plant were to should out "kill him" or something like that at an Obama or Biden rally, he would stand out as very atypical and contrary to the whole mood and tone of the event. ---- But if the same person does that at a McCain or Palin rally, the shouted threat fits in with the tone and is in fact a logical progression of the feelings that the candidates themselves are fomenting.

So it doesn't really matter if the person shouting is a plant ..... it's because of the way McCain and Palin are themselves acting that we can believe that kind of violent reaction is attributable to them. If they were behaving as national leaders should - treating their opponents with civility and respect and talking about the issues - no one would be holding them responsible.

So it's not the actions of someone attending the rally that is the problem; it's the actions of the candidates themselves.

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Compare that to how Obama and Biden have spoken of their opponents and be honest. It has *always* been with personal respect - always!
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McCain has run a negative campaign, Hillary ran a negative campaign, and Obama has run a negative campaign. But I have never seen any one sink as low as Obama did here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

That is just one of the many sleezy campaign tactics employed by Obama. I'd ask what you think and to be honest but I don't think you're capable of it. So let's just say we have strikingly different opinions about how much respect Obama has shown his opponents and leave it at that.

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If that is all you've got you have BIG problems with your argument. How can you even BEGIN to compare one to the other...Questioning tears, with inciting hate speech?

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Despite the fact that you believe I'm incapable of thinking, I will nevertheless share my opinion of your "damning" example. The original statement compared things that have been said by John McCain and Sarah Palin to things that have (or haven't) been said by Barack Obama or Joe Biden. That's quite clear in the sentence that you yourself quote: "Compare that to how Obama and Biden have spoken ....."

That's the whole point, Oceankat. I'm sorry you didn't understand. My objection is to the tone that is being set by the candidates THEMSELVES ... you know, the ones who want to be *leaders.*

There is nothing that someone in the position of Jesse Jackson, Jr. could possibly say that would set the tone of a campaign, or sway the emotions of a candidate's followers, with the same impact as something said by the candidate himself or herself. (And to be honest I doubt that even you think that is truly the low point of the entire 2-year campaign - if you're honest.)

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You misunderstood. I think you are incapable of being honest not incapable of thinking. But I do think we have finally found an area in which we are in total agreement. Neither of us think the other is being honest. I think you and maybe 60% of the posters here have no purpose other than to spin for Obama. If Obama ate a hamburger and got a glob of ketchup on the corner of his mouth you'd post about how attractive he looks with the glob, how it shows his connection with the common man, and how he showed a sense of balance in knowing that a hunk of lettuce between his teeth would be too much.

On the other hand, Elizabeth, in the midst of the Bosnia story I posted Hillary lied. And in the midst of the whitey tape story I posted that I doubted it existed and it seemed to me that this tape was being used to defame Obama with totally unverified stories that were unverifiable since the tape was never produced and most likely unproduceable. I also have not posted on the vast majority of threads attacking McCain because I cannot in good conscience defend him on those threads. Even though I'm quite capable of doing what you do so often here, creating clever spin.

I do believe the Jackson interview was the lowest point in the campaign. And I am absolutely sure that Obama sent him out to do it. I think Obama had a hand in everything that went on but there are two episodes in this campaign that were surely orchestrated at the highest levels, the Jackson interview and the Ferraro flap. The most delicate and difficult plays Obama made and he sent out his two top level surrogates to do it, Jackson and Axelrod. It was too sensitive to trust to a lower level surrogate. Either it was discussed, planned and implemented with his full knowledge or he's an incompetent leader who was so disconnected and unaware that he had no idea what the two highest level members of his staff were up to until after it happened.

I don't expect to convince you of that but just be aware that if you're going to play the "be honest" game you're going to pushback.

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I think Obama should announce that if he's elected, Ayers will be his secretary of education.

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We've been round and round and round this here. There's no doubt we disagree about Obama, about the way he ran his campaign, about the relevance of Ayers, Wright, and others, about Obama's bipartisanship, and about unity in the democratic party and this country. There's been dozens of posts and I think my argument in those dozens of posts was sufficient. I don't expect to change anyone's mind here. I just resent someone telling those who disagree to, "Be honest" like I and others haven't been fucking honest. You can take your fucking be honest and fucking shove it.

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comment reply to stillidealistic above

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Perhaps Obama can just thank John for trying to tone down the retoric at the outset of the debate. Would that neutralize/prevent John from making an attack later in the debate?

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